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Title: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 10:44:26 PM
an interesting discussion point came out of the excellent live coverage last night , when the shadows and the hit squad where railing praz and karl. the camel came on in his usual way being critical of the fact that 2 groups had emerged on the poker scene , ours is , in fact, borne out of a tongue in cheek comment made in barca and it has stuck.  the shadows primarily are made up of zipppy, ash, matt t, and me with jules  drifting in and out (usually when he has 10%) .

now the hit squad is praz karl chatti x2 james hark and satellite jim........................

 camels comment was base on the old fashion stick in the mud type,,,,,,,,,,," god i hope these "crews" doesnt mean all thewhooping and hollering is coming into the uk pokerscene........................

tikay then followed this up by saying there was some in bolton , he was correct , the shouting was  from the scousers, predominantly, backed up with their vocal mates . he then went on to say you wouldnt see it from the likes of gosney, thew, rokash , hussain, wernick .  oh and praz. (intereStingly he INCLUDED the 2 most succesful from the 2 groups above).  NOW I DONT SEE the difference between a rub down fron gosney or a typical lucy broadside to some excited guy get over exhuberant , but that is a matter of opinion.   are they both right or wrong.


NOW THE  point of the post is to debate whether there is room in the poker scene for this type of behaviour,  whilst i think its a little daft during the early and middle stages of th tournement , because you need to focus your concentration , and screaming only breaks your psychological advantage.

i n the latter stages of the tourneys there is issues with regard to the importance to the indiddvidual, some guy might be skint and suck out in a 10 rebuy and he "gives it the big one" probably out of relief, so lets look at the bigger picture.

i was at the final stages of the ept in dublin  when i was being railed by matt ,ash ,zippy ,andy brad ,micky fletch,  i made a moove with 77 , i put in a big reraise straight into kk , luckily he was german so the following scenes didnt matter that much, i hit the flush and the releif was huge , i couldnt beleive my luck and went over to the lads who , to a man , were giving it the big one on the rail (EVEN ASH , TK) HIGH FIVES WERE EXCHANGED OUT OF PURE RELEIF.


NOW THE SECOND TIME IT HAPPENED THERE WA NO HOLLERING AND THE RELEIF WAS HUGE. i was in the sb lodden was in the bb i raise with 66 jonny called 12k with 33  the board came 399 i raised 25k jonny reraise 50 k i pushed for 150 allin jonny called turn ace river 9 .

if i remember rightly there was no hollering i thought i was on my way , i sucked out,  i remeber dropping my bag and going to sit in the seats as joony walked of the other way , i was somewat bewildered by the whole scene. i got up walked over to jonni pleased for myself but gutted for him (cos it keeps happening to him 3 tables out in the ept)  he is a cracking lad.

at the final there was no hollering etc  and quite rightly so.  but i havent got a problem with it at the right time, when it is stoked by a situation.


the second discussion point on this , is, if poker is to maintain its longterm status at the forefront  of the sports/game world with a multi million pound turnover does the  enviroment need to be more fan orientated , should there be final tables with fans cheering there favourite , look at the hachem clan whenhe won the world series , what was said about them , they gave hachem motivation and made it look like a homers table .  home advantage and support helpos all sports .

so if i or any of the shadows get to a major final shortly thn we will be there in force supporting our friend , feeding some confidence and positivity .  if that means getting a bit to excited at the wrong time then so be it.................


the GAME IS CHANGING FOLKS , SOME, MAY THINK, FOR THE WORSE ,BUT EVERYTHING HAS TO EVOLVE ,



PS.  i wish somebody would tell the scousers to be quiet,  yes gary i mean you mate .;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Tractor on January 15, 2007, 10:50:21 PM
 ;karabiner; ;letsparty; ;karabiner; ;letsparty; ;karabiner;


















Not sure its in the English nature is it? Dont we get it quietly?
Although like cricket, I like the Barmy Army etc so I see no harm in it.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on January 15, 2007, 10:52:43 PM
Yes


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 15, 2007, 10:53:51 PM
Whooping, hollering, table banging = no class. (imho of course)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: lazaroonie on January 15, 2007, 10:58:28 PM
i agree with the Dogster...gimme five ma man !


seriously...keep you emotions to yourself....it will be better for your game in the long run. Its all about self control.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:02:25 PM
on what basis or situation is it classless, when it is driven by the natural relief valve of the weak human.

harsh words no class,

cricket and golf used to have exactly the same outlook , both sports were classy and BROKE , GOLF  who would have thought the ryder cup could be held in the enviroment it is today (AND ACCEPTED AS THE NORM NOW)

CRICKET , OLD MR GRACE MUST BE HAVING TANDOORI TRAUMAS WHEN HE LOOKS DOWN ON 20 20 CRICKET WITH HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BABBBBBBBBBBBY  BEING PLAYED EVERY TIME THERE IS A FOUR.


NO CLASS IS SO WRONG , CHANGE IS UNAVOIDABLE IF YOU WANT TO PLAY IN THE BIG LEAGUE FOR BIG BUCKS..................


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: lazaroonie on January 15, 2007, 11:03:24 PM
on what basis or situation is it classless, when it is driven by the natural relief valve of the weak human.


exactly. hollering and whooping = weakness


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 15, 2007, 11:05:11 PM
on what basis or situation is it classless, when it is driven by the natural relief valve of the weak human.

harsh words no class,

cricket and golf used to have exactly the same outlook , both sports were classy and BROKE , GOLF  who would have thought the ryder cup could be held in the enviroment it is today (AND ACCEPTED AS THE NORM NOW)

CRICKET , OLD MR GRACE MUST BE HAVING TANDOORI TRAUMAS WHEN HE LOOKS DOWN ON 20 20 CRICKET WITH HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BABBBBBBBBBBBY  BEING PLAYED EVERY TIME THERE IS A FOUR.


NO CLASS IS SO WRONG , CHANGE IS UNAVOIDABLE IF YOU WANT TO PLAY IN THE BIG LEAGUE FOR BIG BUCKS..................


I will respect your opinion, it's the classy thing to do.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:06:11 PM
WEAKNESS AND CLASSLESS ARE GULFS APART .......... you are weak at the table but you are clasy withy it;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:11:17 PM
im not disrepecting your opinion tom , im trying to invoke a discussion based on actual fact , giving you examples of sports that have gone through transition allowing their players to benefit . 


you also have to take into consideration the  individual and his ability to take the strain of a suck out or a bad beat,  because they cant cope with thee pressuure doesnt make em classless .


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 15, 2007, 11:11:29 PM
COME ON THE SIX....SIX SIX SIX

Hardly psychological warfare is it?



You win a £3 grand pot, this usually means a chappy across the table has lost a £3 grand pot. Refraining from dancing a jig of glee on the table and high fiving the room does suggest a certain level of class.

It's entirely fair to say that a indulging in such behaviours exhibits a lack of class.

COME ON THE SIX....

