WHY PROS ALWAY SAY " FIELD IS SO SOFT"

[tikay]

Much prefer the field is soft, rather then calling players fishes tbh

I dont find it dis-respectful at all, as people have said anyone can win a tourney and its just really to confirm it was the right decision to play a tourney.

How does saying it is soft confirm anything, except to the chap who says it?

As the reader, and potential buyer of his action, it says the complete opposite to me. I don't need him to tell me how soft he thinks it is, I will make that judgement.

Gotta disagree on that last point Tikay, often the seller will want to make buyers aware of all the factors that he believes will make it soft.

A good proposal imo will say that it's a good value investment because of x, y and z. You might not be aware that the WSOPE event clashes with GUKPT Luton so that'll mean lots of the very good UK regs like Cody, Lewis etc won't be playing, making the field softer. There might have been a £20 mega satellite with 50 seats in the casino the night before.

These are factors that'll make it softer, so the horse would be wise to include those in his staking proposal to make the buyers who might not know, aware.

Yes, maybe, but I don't like the hard sell, & don't need telling that (say) an EPT contains a lot of satellite qualifiers or that half the world are over in Vegas for the WSOP.

I buy stuff I want to buy, rather than what folks want to sell.

I almost never buy action on our Staking Boards these days anyway, my regular sellers send me a PM or Text, no fluff, frills or bollox, "I'm playing, you want some?" & that's it. I'd buy a lot more on the Boards if all the "how can we lose?" stuff was not there.

We are all different though, some folks like the hard sell stuff I suppose.


I can win this

Oh wow, I'd better buy some then

[Sulphur man]

Much prefer the field is soft, rather then calling players fishes tbh

I don't find it disrespectful at all, as people have said anyone can win a tourney and its just really to confirm it was the right decision to play a tourney.

How does saying it is soft confirm anything, except to the chap who says it?

As the reader, and potential buyer of his action, it says the complete opposite to me. I don't need him to tell me how soft he thinks it is, I will make that judgement.

Gotta disagree on that last point Tikay, often the seller will want to make buyers aware of all the factors that he believes will make it soft.

A good proposal IMO will say that it's a good value investment because of x, y and z. You might not be aware that the WSOPE event clashes with GUKPT Luton so that'll mean lots of the very good UK regs like Cody, Lewis etc won't be playing, making the field softer. There might have been a £20 mega satellite with 50 seats in the casino the night before.

These are factors that'll make it softer, so the horse would be wise to include those in his staking proposal to make the buyers who might not know, aware.

Fully agree with this post. Personally think it's fine to list reasons why you think an edge can be had in a certain event. Obviously a player stating this each time he/she requests staking can become tiresome.

I have been seated at tables before and thought absolutely no value is here or on other tables around me and on other days I have thought this is unbelievable people just want to donate. The good conscientious player will look to play events that he feels he has an edge in and not wholly let ego dictate what should be played.

And as Tikay points out a player saying I should win this or anything else like that is pretty transparent/tiresome. They can sell it how they like Frankie you know who the good players are you back them 

[tikay]

Much prefer the field is soft, rather then calling players fishes tbh

I don't find it disrespectful at all, as people have said anyone can win a tourney and its just really to confirm it was the right decision to play a tourney.

How does saying it is soft confirm anything, except to the chap who says it?

As the reader, and potential buyer of his action, it says the complete opposite to me. I don't need him to tell me how soft he thinks it is, I will make that judgement.

Gotta disagree on that last point Tikay, often the seller will want to make buyers aware of all the factors that he believes will make it soft.

A good proposal IMO will say that it's a good value investment because of x, y and z. You might not be aware that the WSOPE event clashes with GUKPT Luton so that'll mean lots of the very good UK regs like Cody, Lewis etc won't be playing, making the field softer. There might have been a £20 mega satellite with 50 seats in the casino the night before.

These are factors that'll make it softer, so the horse would be wise to include those in his staking proposal to make the buyers who might not know, aware.

Fully agree with this post. Personally think it's fine to list reasons why you think an edge can be had in a certain event. Obviously a player stating this each time he/she requests staking can become tiresome.

I have been seated at tables before and thought absolutely no value is here or on other tables around me and on other days I have thought this is unbelievable people just want to donate. The good conscientious player will look to play events that he feels he has an edge in and not wholly let ego dictate what should be played.

And as Tikay points out a player saying I should win this or anything else like that is pretty transparent/tiresome. They can sell it how they like Frankie you know who the good players are you back them 

You really NEED the player who is seeking staking to point out "I think I can win this, it is a soft field, loads of sat quallies, & I play pretty good"?

I would assume all that is a given. The brush or car salesman does that, he tries to tell me his brushes or cars are best. Well he would, even if they were not. Surely we all know that?

I suppose we all react differently to sales pitches. Me, I don't listen at all, I want to be my own judge. But then I'm nearly as obdurate as Red-Dog.

All I need is this.

My name is.

I am fit for purpose in this because.

