sick to death of crypto ie moan

[JoeStrummer]

Ok this is a moan...........

I am sick to the back teeth of the out draws that im getting on Billy Hills, ok I know, I know im not one of the fixed brigade its just recently over the last few months I just cant seem to win anything at all. i play mainly in the £2, £5 and £10 multi table tournies, i play tight controlled poker, progress just below the money and just cant seem to do anything at all, its like im feeling cursed nothing hitting at all. for instance lastnight level 11, im on the button, evryone folds i have:

  .

I call

SB and BB call

flop

 

SB, BB check

I raise half my stack of 3500

SB, BB call


Turn

 

SB, BB Check

I go all in

SB, BB both Call


River 


SB turns over 

BB turns over 

Unreal............

Tonight 10 minutes prior to posting this:

------HAND 1------
Game #1865091504: Hold'em NL (150/300) - 2006/03/31 - 22:54:57 (UK)
Table "Tourney 2259530 - 7" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: bruceyboy (8978 in chips)
Seat 2: gabr63 (20010 in chips)
Seat 3: _sodapop_ (4675 in chips)
Seat 4: RICIAR (3165 in chips)
Seat 5: gazomwe (3560 in chips)
Seat 6: Wigwam002 (5450 in chips)
Seat 7: Mrpalm (3915 in chips)
Seat 9: Mmachine (12335 in chips)
Seat 10: Jarva1 (7968 in chips)
_sodapop_: posts the ante 25
RICIAR: posts the ante 25
gazomwe: posts the ante 25
Wigwam002: posts the ante 25
Mrpalm: posts the ante 25
Mmachine: posts the ante 25
Jarva1: posts the ante 25
bruceyboy: posts the ante 25
gabr63: posts the ante 25
_sodapop_: posts small blind 150
RICIAR: posts big blind 300
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to _sodapop_ [ ]
gazomwe: folds
Wigwam002: folds
Mrpalm: folds
Mmachine: folds
Jarva1: folds
bruceyboy: calls 300
gabr63: calls 300
_sodapop_: calls 150
RICIAR: checks
----- FLOP ----- [ ]
_sodapop_: checks
RICIAR: checks
bruceyboy: bets 300
gabr63: folds
_sodapop_: calls 300
RICIAR: calls 300
----- TURN ----- [ ][]
_sodapop_: checks
RICIAR: checks
bruceyboy: checks
----- RIVER ----- [ ][]
_sodapop_: bets 300
RICIAR: raises to 1500
bruceyboy: folds
_sodapop_: raises to 4050 and is all-in
RICIAR: is all-in 1040
Returned uncalled bets 1,510 to _sodapop_
----- SHOW DOWN -----
_sodapop_: shows [ ] (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
RICIAR: shows [ ] (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
RICIAR collects 7405 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 7405 Main pot 7405 Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: bruceyboy folded on the River
Seat 2: gabr63 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: _sodapop_ (small blind) showed [ ] and lost
Seat 4: RICIAR (big blind) showed [ ] and won (7405) with Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high
Seat 5: gazomwe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Wigwam002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Mrpalm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mmachine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Jarva1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I need a change. Please reccomend a new site before I lose it totally!!!!!!!!!

[totalise]

I need a change. Please reccomend a new site before I lose it totally!!!!!!!!!

http://www.tiddlywinks.org/

[Nem]

I need a change. Please reccomend a new site before I lose it totally!!!!!!!!!

http://www.tiddlywinks.org/

LOL

[Nem]

Play on Pokerstars Joe.

[tikay]

Sadly, bad "form" is bad form, changing or blaming sites won't help.

Take a break man, or persevere, but it's nowt to do with Crypto, Boss, Tribeca, Stars or Party, bad luck just happens to all of us, & it comes in runs.

Hang in there man!

[AdamM]

the online equivalent of "change the cards please" and we know how you feel about that Tikay

[Karabiner]

At present we have 2899 members, paying the 50p to each of them for a bad beat story can get expensive.

As someone I know told me about bad beats, half the people don't care and the other half are happy.

 

[tikay]

the online equivalent of "change the cards please" and we know how you feel about that Tikay

Exactly Adam. Peeps are fooling themselvs if they think changing the Deck, or the online Card-Room will help - it just wont.

But I do feel for Strummer. Poor "form" is horrible, a real character tester. Try to think of what it will be like when it changes - and it WILL change. My "form" has been awesomely good this wek, almost TOO good. I relish a struggle against the odds, with no hands, no real material to work with, having to duck & dive to survive. This week it's been almost too easy, my luck has been embarassingly good. Remember that Strummer, your turn will come.

