I've not seen this before. (how to rule)

[thetank]

I'm not sure what angle shooting is, sorry!

Angle shooting is what Americans (and consequently most poker literature) call pulling a stroke.

[madasahatstand]

whats a string bet? should i know this lingo? ive heard it said but dont know what it means

[AdamM]

same happens here. new players are jumped on for anything even slightly resembing a string bet

String betting is making more than one betting action, ie call and raise or making a raise then going back for more chips. putting in an over sized chip isnt actually a string bet but it is treated as a call. it is assumed that a player throwing a 500 chip in when the bet is 100 is waiting for 400 change.

[allym]

Rite-eee-oo! Cheers Tank!

[GlasgowBandit]

I think if any chips are pushed over the line then thats a bet!  I know in Glasgow this doesn't always stand.  But in key moments of tournaments you shouldn't be pushed into making a voiced declarationa s you could be given away info.  If you put you chips over the line IMO thats a bet!  If there has been a bet already made and you place your chips over the line without maing it clear that its a re-raise then that should be interpreted as a call.

Say for example that your in late position pre-flop unless you state raise by putting chips over I would say thats a call, if after the flop you move your chips in then thats a bet. 

I think there should be rules in place.  There are far too many things that come down to interpretation in Poker.  What annoys me is when things go the old timers way because thwy make a song and dance about things when they know t hey have been turned over and rather than admit to being out played they look for all sorts of reasons and excuses to get to see free cards.

[madasahatstand]

Say for example that your in late position pre-flop unless you state raise by putting chips over I would say thats a call, if after the flop you move your chips in then thats a bet. 

What annoys me is when things go the old timers way because thwy make a song and dance about things when they know t hey have been turned over and rather than admit to being out played they look for all sorts of reasons and excuses to get to see free cards.

on the first part of what you say,, i dont think it matters what stage of the game. the rule should be the same. i know what you are saying about more advantage after flop though

on the old timers bit, i think any player can be like this and not just old timers. what you think?

[GlasgowBandit]

Sure any player can be like this but in my experience its mostly old timers or general rseholes who act like this!

[fergus8]

i dont know but id say check is a bet of zero, and calling is matching the "bet", in this case a bet of zero.
as verbal stands before actions he said "call" so he matched the bet, so its checked out.
just a wild guess

[Alex B]

If he put some chips in while simultaneously saying "All in", the verbal declaration stands (before he has let go of the chips)

Similarly if someone moved the amount in for a call, while saying "raise", they are allowed to raise.

If someone said "check" while moving chips in, I would make them take back the bet.

Dropping a single oversize chip in a pot after the flop usual constitutes a bet/raise, but if he put an oversize chip in while saying "call" he would get change.

So, generally, the verbal declaration is the most important part.

So, if the verbal declaration stands, he calls the bet of zero and gets change. (Chips are returned)

BUT, since this is a beginner, if I was his opponent I would definitely ask him what his intention was, and urge the dealer to use common sense and let him act as he intended. Any good player should realise the importance of offering a friendly approachable game to beginners and this should be the defining factor.

[thetank]

Calls the bet of zero and gets change. Hmmm.

Someone can't say "I bet" and then announce that the bet is zero. (ie a check)They are held to betting at least one big blind. A check should not be treated as a bet of zero IMO.