whats a guy got to do to win a game of poker???

[jammer]

LOL, no need squire - your first quote that you shouldnt let monkeys near calculators is actually a very valid one. It also stretches further to all items of an electronic nature as well!! 

it just proves the fact that if you give enough monkey's enough calculators.... er... something to do with shakespeare... er... and maybe spelling 'boobies' upside down in numbers and finding it hysterical. Er... not sure where I'm going with this....

[Bongo]

I think the ending is "thanks to the Internet we know it's not true"

[thetank]

If you put a thousand monkeys in a room with a thousand type writers for a thousand years, at some point most of them will write an article about the "Poker Boom" and all about it being down to Chris Moneymaker, the WPT and James McManus's Positevely Fifth Street.

[dan]

Ifm - win that seat man. I can't wait to bust you. PLEASE be on my table!

Seriously it'd be fun if you were there Saturday, loads of blondes lined up, Jen & snoops, Red, Old Karabiner, Chunky Mick, etc, & it's a lovely comp. 425 are lined up, so go win that seat, all you blondes.

xx

thanks alot for your support tikay.

not a mention of go win that seat dan just ifm.

thanks boss

[The Baron]

Hmm....

As much as I'm sure Adam is grateful for the constructive critisism I would guess all of us have been in his shoes at one point and needed to just get it off our chests. I agree with what everyone has said - completely.

How about some encouragement too though eh?

From what I can tell he was pretty unlucky. If he keeps putting his chips into play in spots like these he wont go far wrong in the long run.

[Josh]

I'm afraid I dont believe in there being any balance to it. there's no 'law of averages' and no Karma, fate, justice or fairness involved. if my last 9 pairs of aces held up, my 10th is no more less likely to win.

No, the 10th is no more less likely to win...you're right there...the same way if you flip a coin and it's heads, it's still equally likely to be heads or tails next coin toss.
However... in the long-run your aces, will hold up against kings... whatever the odds are (84 out of 100 times?...or more appropriately 84 million/billion/excessive unit  out of every 100 million/billion/excessive unit)...hense the law of averages.

[AdamM]

exactly, but if a poker player gets dealt aces 5 times in a night and they win the first four times, then on the fifth time he gets them cracked and says "ah well, they won the last four times, I can't expect them to win a fifth" he's wrong. he can still expect them to win that time. because you cant apply it to any single occurance it's not realy a law as such.

also AAvKK and AAv66 are as near as damn it the same % however I KK will beat AA a lot more than 66 will because the money will go all in less often with 6,6 so AA v a lower pair is virtually impossible to work out because it implys the money goes in preflop and it very often wont

[ifm]

Ifm - win that seat man. I can't wait to bust you. PLEASE be on my table!

Seriously it'd be fun if you were there Saturday, loads of blondes lined up, Jen & snoops, Red, Old Karabiner, Chunky Mick, etc, & it's a lovely comp. 425 are lined up, so go win that seat, all you blondes.

xx

thanks alot for your support tikay.

not a mention of go win that seat dan just ifm.

thanks boss

Unfortunately Dan after the last sat you won a seat in you need to play another 8,999,456 before you will win another.............
Tikay........bring it on son

[The Baron]

Son? Is he having a laugh? 

[tikay]

Therefore if you walk AA into KK three times you will be out of the tourney half the time - sure it looks like a terrible beat but if you analyze it properly your tournament exit is more likely to happen than you think.

I think this is a cracking point and what most players (including myself) get completely wrong.

The pain is gonna come. Statistically that loss against the odds is going to happen. The trick is to have enough chips that you're not knocked out. If your a predictable, tight, straight down the line 'I'm only gonna play when I'm ahead' type of player, how often are you going to have that many chips to absorb it? This is what I'm personally trying to address in my game at the moment and maybe its worth considering too Adam.

Jammer hits the nail on the head.

It's operating with small stacks - as I used to all the time (hence all those damn bubbles!) - that causes the prob, any accident is fatal, whereas a deep-stack player can withstand the odd beat here & there, & can in fact make "iffy" calls, as it will not bust him if he loses the hand.