[I, Zimbra]

As someone I know told me about bad beats, half the people don't care and the other half are happy.

I usually look on posting bad beats as catharsis... it's not nearly as important to me whether everyone is reading the posts and sympathising about it, or whether they think I'm a jerk and are hating my guts (or just yawning, or flipping past the post without really reading the details.)

It just feels good to have a moan, get it off your chest - and then leap back into battle with the ole axe-a-swinging.

Wishing Mr. Strummer  of course!!!

[AdamM]

i know what you mean Tikay. I had a game at Notts a couple of weeks ago. I bubbled but, far from being disappointed I was dead pleased with myself. I went the whole night without seeing a single pocket pair or an ace bigger than A10. I had to fight for every single chip the whole night. I also turned down a saver for 11th when I had 1.5 x BB left and my nearest rival had 5xBB. that's bought me some equity when i get to the bubble chip leader.

in some ways a game like that is as rewarding as being hit in the face with the deck. that being said, a run of cards wouldnt go amiss if the poker gods are listening

[totalise]

the online equivalent of "change the cards please" and we know how you feel about that Tikay

Exactly Adam. Peeps are fooling themselvs if they think changing the Deck, or the online Card-Room will help - it just wont.

thats not strictly true.

Once people have the thoughts impregnated in their head that x site is rigged, it negatively impacts their game (whether they admit it or not). They start playing terribly.. overplaying/underplaying hands.. calling when they should be folding, raising when they should be calling, zigging when they should be zagging, and losing when they should be winning.

Its not the sites fault obviously, but its the negative connotations that are synonymous with their perception of the site.

You see people say all the time "man, I couldn't win on billy hills, but now I changed to X site, I started winning again".. because their slate is clean, the demons are gone, and they just play poker.

A similar analogy is a golfer that holes put for 20 years with the same putter, but then changes. The putter hasn't changed, but their confidence has.

Of course, if you are a professional/seasoned player, moving sites probably wont alter your perception at all, but then in the same logic you wont be thinking the sites are rigged in the first place.

As always, this assurance comes with experience.. but in the interim, changing sites can certainly do your game some good. At the least, it cant do it any harm.

[tikay]

Nice Post totalise, & I take your point - but I don't agree.

To do OK at Poker, you need to keep logic near the front of your mind. If one REALLY thinks a cardroom is rigging the deal, well, that's not really logical, in my opinion.

It's all about - imho - dealing with adversity, handling the breaks when they go against you hand after hand, comp after comp. If you allow your mind to think there is some sort of conspiracy against you - (think about it - how does the site single YOU out for bad treatment?), then that is the real root cause of the players frustration.

They have to learn to accept that luck plays a huge - MASSIVE - part in poker. It'll be tough to handle bad "form" until they do.

So the logic that says the guy plays bad because he has lost confience in the site is, imo, flawed. He needs to go back a step further - & learn to accept that bad form happens, it just does, & there is nothing or nobody to blame.

If you want to remove luck, then Chess is a better option.

Luck plays a huge part in Poker - for good, & for bad. EXACTLY EQUALLY.

Nothing could convince me that, over the longer term, we do not all enjoy roughly the same amount of good & bad luck. We just need to learn how to handle the swings.

What was that tidy little poem by, I think Kipling? - "If".......

[byronkincaid]

Nothing could convince me that, over the longer term, we do not all enjoy roughly the same amount of good & bad luck

Can you estimate how many MTT's we need to play for all our luck to be roughly the same please tikay?

[tikay]

Nothing could convince me that, over the longer term, we do not all enjoy roughly the same amount of good & bad luck

Can you estimate how many MTT's we need to play for all our luck to be roughly the same please tikay?

Nope!

 I just know that over the longer term, it HAS to be equally good & bad. Toss a coin a million times, & it will, within a few %, be equal heads & tails. Ditto a thousand times, or a hundred times. The variance DOES increase with a lower sample. Which is "form".

Nothing is more certain. Ghosts don't exist, & good/bad luck is dished out equally.

[totalise]

Tikay,

I just typed out a long response and it was just re-iterating the point I made previously, so we will leave it at that.... with the last comment i have being that if a player wont accept that luck is equal, and the site is rigged, moving sites is much more preferable then him playing there and playing badly.

of course, if he wont accept that luck is even, he wont be a succesful poker player, but for recreational players all around the world, that isn't a bad thing.

If is a great poem though

Byron,

My friend plays about 1,500 tourneys a year online, and each year we analyse his stats, and he is winning with his hands when he should be winning, and losing when he should be losing.. so the win/loss percentages are almost exactly aligned to what it should be.. not sure how useful (if at all) that is, but it gives an indication at least.