You'll have folk believing it's a game of luck.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:14:17 PM
cash games different gravy , couldnt agrree with you more ,,,,,,,,,,,, to personal and ends up in bother ........................


my post is aimed at tourneys cos i know little about winning in cash games lol


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:15:47 PM
cmon tikay i feel a long post acomin ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 15, 2007, 11:16:55 PM
im not disrepecting your opinion tom , im trying to invoke a discussion based on actual fact , giving you examples of sports that have gone through transition allowing their players to benefit . 


you also have to take into consideration the  individual and his ability to take the strain of a suck out or a bad beat,  because they cant cope with thee pressuure doesnt make em classless .

The qualities you describe are part of my definition of class Nick.

Don't get me wrong, I can tolorate others doing it, but if I found myself behaving like that, I would be ashamed of myself.

Each to there own, you asked for opinions, this is mine.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: lazaroonie on January 15, 2007, 11:22:31 PM
cmon tikay i feel a long post acomin ;)

he would need to have won a big pot to know what it felt like...


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:24:04 PM
thankyou that explains it better , i think i would personally sit on you for a full blind level if you succumbed to it, i must admit i was embarrased after i did it , but inexperience was my excuse , i had never been at that level before and exoitment got the better of me , will be a toe curler when they show it ..........i booked my hols for june;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:25:28 PM

It's each to their own Nick, & we all see these things differently.

I am old school, something you apparently (by your repeated comments) don't much like in poker. But I am what I am, "manners maketh man" is what matters to me, & I've done pretty well in life - & even better in poker - using that maxim. All things considered (I had no education at all), it's served me quite well in life, & I'll never change that view.

Buit if others wanna whoop & holler & bang the table, & embarrass others by using speech play that highlights an individuals physical failings, that's their perfect right.  I'll respect that right, but that's not to say I have to like or applaud it.

But I'm quite curious about this passage of yours....


tikay then followed this up by saying there was some in bolton , he was correct , the shouting was  from the scousers, predominantly, backed up with their vocal mates . he then went on to say you wouldnt see it from the likes of gosney, thew, rokash , hussain, wernick .  oh and praz. (intereStingly he INCLUDED the 2 most succesful from the 2 groups above).  NOW I DONT SEE the difference between a rub down fron gosney or a typical lucy broadside to some excited guy get over exhuberant , but that is a matter of opinion.   

Why "interestingly".......? I don't have a problem if peeps wanna give themselves group names, never said I did, (in fact Thewy, Belly & I used to be The Notts Mob) & all the names I listed are players I respect & admire. So, why "interestingly", you've whooshed me there my friend.

As to whooping & hollering & table-banging, folks can carry on doing that if that's what floats their boat. To me, that's just lack of class, but others see it different, & they may well be right. In Association Football players celebrarte winning a penalty, in Rugby Union they get it quietly. Real men, see?

Each to their own, even if that does include "old-fashioned".

I'll stick to being polite & reserved, & watch, with a tad of pity, others who can't control their emotions doing their thing.

It's cool, either way.

We should make the next debate be on the merits (or otherwise) of speech play.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:26:42 PM
cmon tikay i feel a long post acomin ;)

he would need to have won a big pot to know what it felt like...

I live in hope Laz!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Eyeofsauron on January 15, 2007, 11:27:07 PM
I think along the same lines as Red-Dog on this one. I wouldn't do it for three reasons:

1. None of my friends like poker so there would be no-one there to high-five to anyway.

2. I would look like a complete knob. I don't have much difficulty looking like one anyway, but I try not to make matters worse.

3. I would have to win a hand first.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 15, 2007, 11:29:30 PM
I think the question here is...

Is it a genuine expression of relief, or is it just an excuse for people to show off and garner attention?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: The Camel on January 15, 2007, 11:30:23 PM
Not sure why I'm bothering to answer this, because you are either joking or beyond help as illustrated by this line:

luckily he was german so the following scenes didnt matter that much,

Do people today have no empathy?

When you hit your miracle flush did it cross your mind how sick the other fella must have felt at that moment?

And you jumping around like a baboon on speed would surely not help.

If you play poker, you have to learn that sometimes you get unlucky and sometimes you get lucky. Behaving like classless lout doesn't help you and can only make your opponent feel upset. So why bother?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:30:51 PM
I think the question here is...

Is it a genuine expression of relief, or is it just an excuse for people to show off and garner attention?

I see it wider than that.

In doing it for either reason, should you not take into account the other guy's feelings? Do as thy will be done & all that.....

Those that stick it up others rarely like it stuck up them.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:32:53 PM
Not sure why I'm bothering to answer this, because you are either joking or beyond help as illustrated by this line:

luckily he was german so the following scenes didnt matter that much,

Do people today have no empathy?

When you hit your miracle flush did it cross your mind how sick the other fella must have felt at that moment?

And you jumping around like a baboon on speed would surely not help.

If you play poker, you have to learn that sometimes you get unlucky and sometimes you get lucky. Behaving like classless lout doesn't help you and can only make your opponent feel upset. So why bother?

He was German, so that's OK, see?......


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 15, 2007, 11:33:33 PM
I think the question here is...

Is it a genuine expression of relief, or is it just an excuse for people to show off and garner attention?

I see it wider than that.

In doing it for either reason, should you not take into account the other guy's feelings? Do as thy will be done & all that.....

Those that stick it up others rarely like it stuck up them.

I can forgive someone who clenches his fist and shouts 'yes' uncontrollably because of genuine adrenalin, but when it's high fives, and a blatant form of posing, showing off and unnecessarily drawing attention to oneself, then I'm not a fan.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:36:30 PM
I think the question here is...

Is it a genuine expression of relief, or is it just an excuse for people to show off and garner attention?

I see it wider than that.

In doing it for either reason, should you not take into account the other guy's feelings? Do as thy will be done & all that.....

Those that stick it up others rarely like it stuck up them.

I can forgive someone who clenches his fist and shouts 'yes' uncontrollably because of genuine adrenalin, but when it's high fives, and a blatant form of posing, showing off and unnecessarily drawing attention to oneself, then I'm not a fan.

Few are - when on the receiving end.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: The Camel on January 15, 2007, 11:37:10 PM
I think the question here is...

Is it a genuine expression of relief, or is it just an excuse for people to show off and garner attention?

I see it wider than that.

In doing it for either reason, should you not take into account the other guy's feelings? Do as thy will be done & all that.....

Those that stick it up others rarely like it stuck up them.

I can forgive someone who clenches his fist and shouts 'yes' uncontrollably because of genuine Adrenalin, but when it's high fives, and a blatant form of posing, showing off and unnecessarily drawing attention to oneself, then I'm not a fan.

Of course you are right Snoops. An expression if relief is quite understandable to relieve tension. But premeditated celebrations are bang out of order I think...

For example: the behaviour of Rolf Slotboom in the latter stages of the Masterclassics at Amsterdam has led me to lose all respect for him.

I must admit to chuckling inside when he lost in such an unlucky way in the final. I'd like to think it was bad karma catching up with him...


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:38:45 PM
i think there are a cuople of points we nee to clear up tk.