I am trying to rectify that "leak" in my game, hence I have started busting out a lot earlier than was previously the case, but it is the right course I think. It's not working for me Live yet, as I don't play as much Live as I would like to, but I will persist. But it's deffo working for me in online MTT's, where I am having a super run, mainly, I think, because I have recognized the "short-stack" problem.

Weird game this - most peeps are unable to take on board new ideas, they have "their" game, & blindly stick with it, through thick & thin.

But I look at The Camels, & Thewys & J P Kellys, always caked up early in comps, & I think HOW? They get, over time, the same cards as me, the same number of beats as me (& everyone else - we all get the same), but they keep making big Finals. So, it's out with the old, in with the new.

And as to folks making so-called "bad" calls against me - I LOVE IT. OK, they hit now & then, but over time I am guaranteed to come out on top,. So keep those bad calls coming please, I love 'em. Luckily, I'm a "glass half-full" man, so I don';t give a monkeys if someone puts a beat on me - I only get upset if I make a bad play.

And before some Muppet says it, yes, if I can learn new tricks at MY age.....

PS - Sorry Dan! Trying to Post & play at same time, I miissed that one. OK, BE ON MY TABLE. Gotta go, 6 left in the Laddies $250 Freeze, 5 get paid......

[tikay]

Son? Is he having a laugh? 

Behave.....

[ifm]

Similar to those lines from Tikay (son......of the oldest man on earth) my game changed quite a bit when a wise soul said to me:-

"you have to put yourself in a position to outdraw people"

Now, i think there are many ways to interpret that sentence but i think it helped me immensely in gathering chips (or busting fairly early).
The wise soul?
Flushy

[tikay]

Similar to those lines from Tikay (son......of the oldest man on earth) my game changed quite a bit when a wise soul said to me:-

"you have to put yourself in a position to outdraw people"

Now, i think there are many ways to interpret that sentence but i think it helped me immensely in gathering chips (or busting fairly early).
The wise soul?
Flushy

Thewy  - who gets by - lives by that mantra. Dad.

Flushy - wise = oxymoron. Or just moron?

[Royal Flush]

only time I ever outdraw people is when they don't bet enough with big pairs and I'm allowed to sneak in with smaller pairs and hit a set. similarly early comp if I'm allowed to see cheap flops with suited aces I may do someone with a bigger ace.

From what I can tell he was pretty unlucky. If he keeps putting his chips into play in spots like these he wont go far wrong in the long run.

Seems like Tikay and IFM touched on it before i caould get to it but the basic point is in tournaments if you only get your money in when you are ahead you are almost certainley a losing player. Strange as it sounds, perfect for cash games yes, but in a comp if you are not outdrawing anyone you are playing far too tight.

Now obviously i dont mean just a blind panic all in with 23 lets get lucky. I mean if we are playing a comp well and are getting some cards we should be able to build a stack that is beyond average, this gets us into a position where we can become a lot more creative with out pre flop hand selection. Now occasionaly we will be played back on, either pre or post flop, and we will be getting a correct price to call against our oppo's range. This of course means occasionaly we will be making really bad calls. (my most recent one being in Brighton where i had 70k when the average was about 15-20k, i raised with and then got a short stack move in behind, given i was getting 2.5-1 i called. Turns out he had TT!! Never mind i hit the Q7J57 board pretty well, does that mean i played badly? No i dont think so i was playing my stack hard with a good table image and got unlucky to be in that position, but hey i got out of it! I adapted my play after with the table thinking i was a loon and i managed to get AK to call all in on a T hi board thinking i was at it again, however i had AA.....

There is also the regular occurance where with a big stack you might be seeing a lot of flops after medium stacks have raised. You may then asses against your opponets range that you can go over the top of his continuation bet and win the pot, occasionly you will be wrong and then sometimes you will outdraw. None of these plays are muppety/bad/lucky its all about the wider picture.

If i played for a whole day and didnt outdraw someone i would be disapointed with how i have played.....

[Royal Flush]

Flushy - wise = oxymoron. Or just moron?

Right thats it HU game old man!