This is the Event

This is the cost & mark-up (or not).

For me, most of the rest is background noise.  I can honestly say that a chap telling me how wonderful (he thinks) he is & how "soft" the field will be will not make an iota of difference to me. It may even turn me off a bit, as I don't like being taken for a fool or deemed unable to be aware of basics. You wanna talk down to me? Then you can bugger right off. Like, now.

I just need to have a feel for his ability, his honesty (will he pay me, or pay me in a timely manner?), & do I have a level of respect for him (or her...).

If they are inclined to refer to other players as fish, idiots or fools, throw strops at the table, or regale me with bad beats, I don't buy anyway, they need to have a little respect for their opponents if they want me to buy.

Guess I'm a bit of a weirdo, but in this case, I am the Customer, so it's my rules, not theirs. Clearly, I can & do ignore the threads which don't fulfil my criteria, & they can ignore me, too. That's cool.

[RED-DOG]

More years ago than I care to remember, I learned that the best selling technique was, "It's over there, go and have a look at it". This was best said whilst affecting an "I'm not really sure I want to sell it attitude".

[tikay]

More years ago than I care to remember, I learned that the best selling technique was, "It's over there, go and have a look at it". This was best said whilst affecting an "I'm not really sure I want to sell it attitude".

BOOM

[Tal]

A remarkably accurate business coaching strategy maxim is that, if you want your staff to change, you can't tell them to change; you must ask them to choose how to change.

In plain English, "We need you to deliver an increased output of 10%" is likely to be met with cynicism and resistance, where "We need you to tell us how we can be more efficient and more effective" brings people in.

In sales, the customer/client/mark must believe they are making their own, informed decision.

[tikay]

A remarkably accurate business coaching strategy maxim is that, if you want your staff to change, you can't tell them to change; you must ask them to choose how to change.

In plain English, "We need you to deliver an increased output of 10%" is likely to be met with cynicism and resistance, where "We need you to tell us how we can be more efficient and more effective" brings people in.

In sales, the customer/client/mark must believe they are making their own, informed decision.

THAT's what I'm talking 'bout.......

[blueace]

Never really thought about this, I guess it's just a 'go to' phrase that gets used a bit too much.  Like 'one time', innit.

I used to think this until recently, where I started to notice more and more, the weird stuff that was going in.

I thought maybe I was just being harsh on people until today's GUKPT at Luton.

I'm all for having bad players in the game, but some of the stuff I saw today made feel quite awkward at the table.

If I could rewind the clock 24 hours, I would happily buy a % of 20 decent players I know at 2.0

I'm assuming this thread was started because Alex made a comment about the field being soft. I think he was being extremely kind to the field.

Disclaimer: I didn't make day 2

Interesting, cos I played for the first time at Luton this Friday, and was quite 'offended' (I dont do offended but cant think of another word to fit) that a couple of guys on my cash table butted in on a conversation I was having with a recent Dtd torn winnner. 'Oh Dtd is so soft its not like Luton', etc, etc.
Ok big ego, if it is so soft how come your not playing all your poker there? and winning?

[aaron1867]

I like it when a player says field is soft and they've never played it before. Trying to attempt to justify a mark up.

Then they don't cash and say how unlucky they was.

Personal favourite of mine.

[scotty77]

Everywhere is soft apparently.

[cambridgealex]

I like it when a player says field is soft and they've never played it before. Trying to attempt to justify a mark up.

Then they don't cash and say how unlucky they was.

Personal favourite of mine.

I'd like staking for a local £20 freezeout tonight please Aaron. I've never played this particular tournament but I've played other tournaments of a similar buyin in this casino and others nearby, and I feel they were "soft", so I can only assume that the fields will be of a similar standard and I'd be good value at 1.2 markup.

However I might lose with aces allin pre or some other such 'unlucky' coup so there is no guarantee I will cash.

[millidonk]

1.2 is a bit pricey. But go on then, i'll take 10%

[theprawnidentity]

I'd be good value at 1.2 markup

call

[Doobs]

Everywhere I play is soft apparently.

FYP

Sorry, couldn't resist.  

[BangBang]

Frankie – Poker players make assumptions that’s all.  It’s just an assumption as one poker player would find it very difficult to judge the poker that’s being played on every table in any particular tournament

Tikay – Agree with the subjective nature of your preference, but do note, you’re a seasoned buyer; other not so seasoned buyers sometimes want “the dream” not the product.

Blueace – I’ve heard this about most card rooms in the U.K and the U.S again people make judgments with very limited knowledge and you want them to think your card room is soft because it brings in more players.

On a side note, people should be able to express themselves and opinions without the fear of being reprimanded by the “PC” police, I know Frankie was just asking a question so this is not by any means directed at him, but there are people on the forum who make a fuss over little throwaway remarks made by diarist. If I read one of the diaries on this forum I want hear an uncensored account of the diarists views, not some censored “trying not to offend” diluted account of their recent trip to Uni…