$1-$2 NL cash hand

[SupaMonkey]

Is it such a bad idea to fold on the flop/turn? I say this purely because you don't know how this guy has been playing and he is giving you the opportunity to see his cards. Then you can write lots of things about him in your player notes and then spend the next few hours taking your money back.

[Royal Flush]

Ok i decided to lead out.....

[Apr 21 19:05:22] : Flush Royal bet $25
[Apr 21 19:05:25] : kingspr called $25
[Apr 21 19:05:31] : four40 called $25 and raised $100

I Insta-folded here, i felt he could only have a set. (well ok 2 seconds! i aint that quick at clicking!)

[Apr 21 19:05:33] : Flush Royal folded.
[Apr 21 19:05:48] : kingspr has 10 seconds to respond.
[Apr 21 19:05:58] : kingspr did not respond and is folded
[Apr 21 19:05:59] : Showdown!

Well there was an all in player so i got to see his hand...what has it?

[sharpy]

  straight? or possibly Q,K

[SupaMonkey]

4-7?

[NoflopsHomer]

33

[Royal Flush]

And of course what about the river play?

Bet out and fold? Check call? Check raise?

[The Baron]

Sorry I missed a stage - I also would check call the river, without doubt.

My money would be set, Q7 or QK.

Check-call, for the simple reason that there are better spots to put your $$ in with.


(Again I think the decisive point in this hand is the flop, where you must find out where you are.)

[Bongo]

Check call.

If you lead out a reraise is too scary and less likely to be a bluff than if you let him bet after your check.

I don't think a worse hand will call if you check raise (maybe something like Q7 or K7 if he's made 2 pair on the end??) and a better hand isn't going to pass...

[TightEnd]

I think you folded the winning hand


did he have Qx?


the action on the river shows why check call was the lowest risk option...you can fold a lot of winning hands to a scary river re-raise

[Royal Flush]

Well i figured he can only raise me with a set on the end so if i bet 25 i get out cheaper than if he fires out $50 say and i have to call. I was hoping i had outdrawn AQ/Qx for 2 pair.

He had a set of 7's as it happened.

Is this a difficult spot to avoid losing money?

[sharpy]

   I don't think you could avoid losing money here,but like tightend and co said you could have lost a little less.

  I would have propably lost just as much if not more having played four40 before and then set about amending my notes on him lol...seems to have learnt to limp with pocket pairs since I last played him.

  One more thing Flushie four40 use to have a habit of getting overconfident and would then give back his winnings plus more on occasion.If you try trapping with a very strong hand he will pay you most times if he thinks he can push you of a hand.By folding on this occasion I think you have set this up for the future.

[Raindogs]

He min raised on the flop and then bet $16 into a $73 pot on the turn against 2 live opponents.  Either the guy doesen't know what he is doing or he has a set and is trying to suck you in.  I think you have to lead out on the turn to see where you are, otherwise check fold.  Why would he min raise on the flop if he had a Q ?  If he wanted to thin the field or find out where he was he would have made a much bigger bet. 

It is tempting to see your opponent as an idiot but most players understand that a min raise in a pot that size will be called.  Unless you are very sure of your opponent I would be very suspicious of such weak betting.  He could have an AQ but you would expect a raise pre flop.  If he had a 56 for a gutshot his play does not make sense as his raises would not push anyone off the hand.

The guy can see the Q on the board and is betting weakly into it and getting callers.  He must be able to beat a pair of Q's, so is it Q7, 33, or 77 ?  His turn bet is too small for a Q7 so my guess would be 77.

[Royal Flush]

   I don't think you could avoid losing money here,but like tightend and co said you could have lost a little less.

  I would have propably lost just as much if not more having played four40 before and then set about amending my notes on him lol...seems to have learnt to limp with pocket pairs since I last played him.

  One more thing Flushie four40 use to have a habit of getting overconfident and would then give back his winnings plus more on occasion.If you try trapping with a very strong hand he will pay you most times if he thinks he can push you of a hand.By folding on this occasion I think you have set this up for the future.

Lol yeah i tried that, he then took $250 from me when i got him good with QQ, his AA somehow won though!

[sharpy]

  Ooooops..

 He must be on some roll at the moment.

 He is an aggresive player and isn't afraid to put his chips in the middle especially when he has had a good run of hands,but his good run will end but his aggression will not leaving him open for fleecing.

[Nem]

Well, what did he have?