1 . i dont see you as old fashioned (other than you tesco tshirt at bppool)  i hold the deepest respect for anyone who can last more thsn a few years in this game (without going mad or bust)l,  please dont mix my comments with any individual,  particulaly you, whom i hold in high regard .
as for your barbed comment about physical attributes , i still hold firm you misread the trembling hands situation .

2 anyway the paragraph you pickd out was again misconstrued , or badly written by me.,   i meant to say you mentioned the 2 most succesful of the 2 groups who yu said" were classy", whilst camel was saying "oh god does this mean the 2 groups are "whoopin and hollering"    you answered his question without realising it

im a bit dissapointed this isnt being deeply discussed and we are just taking the base values , i think the whole topic has real depth , thats why i posted a long post , but hey


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 15, 2007, 11:42:20 PM



We should make the next debate be on the merits (or otherwise) of speech play.

I have absolutely no problem at all with speech play, it's part of poker. As long as players don't declare their intended action out of turn, insult or intimidate other players, and are gracious enough to allow their opponent at least a few moments quiet thinking time when faced with a tough decision, I think it's fine.



Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 15, 2007, 11:43:35 PM
i think the whole topic has real depth , thats why i posted a long post , but hey

I do agree with this, especially because I was a season ticket down the villa for several years and used to take great pleasure in taunting the opposing fans, even though I knew they were gutted when they went a goal down or lost a match.

I think it's a fascinating topic.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: The Camel on January 15, 2007, 11:48:24 PM
Poker is not a team sport.

The football legends poker tournament was a disgrace. Encouraging team play and colluding.

The idea of "crews" and "teams" playing poker where individuals have a major financial interest in each other is disturbing on a number of levels.

Basically, an interest in another player should not lead to someone playing against him differently to when he has no interest.

Soft playing, chip passing and colluding is cheating and the existance of poker teams only leads to suspicion that these players are indulging in such shenanighans.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 15, 2007, 11:48:59 PM
used to take great pleasure in taunting the opposing fans, even though I knew they were gutted when they went a goal down or lost a match.



Perhaps this is part of the reason I don't like football.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:49:56 PM
keith i quite agree with you and tk , shoving it up somebody is wrong ,  dont mistake me defending it with me thinking it is right , you really need to read all the post.

as for the german coment , it is what we call humour in the north.......................................................


 as for rolf slotboom   if i ever behave like he did in the master classic then please tell me............. i dont agree with everything that is happening but i have seen the growth in the business in the short time i have been playing , it is changing whether you like it or not and it will get worse , i have made big mistakes , both in the way i act and the way i play.  but who is there to tell me or others what the etiquette is , HOW SHOULD I BEHAVE ,,,,,,,,  

tk pulled me up a couple of times this year, once i was pretty horrified if i was behaving as tk perceived it..............  BUT IM LEARNING AND I WILL MAKE MISTAKES , I HAVE HOLLERED , BET I WONT DO IT AGAIN THOUGH


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 15, 2007, 11:51:02 PM
What's the difference between a high five in a casino, and an aaaayyyyaaaarrrr on the internet?

I ask because I'm firmly opposed to the former, yet frequently indulge in the latter, when a blonde sounds the PRO bugle.

Other than the obvious live and online poker being different kettles of fish, is there a logical basis on which to draw a distinction on the ethics of the two?

Or am I just a huge hypocritical contradiction? Muttering quietly at the hoopahing brigade when I play live, but doing, what amounts to the exact same thing when so and so gets to the final of the 37k guaranteed.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:53:36 PM
i think there are a cuople of points we nee to clear up tk.

1 . i dont see you as old fashioned (other than you tesco tshirt at bppool)  i hold the deepest respect for anyone who can last more thsn a few years in this game (without going mad or bust)l,  please dont mix my comments with any individual,  particulaly you, whom i hold in high regard .
as for your barbed comment about physical attributes , i still hold firm you misread the trembling hands situation .

2 anyway the paragraph you pickd out was again misconstrued , or badly written by me.,   i meant to say you mentioned the 2 most succesful of the 2 groups who yu said" were classy", whilst camel was saying "oh god does this mean the 2 groups are "whoopin and hollering"    you answered his question without realising it

im a bit dissapointed this isnt being deeply discussed and we are just taking the base values , i think the whole topic has real depth , thats why i posted a long post , but hey

1) I never misread "the trembling hands situation", but the geezer with the trembling hands, whose first Live Tourney it was, evidently took it badly, as he told me he'd never been so embarrassed in his life. He had a medical condition which causes his hands to shake uncontrollably, & he'd never dared play Live before. He told me afterwards that he never will again. You can hold firm all you like, I believe what you said was bang out of order, (just my opinion, but I'm a humanitarian) but it's done now. Sorry about my Tesco shirt. £6 in Tesco, exact same shirt in Gap costs £45. Who's the fool? I don't have any personal issues with you, either, but we see things differently. Thank God.

2) Maybe you wrote it badly, maybe I answered it badly, but Camel can defend himself, I was not defending him. I ask again, why "interestingly"?. I was not aware - enlighten me please - that Wernick, Lucy or Giosney were or are part of any collective.

You are disappointed the topic is not being discussed? Or is it because you are not finding much agreement with your views?

Good debate, imo.

Keep it coming, if you can cope...... ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 15, 2007, 11:55:24 PM
keith i quite agree with you and tk , shoving it up somebody is wrong ,  dont mistake me defending it with me thinking it is right , you really need to read all the post.

as for the german coment , it is what we call humour in the north.......................................................


 as for rolf slotboom   if i ever behave like he did in the master classic then please tell me............. i dont agree with everything that is happening but i have seen the growth in the business in the short time i have been playing , it is changing whether you like it or not and it will get worse , i have made big mistakes , both in the way i act and the way i play.  but who is there to tell me or others what the etiquette is , HOW SHOULD I BEHAVE ,,,,,,,,  

tk pulled me up a couple of times this year, once i was pretty horrified if i was behaving as tk perceived it..............  BUT IM LEARNING AND I WILL MAKE MISTAKES , I HAVE HOLLERED , BET I WONT DO IT AGAIN THOUGH

 :goodpost:


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 15, 2007, 11:56:01 PM
INTERESTING COMMENTS KEITH ,  why would you then swap % WITH SOMEONE you played with in the master classic , i may be wrong but you were sat next to each other at one point.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 15, 2007, 11:58:12 PM
keith i quite agree with you and tk , shoving it up somebody is wrong ,  dont mistake me defending it with me thinking it is right , you really need to read all the post.

as for the german coment , it is what we call humour in the north.......................................................


 as for rolf slotboom   if i ever behave like he did in the master classic then please tell me............. i dont agree with everything that is happening but i have seen the growth in the business in the short time i have been playing , it is changing whether you like it or not and it will get worse , i have made big mistakes , both in the way i act and the way i play.  but who is there to tell me or others what the etiquette is , HOW SHOULD I BEHAVE ,,,,,,,,  

tk pulled me up a couple of times this year, once i was pretty horrified if i was behaving as tk perceived it..............  BUT IM LEARNING AND I WILL MAKE MISTAKES , I HAVE HOLLERED , BET I WONT DO IT AGAIN THOUGH

I believe you (we) should treat people at the table the same way you would in other situations, just because you're playing poker, it doesn't mean normal everyday good manners and courtesy should go out the window.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 12:01:24 AM
I agree, great subject for debate.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 12:01:56 AM
What's the difference between a high five in a casino, and an aaaayyyyaaaarrrr on the internet?

