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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #10380 on: July 02, 2017, 09:44:46 AM »

REMAIN takes 8% lead in Brexit referendum voting intention from Survation

EU Referendum Voting Intention

Remain 54%
Leave 46% excl DKs
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« Reply #10381 on: July 02, 2017, 09:45:21 AM »

CON takes lead with Survation - top pollster at GE17. LAB down 4

CON 41% (+1)
LAB 40% (-4)
LD 7% (+1) 
UKIP 2% (NC)
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« Reply #10382 on: July 02, 2017, 09:45:47 AM »

Opinium/Observer:

LAB: 45%
CON: 39%
LDEM: 5%
UKIP: 5%
GRN: 2%

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« Reply #10383 on: July 02, 2017, 09:46:07 AM »

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« Reply #10384 on: July 02, 2017, 09:46:24 AM »

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« Reply #10385 on: July 02, 2017, 10:01:05 AM »

This guy is more concerned about rising debt levels in China and US....


https://www.investmentweek.co.uk/investment-week/news/3012713/jim-rogers-predicts-worst-crash-of-our-lifetime-pointing-to-rising-debt-levels-in-us-and-china



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« Reply #10386 on: July 02, 2017, 10:27:06 AM »

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« Reply #10387 on: July 02, 2017, 10:28:10 AM »

Consumer spending has been THE economic growth engine. With incomes falling & debt growth unsustainable, what now?

http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/blog/incomes-are-falling-placing-our-economic-growth-on-borrowed-time/

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« Reply #10388 on: July 02, 2017, 12:38:24 PM »

REMAIN takes 8% lead in Brexit referendum voting intention from Survation

EU Referendum Voting Intention

Remain 54%
Leave 46% excl DKs

I'm a bit confused. What vote are we talking about here? The one we've already had?
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« Reply #10389 on: July 02, 2017, 12:53:07 PM »

REMAIN takes 8% lead in Brexit referendum voting intention from Survation

EU Referendum Voting Intention

Remain 54%
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I'm a bit confused. What vote are we talking about here? The one we've already had?


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« Reply #10390 on: July 02, 2017, 02:48:19 PM »

I think corbyn sacking a trio of front benchers could turn out to be a master stroke if we see an election soon, which I think we might. 

I seen some posts on social media over the last few days about the tories hiring campaign managers so I'd assume  another snap general election isn't too far away if these positions are legit.

I'm pretty cynical of the establishment at the best of times but in times like now my senses are that the tories may deliberatelt try and lose the next elections, its clear as day nobody wants to lead the party and not one of them want their political legacy to be the deliverance of brexit because they know ultimately that brexit is bad for them. 

I still firmly believe there is a very good socialist case for coming out the EU but it wasn't made, and I think if Corbyn plays it right he could end up looking like a genius.  Probably accidentally. 

Would have thought the DUP deal  means it's odds on at least 2 years until another election post Brexit.....and probably nearer to full term, depending on Brexit/ new Tory leader.
After initial rumour now zero appetite for any internal Tory changes /election.
The chance of a vote bringing down the Gov looks slim as they carefully look at the numbers on any thing mildly controversial going through parliament.

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« Reply #10391 on: July 03, 2017, 08:45:19 AM »

Will one more heave be enough to get Jeremy Corbyn to Number 10?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/01/will-one-more-heave-be-enough-to-get-jeremy-corbyn-to-number-10?CMP=share_btn_tw
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« Reply #10392 on: July 03, 2017, 10:06:23 AM »

Is Boris anything other than transparent. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40477136

Gove still thinks he is with a chance of the leader's job too.

Only another 4 years 11 nonths to go Theresa.
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« Reply #10393 on: July 03, 2017, 11:20:42 AM »

Boris and Gove are utter shits.
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« Reply #10394 on: July 03, 2017, 01:08:29 PM »

What does Tories' pact with DUP tell us about longevity of theresa may as PM and timing of next election?

Robert Peston

The Tories' pact with the DUP looks very much like a deal to prop up this minority government for the two years which in theory are necessary to deliver Brexit.

Because of the £1bn government sweetener promised to Northern Ireland, the big money for investment in health and infrastructure there is all deliverable over two years.

And although the so-called "confidence and supply" arrangement is for the lifetime of the parliament, its details are renewed at the time of every Queen's Speech legislative programme - and the current one lasts (as you will recall) also a Brexitly (sic) synchronous two years.

What's more the DUP is promising not just to support the government on the Queen's speech, budget and those "confidence" votes that could bring it down, but also on all Brexit-related legislation.

So for two years at least the government should be a bit more stable, if not exactly strong, as a result of the alliance with the DUP.
But that does not mean T May will survive as Tory leader or PM for that period, or that the DUP would hope and expect her to do so.
Because what is very striking is that she has not signed the agreement with the DUP. It's been signed by her chief whip Gavin Williamson.
Which implies that the pact could survive her resignation or eviction.

Or to put it another way, the DUP does nothing to undermine the widespread notion among Tory MPs that she could quit in about a year, or possibly even this autumn, and that there would be a general election in the spring/summer/autumn of 2019, following the UK's formal departure from the EU.

That highly plausible timetable for attempted Tory renewal and the next election is completely consistent with the DUP deal.
PS All the above is predicated on Dublin and Sinn Fein being persuaded that the DUP pact does not breach the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement, namely that the UK government remains an impartial guarantor of that agreement.

If their trust in the good faith of Theresa May were to be seriously impaired, the consequential mess would be yet another crisis for her - and one she would probably not survive.

PPS DUP sources tell me I have undervalued the wonga they have prised from the Treasury. They say that a relaxation of constraints on access to an existing £500m pot for education investment, under the 2014 Stormont House Agreement, should be factored in by me. And also that the promise that NI will get some additional Enterprise Zones will be highly valuable. So in total the package of support they've won is certainly more than £1.5bn - and possibly as much as the rumored £2bn they were demanding.

And, by the way, they will have the ability to shape and influence the government's policy-making and direction via membership of a "coordination" committee, which will be chaired by a minister (probably the chief whip Gavin Williamson or the First Minister Damian Green).
Which will worry liberal Tories which dislike the DUP's opposition to gay marriage, inter alia, and fiscally conservative Tories, who mistrust the DUP's opposition to austerity. "Dogs", "tails" and "wagging" all come to mind.

PPPS (if there is such a thing) Damian Green has confirmed to me that the DUP pact would continue, even if Theresa May stood down as PM - because it is an agreement between the parties, signed by the two chief whips, and not between the parties' leaders.

https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1872515643073172
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