I ask because I'm firmly opposed to the former, yet frequently indulge in the latter, when a blonde sounds the PRO bugle.

Other than the obvious live and online poker being different kettles of fish, is there a logical basis on which to draw a distinction on the ethics of the two?

Or am I just a huge hypocritical contradiction? Muttering quietly at the hoopahing brigade when I play live, but doing, what amounts to the exact same thing when so and so gets to the final of the 37k guaranteed.

This is an interesting point that I never considered.

Why is it unacceptable to celebrate in the casino, yet when there is a blonde running well, we all shout ayyyyyyaaaaar and whatnot? Surely the guy who has just exited or suffered is reading that and perhaps just as upset as someone who has endured an equally disappointing demise in the live arena.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: The Camel on January 16, 2007, 12:02:04 AM
INTERESTING COMMENTS KEITH ,  why would you then swap % WITH SOMEONE you played with in the master classic , i may be wrong but you were sat next to each other at one point.

Because I never swap enough of a % with anyone to make a difference to how I play against them.

One mate I used to swap 10% with, but we wanted to knock each other more than anyone in the comp, bragging rights, see?

Apart from him, I never swap more than 5% with anyone. And then if they are on my table I try to knock them out!

I swapped with Paul Parker in Amsterdam. And I knocked him out just short of the money.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:04:11 AM
Come on Nick, keep up man!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 12:05:05 AM
im dissapointed in you tk.

why would i think im not finding people who agree with my views .................


thats why i think the post should be read and discussed deeper , the crux of the arguement is not what i agree or think , because i agree with you and tom in the main, i should and could behave better but i hate all this shouting at the table , at the efop the french were a disgarce it wa like jeux en frontiers with stuart hall ffs.


i do think it is crap but , like i said it will get worse as the game becomes more global.


quantify a misunderstood child


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 12:05:53 AM
Within reason, someones chips are much more valuable to you than their percentage


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 12:08:51 AM
ffs you all got secretarys .

i aint going to post a crap subject without discussion points and not play devils advocate so , cmon guys cut a bit of slack


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 12:14:16 AM
ffs you all got secretarys .

i aint going to post a crap subject without discussion points and not play devils advocate so , cmon guys cut a bit of slack

If I had a secretary, I wouldn't be be wasting my time posting on here (well not for at least 3 minutes)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: doubleup on January 16, 2007, 12:14:50 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, but when I give someone a beat, the first thing I'm thinking is how the fck I got myself in the position where I needed to get lucky.  


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:17:03 AM
im dissapointed in you tk.

why would i think im not finding people who agree with my views .................


thats why i think the post should be read and discussed deeper , the crux of the arguement is not what i agree or think , because i agree with you and tom in the main, i should and could behave better but i hate all this shouting at the table , at the efop the french were a disgarce it wa like jeux en frontiers with stuart hall ffs.


i do think it is crap but , like i said it will get worse as the game becomes more global.


quantify a misunderstood child

I am well aware you are disappointed in me, such is life.

I'm glad to hear you disapprove of the poor behaviour.

It will get worse as the game gets more global? It will if we just stand back & say nowt!

I have stated my position on table behaviour consistently, in print media, on the web, via APAT (where Table Behaviour is exemplary) & on TV, & I'll continue so to do. That's the way to try & do something about it. Don't be giving up & saying "we can''t stop it" - we CAN. But it helps if the better players - such as yourself - lead by example, & I'm glad we think the same here.  At my level of play, (grinder, need the cards to win) my opinion don't count for a deal!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 12:18:31 AM
you should know mate usually measured by the amount of booze you have cnsumed , esp at paris ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 12:20:26 AM
And we won this debate so in your face Sladey!!!!  ;yippee; ;bumwiggle; ;nana;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 12:22:27 AM
AAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR

1-0 to the class ;sark; ;yippee; ;kneelsucker; pwned etc.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 12:22:48 AM
Honestly Tom, if you ever erupted like that in a live event, I couldn't help but have a little giggle.  :D

Please let one rip at your next outing.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Dubai on January 16, 2007, 12:23:24 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
Honestly Tom, if you ever erupted like that in a live event, I couldn't help but have a little giggle.  :D

Please let one rip at your next outing.

If Tom ever lets rip, you'll know about it. Trust me.....


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: The Camel on January 16, 2007, 12:28:58 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.

This is very good point.

I can't think of a single sick gambler who behaves badly when they win a big pot.

Probably because it's known no matter how much is won, it will all be gone in a couple of weeks anyway...





Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:36:52 AM
Excellent debate indeed - 54 Posts in less than 100 minutes. More of the same.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 12:37:23 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.

This is very good point.

I can't think of a single sick gambler who behaves badly when they win a big pot.

Probably because it's known no matter how much is won, it will all be gone in a couple of weeks anyway...





Roland barely battered an eye lid when he won the epr in dublin.  ;whistle;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 12:38:37 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.
i thought the moan you let out late saturday when i reriased you twice was a disgarce you were slumped in your chair and barely could reach your cards to muck..
at least have the courtesy to sit up  ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 12:41:11 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.
i thought the moan you let out late saturday when i reriased you twice was a disgarce you were slumped in your chair and barely could reach your cards to muck..
at least have the courtesy to sit up  ;)

Is that why you are an inverted chair sitter?... to avoid the potential slump into the chair.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 12:42:36 AM
Whats your opinion of Paul Maxfields' high fives during the final of the WPT Championship at the Bellagio.
Was it acceptable due to the "alledged" collusion between Tuan Lee & H . Habib?

Paul is a classy guy , so is it acceptable in certain circumstances?

I also hate the high fives and such, but found no problem with Pauls antics. Am I a Hypocrite?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:42:56 AM
I think sponsors have a say in shaping how players behave, & the brighter players realise this.

Think sponsored players in the UK, the ones who spring to mind as ideal vehicles for their Sponsors money are Thewy, Smokin Steve, Bad Girl, Lord Wernick, & the boy J P Kelly.

By Sponsoring those who behave in a decent manner at the table, they (the Sponsors) are encouraging better behaviour. See, we CAN turn the tide!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Dubai on January 16, 2007, 12:43:11 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.

This is very good point.

I can't think of a single sick gambler who behaves badly when they win a big pot.

Probably because it's known no matter how much is won, it will all be gone in a couple of weeks anyway...





Roland barely battered an eye lid when he won the epr in dublin.  ;whistle;


Maybe cause he had to win to break even for the week after letting me play on his account!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 12:43:56 AM
dubai whilst  your on , it is very apt , your pal from longridge with the long hair thought i was giving him a rubdown when i knocked him  out on saturday,, tell him he misunderstood my comments  i was actually saying he was ul cos he hit trips and gave me the flush , he thought i was ritiscizing his play . he did overplay his hand but i wasnt giving him the bird , he is a nice kid.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Dubai on January 16, 2007, 12:44:19 AM
Too many players are now actual poker players and not sick gamblers. They therefore dont know the feeling of losing money and cant handle the situations as well as those brought up on a gambling background. Playing high online is an emotion killer too. You rarely see a high stakes online player show any emotion in live tournaments when knocked out or winning an all in.
i thought the moan you let out late saturday when i reriased you twice was a disgarce you were slumped in your chair and barely could reach your cards to muck..
at least have the courtesy to sit up  ;)


Not sure what u mean. If its a joke, its gone straight over my head, but I wasnt in the casino Saturday at all.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:45:00 AM
Whats your opinion of Paul Maxfields' high fives during the final of the WPT Championship.
Was it acceptable due to the "alledged" collusion between Tuan Lee & H . Habib?

Paul is a classy guy , so is it acceptable in certain circumstances?

I also hate the high fives and such, but found no problem with Pauls antics. Am I a Hypocrite?

I think that was an exceptional situation. Paul is a perfect Gent, but his two foes chose to collude. They got what they deserved.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Dubai on January 16, 2007, 12:45:12 AM
dubai whilst  your on , it is very apt , your pal from longridge with the long hair thought i was giving him a rubdown when i knocked him  out on saturday,, tell him he misunderstood my comments  i was actually saying he was ul cos he hit trips and gave me the flush , he thought i was ritiscizing his play . he did overplay his hand but i wasnt giving him the bird , he is a nice kid.



Yeah he thought u was giving him the rubdown. He said it to me after. I'l direct him to this thread for u mate.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:48:20 AM
I think sponsors have a say in shaping how players behave, & the brighter players realise this.

Think sponsored players in the UK, the ones who spring to mind as ideal vehicles for their Sponsors money are Thewy, Smokin Steve, Bad Girl, Lord Wernick, & the boy J P Kelly.

By Sponsoring those who behave in a decent manner at the table, they (the Sponsors) are encouraging better behaviour. See, we CAN turn the tide!

I should have added El Blondie, & doubtless many others, but you get my drift.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 12:50:02 AM
Whats your opinion of Paul Maxfields' high fives during the final of the WPT Championship.
Was it acceptable due to the "alledged" collusion between Tuan Lee & H . Habib?

Paul is a classy guy , so is it acceptable in certain circumstances?

I also hate the high fives and such, but found no problem with Pauls antics. Am I a Hypocrite?

I think that was an exceptional situation. Paul is a perfect Gent, but his two foes chose to collude. They got what they deserved.
So it is acceptable in certain circumstances, if theres some history to the actions?
Did Paul know for certain of the "said" collusion


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:52:13 AM
Whats your opinion of Paul Maxfields' high fives during the final of the WPT Championship.
Was it acceptable due to the "alledged" collusion between Tuan Lee & H . Habib?

Paul is a classy guy , so is it acceptable in certain circumstances?

I also hate the high fives and such, but found no problem with Pauls antics. Am I a Hypocrite?

I think that was an exceptional situation. Paul is a perfect Gent, but his two foes chose to collude. They got what they deserved.
So it is acceptable in certain circumstances, if theres some history to the actions?
Did Paul know for certain of the "said" collusion

Well I'd never do it whiile I had breath in my body, but we all had sympathy for Paul, & I think Paul knew what was going off. As to "said" collusion, the evidence was pretty damning.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Longy on January 16, 2007, 12:56:11 AM
I am certainly part of the new poker boom group in poker (27 yr old who learnt his game on the internet) but i have to say this whole parading around like you are some kind of superstar when you win a pot or even worse suckout leaves a bad taste in the mouth. My philosophy in poker is that its game to be competitive at but manners and etiquette in live poker are important.

This is an individuals game where each person is responsible for their own decisions and it is peoples money. Therefore for every winner who is hollering there is someone sat there who has lost the pot and has to endure not only losing money (be it a tourney or cash), to be frankly honest this is not the behaviour of any responsible person. When it comes down to it this boils down to what kind of person you are and how you wish others to perceive you.

I have to say internet poker is interesting one I must admit one of the reasons i have no involved myself in the PRO  etc is that i think some of the chat box railbirding goes too far. All you have to do is watch the final 5 tables of the Sunday million on stars it really is a wonder that any of these people are above the age of 16. Not that I'm saying supporting your mates is wrong but there are ways to do this and not be an idiot.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 12:57:57 AM
I am certainly part of the new poker boom group in poker (27 yr old who learnt his game on the internet) but i have to say this whole parading around like you are some kind of superstar when you win a pot or even worse suckout leaves a bad taste in the mouth. My philosophy in poker is that its game to be competitive at but manners and etiquette in live poker are important.

This is an individuals game where each person is responsible for their own decisions and it is peoples money. Therefore for every winner who is hollering there is someone sat there who has lost the pot and has to endure not only losing money (be it a tourney or cash), to be frankly honest this is not the behaviour of any responsible person. When it comes down to it this boils down to what kind of person you are and how you wish others to perceive you.

I have to say internet poker is interesting one I must admit one of the reasons i have no involved myself in the PRO  etc is that i think some of the chat box railbirding goes too far. All you have to do is watch the final 5 tables of the Sunday million on stars it really is a wonder that any of these people are above the age of 16. Not that I'm saying supporting your mates is wrong but there are ways to do this and not be an idiot.


What a great Post!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 01:00:23 AM
Whats your opinion of Paul Maxfields' high fives during the final of the WPT Championship.
Was it acceptable due to the "alledged" collusion between Tuan Lee & H . Habib?

Paul is a classy guy , so is it acceptable in certain circumstances?

I also hate the high fives and such, but found no problem with Pauls antics. Am I a Hypocrite?

I think that was an exceptional situation. Paul is a perfect Gent, but his two foes chose to collude. They got what they deserved.
So it is acceptable in certain circumstances, if theres some history to the actions?
Did Paul know for certain of the "said" collusion

Well I'd never do it whiile I had breath in my body, but we all had sympathy for Paul, & I think Paul knew what was going off. As to "said" collusion, the evidence was pretty damning.
I agree with the evidence Tikay. It was I who started the Stateside debate on the subject.
 I posed the question to Paul Phillips on his journal,asking his opinion as a high profile player , what he thought on the alledged collusion between LEE & HABIB. I didnt expect a response but he did and it went crazy across the forum boards in America.
As you know I also hold Paul in high esteem, as a person and poker player


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 01:00:58 AM
i know what he felt like, i played on the same table as the travelling companions of chili and tk , they colluded that much that tk just played against marie and took all her money (luton i think it was)

someone needs to explain i aint a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks , i was the fat northern git sat to her right. and it was me you were supposed to bust not your pal


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 01:11:20 AM
i know what he felt like, i played on the same table as the travelling companions of chili and tk , they colluded that much that tk just played against marie and took all her money (luton i think it was)

someone needs to explain i aint a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks , i was the fat northern git sat to her right. and it was me you were supposed to bust not your pal

The more I like them as friends, the harder I play against them, it's the bragging rights, as Chili & Thewy will testify. Shame they are both better at the game than me, though, they generally end up with the chips! And we generally have a little financial "interest" in each other. I never swap %'s with Red-dog, but we generally end up taking each other on, if he's in a Pot, so am I, I can't help it! That's why, when we go on "away" trips, we always hope for separate tables.

I try & avoid you at the table as you're way too good for me, but I have my moments. ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 01:12:38 AM
a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks

hehe  :D


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 01:14:09 AM
a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks

hehe  :D

She'll love being called THAT. Not......!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 01:18:44 AM
iiiiii ok .

first thing we all look for esp ash mat thewy and me , is that we are on different tables, when we were at the epm , ash and jules sat next to each other in all 3 tourneys an when one got knocked out i sat in thier seat in 2 out of 3 of the tourneys.

it was like the somme , we all went for each others throats ,  bizarre really, but it makes the bragging rights so much better, problem is i always come last and end up with the food bill lol.


memory note ...travell with easy pickings next year


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 01:21:37 AM

Read your PM's ffs Nick!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 01:23:03 AM
a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks

hehe  :D

She'll love being called THAT. Not......!
thought it might make her comment she has been watchin the thread for 2 hours lol, it was a compliment honest guv,,,,,,,,, curvy in the north west means "all that"


hole dig deeper comes to mind lol


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 01:25:39 AM

Read your PM's ffs Nick!

press quote button
press quote button
press quote button

wondered how you all did that , i tried the old cut a paste , went tits up so i thought fek it lol


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 01:26:04 AM
a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks

hehe  :D

She'll love being called THAT. Not......!
thought it might make her comment she has been watchin the thread for 2 hours lol, it was a compliment honest guv,,,,,,,,, curvy in the north west means "all that"


hole dig deeper comes to mind lol

Nope, she's way too bright to rise to the bait. (Unlike me). But she's been offline over an hour......

Keep digging Son.

xx


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 01:27:30 AM

Read your PM's ffs Nick!

press quote button
press quote button
press quote button

wondered how you all did that , i tried the old cut a paste , went tits up so i thought fek it lol

Way to go. It makes (some of) the replies make more sense if the readers can see what you are responding to.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 01:28:35 AM

Read your PM's ffs Nick!

press quote button
press quote button
press quote button

wondered how you all did that , i tried the old cut a paste , went tits up so i thought fek it lol

Way to go. It makes (some of) the replies make more sense if the readers can see what you are responding to.
Red Wine me thinks  :D


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 01:30:26 AM
a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks

hehe  :D

She'll love being called THAT. Not......!
thought it might make her comment she has been watchin the thread for 2 hours lol, it was a compliment honest guv,,,,,,,,, curvy in the north west means "all that"


hole dig deeper comes to mind lol

Nope, she's way too bright to rise to the bait. (Unlike me).

Keep digging Son.

xx
she is one of the boys if she dont like it she can kiss it lol

i hope ,, tk how do you edit


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 01:30:45 AM

Read your PM's ffs Nick!

press quote button
press quote button
press quote button

wondered how you all did that , i tried the old cut a paste , went tits up so i thought fek it lol

Way to go. It makes (some of) the replies make more sense if the readers can see what you are responding to.
Red Wine me thinks  :D


You are not wrong methinks.

Mine's a Horlicks Lite.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 01:36:52 AM
a curvy pretty bird with bonny cypriot looks

hehe  :D

She'll love being called THAT. Not......!
thought it might make her comment she has been watchin the thread for 2 hours lol, it was a compliment honest guv,,,,,,,,, curvy in the north west means "all that"


hole dig deeper comes to mind lol

sofa?!?!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 03:12:50 AM
WOW! Just WOW!

Just when I thought the level of idiocy and Hypocrisy had reached it's peak, it grows even further.

This whole thread is just WOW!

From someone who seems OBV drunk extolling the righteousness of shouting and high fiveing after a suckout to those placing certain "old school" players on pedestals when at the base of those pedestals is a foundation of pure filth.


LOL at all of you aside from Reddog and Tank.

Do the rest of you not even have noses to smell the chest high stink you are swimming in?








Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 03:28:31 AM
WOW! Just WOW!

Just when I thought the level of idiocy and Hypocrisy had reached it's peak, it grows even further.

This whole thread is just WOW!

From someone who seems OBV drunk extolling the righteousness of shouting and high fiveing after a suckout to those placing certain "old school" players on pedestals when at the base of those pedestals is a foundation of pure filth.


LOL at all of you aside from Reddog and Tank.

Do the rest of you not even have noses to smell the chest high stink you are swimming in?







I know probably as much as you on " the pedestal of filth" which poker has been based on for a very long time. Check my comments on THM forum about J Chans win. I am certainly under no illusion about some "old time players".

Please elaborate further on your comments
 


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 03:37:24 AM
WOW! Just WOW!

Just when I thought the level of idiocy and Hypocrisy had reached it's peak, it grows even further.

This whole thread is just WOW!

From someone who seems OBV drunk extolling the righteousness of shouting and high fiveing after a suckout to those placing certain "old school" players on pedestals when at the base of those pedestals is a foundation of pure filth.


LOL at all of you aside from Reddog and Tank.

Do the rest of you not even have noses to smell the chest high stink you are swimming in?







I know probably as much as you on " the pedestal of filth" which poker has been based on for a very long time. Check my comments on THM forum about J Chans win. I am certainly under no illusion about some "old time players".

Please elaborate further on your comments
 

If you managed to squeeze in a few words of sanity in this thread, then I apologize if the general LOL hit you. After looking at the 1st 3 pages of this thread I gave up, in disgust,  reading every response.

I vaguely recall a few things on THM forum about old time players. Yes, I find it laughable that certain "heros of the game" are held up as pillars of poker society. That also appies  for a lot of what might be considered "UK heros." My point is, it's hard to take any argument seriously (for either side) when at its' base there is either an astounding naievity or ignorance of history. Getting sponsored and waving a seemingly clean flag these days does not clean the past IMO.

Additionaly, hearing arguments for daft celebrations from those who normally criticize yanks for the same is ironic at the least.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 03:42:45 AM
HaHa! I thought this style of OP seemed familiar.

Bringer of such gems as "the standard of live poker"

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=17549.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=17549.0)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 03:46:14 AM
So do you have an opinion regarding the subject of the thread Mr Yank, or do you only have opinions about other peoples opinions?

Please bear in mind that this has, so far, been a civil and good humoured debate.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 04:03:55 AM
WOW! Just WOW!

Just when I thought the level of idiocy and Hypocrisy had reached it's peak, it grows even further.

This whole thread is just WOW!

From someone who seems OBV drunk extolling the righteousness of shouting and high fiveing after a suckout to those placing certain "old school" players on pedestals when at the base of those pedestals is a foundation of pure filth.


LOL at all of you aside from Reddog and Tank.

Do the rest of you not even have noses to smell the chest high stink you are swimming in?







I know probably as much as you on " the pedestal of filth" which poker has been based on for a very long time. Check my comments on THM forum about J Chans win. I am certainly under no illusion about some "old time players".

Please elaborate further on your comments
 



Additionaly, hearing arguments for daft celebrations from those who normally criticize yanks for the same is ironic at the least.
I thought they said Yanks didnt understand irony  ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 04:07:27 AM
So do you have an opinion regarding the subject of the thread Mr Yank, or do you only have opinions about other peoples opinions?

I think my opinion on this has been well known for years now. I make a lot of noise talking, singing, and joking at the table but you would be hardpressed to come up with more than a handfull of suckout celbrations or massive needlings of those I didn't have a significant history with.

Quote from: MADYANK 4 years ago
As for the 750..I saw the final table from 6 players out and Lucy just crushed them on her way to victory. She annihilated KK with AJ. Then did the same several hands later to KK, this time with the ever potent 88. Once 4 handed there were 2 short stacked guys, an average stacked woman and Lucy with 50% of the chips after her rampages. The other woman knocked out one of the guys and then ran herself into Lucy's wall of destruction and knocked herself out. This left Lucy with about 90% of the chips and one short stacked guy left.

Now for an editorial break....Class in competitions..ALMOST .EVERYONE could use a few lessons.....especially some of the newer players. Now this guy finished second (obviously) but from when I started watchin (6 out) he was always the low stack and just got bumped up to 2nd by standing by as Lucy tore thru the field. Ok maybe there is some skill to that tactic or recognition, but lets have some class buddy!!! Everytime another player got knocked out he was dancing around (with his mates sweating the event) with a great 'look at me' grin on his face. Now obviously this was a VERY big score

for him (I think 2nd paid over 20K) but it was unnecessary for both him , AND the 2nd last girl out to do 'dances of glory' when other players were knocked out and knocked out by long distance draws as well. To her continuing credit, Lucy remained emotionless, almost surgical, in her demeanor as she cruised to victory, softening the blows of the outdraws with graciousness. But back to this guy, I don't think his intentions were to 'rub people down' but Jesus man, it doesn't take a clinical physcologist to realize that you dancing a jig and high fiving your mates is not the most sensitive of things to be doing as someone (who was trying to WIN) exits whilst you sit there and muck, muck, muck, long ago surrendering any chance at victory. OK Thus ends the sermon.
This be a segment from a trip report/article I wrote in 2003 about a vic festival...full article here...http://www.gutshot.com/e/article.php?full=72&limitb=0&limitt=61&show=s&ckbox=a&search=madyank (http://www.gutshot.com/e/article.php?full=72&limitb=0&limitt=61&show=s&ckbox=a&search=madyank)

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Please bear in mind that this has, so far, been a civil and good humoured debate.

O RLY? And what might thee be alluding to?

 I understand this is "blondeland" and thus blondish rules/mood applies. That said, when someone says something absolutely ridiculous/indefensible perhaps a smack dose of reality is just the medicine.

I'm not sure if we've met or not, but from what snoops/Jen say about you, I'd like you and respect you and nothing I've ever seen you write on this board has made me think otherwise. That said, they along with TK along with a bunch of others who I have met from blonde will tell you that with me "what you get is what you see." I don't piss about. If I like you, you feel well liked and can't mistake it. On the other hand, if I think someone is an idiot or "acting the idiot" then they also know about it sharpishly. There is almost nothing that I write on a forum that I wouldn't say in person face to face. (Well perhaps I'd shy away from the TK "old as Moses" jokes)

I realize that recently I have come across as incredibly blunt (perhaps bordering on rude). If that has offended any unintentionlly, than I apologize. OK perhaps I'll soften the bluntess a bit, but I'll never spew sugar water for the sake of spewing. It just aint me.

Happy Martin Luther King Day (Oh wait! You guys don't have that holiday)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 04:12:41 AM
I recall one cash game at Caesar’s Palace where Mad Yanks foes refused to believe that he was from the good ol’ U of K. In retaliation, he announced that next time he raised he’d sing ‘Rule Britannia’ to prove his patriotism. And, on the very next hand, would you Adam and Eve it… Aces!!

Naturally, he re-raised all-in and, as promised commenced singing of ‘Rule Britannia’. With his hands waving about in the air and his curly tache twitching to the vocal notes being produced beneath it, he must have appeared quite mad. Convinced of his madness, his opponent duly paid him off.

Feigning insanity, what a great way to earn money.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 04:18:44 AM
I recall one cash game at Caesar’s Palace where Mad Yanks foes refused to believe that he was from the good ol’ U of K. In retaliation, he announced that next time he raised he’d sing ‘Rule Britannia’ to prove his patriotism. And, on the very next hand, would you Adam and Eve it… Aces!!

Naturally, he re-raised all-in and, as promised commenced singing of ‘Rule Britannia’. With his hands waving about in the air and his curly tache twitching to the vocal notes being produced beneath it, he must have appeared quite mad. Convinced of his madness, his opponent duly paid him off.

Feigning insanity, what a great way to earn money.


Ah Yes! This would be the same game in which you feigned shynesss and got other random drunk yank to payoff your Qs full with a flushdraw. I think we should get back to that game quickish...Howz next weds for ya Snoops?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 04:19:54 AM
So do you have an opinion regarding the subject of the thread Mr Yank, or do you only have opinions about other peoples opinions?

I think my opinion on this has been well known for years now. I make a lot of noise talking, singing, and joking at the table but you would be hardpressed to come up with more than a handfull of suckout celbrations or massive needlings of those I didn't have a significant history with.

Quote from: MADYANK 4 years ago
As for the 750..I saw the final table from 6 players out and Lucy just crushed them on her way to victory. She annihilated KK with AJ. Then did the same several hands later to KK, this time with the ever potent 88. Once 4 handed there were 2 short stacked guys, an average stacked woman and Lucy with 50% of the chips after her rampages. The other woman knocked out one of the guys and then ran herself into Lucy's wall of destruction and knocked herself out. This left Lucy with about 90% of the chips and one short stacked guy left.

Now for an editorial break....Class in competitions..ALMOST .EVERYONE could use a few lessons.....especially some of the newer players. Now this guy finished second (obviously) but from when I started watchin (6 out) he was always the low stack and just got bumped up to 2nd by standing by as Lucy tore thru the field. Ok maybe there is some skill to that tactic or recognition, but lets have some class buddy!!! Everytime another player got knocked out he was dancing around (with his mates sweating the event) with a great 'look at me' grin on his face. Now obviously this was a VERY big score

for him (I think 2nd paid over 20K) but it was unnecessary for both him , AND the 2nd last girl out to do 'dances of glory' when other players were knocked out and knocked out by long distance draws as well. To her continuing credit, Lucy remained emotionless, almost surgical, in her demeanor as she cruised to victory, softening the blows of the outdraws with graciousness. But back to this guy, I don't think his intentions were to 'rub people down' but Jesus man, it doesn't take a clinical physcologist to realize that you dancing a jig and high fiving your mates is not the most sensitive of things to be doing as someone (who was trying to WIN) exits whilst you sit there and muck, muck, muck, long ago surrendering any chance at victory. OK Thus ends the sermon.
This be a segment from a trip report/article I wrote in 2003 about a vic festival...full article here...http://www.gutshot.com/e/article.php?full=72&limitb=0&limitt=61&show=s&ckbox=a&search=madyank (http://www.gutshot.com/e/article.php?full=72&limitb=0&limitt=61&show=s&ckbox=a&search=madyank)

Quote
Please bear in mind that this has, so far, been a civil and good humoured debate.

O RLY? And what might thee be alluding to?

 I understand this is "blondeland" and thus blondish rules/mood applies. That said, when someone says something absolutely ridiculous/indefensible perhaps a smack dose of reality is just the medicine.

I'm not sure if we've met or not, but from what snoops/Jen say about you, I'd like you and respect you and nothing I've ever seen you write on this board has made me think otherwise. That said, they along with TK along with a bunch of others who I have met from blonde will tell you that with me "what you get is what you see." I don't piss about. If I like you, you feel well liked and can't mistake it. On the other hand, if I think someone is an idiot or "acting the idiot" then they also know about it sharpishly. There is almost nothing that I write on a forum that I wouldn't say in person face to face. (Well perhaps I'd shy away from the TK "old as Moses" jokes)

I realize that recently I have come across as incredibly blunt (perhaps bordering on rude). If that has offended any unintentionlly, than I apologize. OK perhaps I'll soften the bluntess a bit, but I'll never spew sugar water for the sake of spewing. It just aint me.

Happy Martin Luther King Day (Oh wait! You guys don't have that holiday)
LMFAO , I just checked the HM poker data base to see who came second to Lucy in the 750 tourny at the Vic, It was Barny Boatman. Then I noticed she had won another 750 at the Vic and realised it was this one Ron was referring too as Pippa Flanders came 3rd. Made me laugh for a while though


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 04:25:10 AM
Yes, I did see your post as a tad blunt. Apparently you saw it too so I can't have been that far wide of the mark.  /:-|

I don't know who you are in the real world, so I'm not familier with your opinions on this subject. I'm off to click your link now, perhaps I'll come back enlightend.

PS- I will make do without the sugar water, if you promise not to give me a smack dose of anything else  ;)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 04:29:27 AM
LMFAO , I just checked the HM poker data base to see who came second to Lucy in the 750 tourny at the Vic, It was Barny Boatman. Then I noticed she had won another 750 at the Vic and realised it was this one Ron was referring too as Pippa Flanders came 3rd. Made me laugh for a while though

UGGH! Thanks for bringing up a painful memory!

The 750 that went Lucy 1st Barny 2nd had an interesting tale for me as well.

11 players left, Lucy chip leader and me 2nd chipleader and the other 9 stacks in a distant valley below.
All fold to me in the SB. (Lucy is in the BB) I pick up 7c 8c.  I push AI. She snap calls with AKo. ARRRRRRRRRGH!

FLOP 46J
COuld I improve on my 10 outer? of course not!

She goes to the FT massive chipleader and blew over the other 9. ARRRRRG! I win that pot and I blow thru the rest.
Twas an amusing tournament that only her or I could have won. She won, I finished 11th. She's a legend and now I'm a ranting Yank. Go figure? >:?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 04:37:30 AM
Now I know who you are!

I shared a table with you once at the gutshot and sat back to back with you once at the Vic. (shudder)


Joking aside, you are loud and "in your face" but thats more evident as table talk/banter than rubdown or inappropriate celebration.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2007, 05:00:29 AM
Could this be he?...  ;angel;

(http://www.blondepoker.com/files/images/CIMG1408_0.JPG)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 05:25:03 AM
Could this be he?...  ;angel;

(http://www.blondepoker.com/files/images/CIMG1408_0.JPG)

Wait! Am I the pretty one or the one with the funny facial hair?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Swordpoker on January 16, 2007, 08:09:42 AM
Just caught up with this thread. Great debate.

As a fencer, I am usual very vocal when I win a fight - especially when I've scored a fluke. It's an adrenaline release and a celebration of my good fortune. It is always followed up, however, by shaking hands with my opponent and generally showing respect.

There's a big difference between celebrating and rubbing your opponent's nose in it, in my opinion. Whooping and cheering in celebration is perfectly fine just as long as you don't cross the line into trying to make the other guy feel bad.

Of course, there are times when I have celebrated winning and my opponent has DECIDED to take offense from it. In that case, I believe that is entirely his problem and I have little sympathy.





Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: boldie on January 16, 2007, 10:46:32 AM
Only just found the thread and I have to say all the whooping and high-fiving irritates me no end.

If I lose a pot I am quiet. If I win a pot I am just as quiet. I have no time for people who celebrate either sucking out or winning a pot if they go around shouting and all that.
Someone who's genuinely relieved at staying in a tourney or having his aces hold up could let that be known of course but as soon as the shouting and whooping/banging on the table starts I lose all respect for those players.

It's the same with insulting people and the rooting overzealously in the chatbox online. I don't mind supporting players online but never with an Ayyaaaar or ship it (or even worse..insulting another player to show "support" for the one you like). It will always be with a "nice hand, or well played" (in some cases...come on you monkey!)

I think it is essentially disrespectful to the other player to do it. If you remember that everytime you win a pot someone else loses one, especially in a cash game. If you suck out in a cash game and then start whooping you really should learn some manners. You just got very lucky and essentially mugged someone of his cash..show some respect when that happens, it'll go a long way.

In all tourneys I play whether they'd be online or live I always remember the players that are loud and (in my opinion) obnoxious. I remember the plays they make and what they do when they hold a big hand or they bluff. Whooping and holloring only draws more attention to you and poker is a game where you essentially want to win without everyone going "Look out for him! he does this and he does that when he holds this".
You want to sneak into the money and win the thing quietly.

People also tend to respect you more when you are a good winner and a good loser. I don't particularly want/need people to like me when I am playing poker, but I think respect from a good player is just about the biggest gift he can give you. (after his money obviously)

Just my two pence.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: NEVES on January 16, 2007, 12:29:21 PM
 :goodpost:


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I, Zimbra on January 16, 2007, 12:55:02 PM
Can we not draw a distinction between:

the behaviour of the railbirds supporting 'their man'

and

the behaviour of the player in the tournament

in this debate?

(Perhaps this is a devil's advocate ploy, I am thinking of Tank's comment re: hypocrisy from a few pages back)




Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Swordpoker on January 16, 2007, 01:06:32 PM
Can we not draw a distinction between:

the behaviour of the railbirds supporting 'their man'

and

the behaviour of the player in the tournament

in this debate?

(Perhaps this is a devil's advocate ploy, I am thinking of Tank's comment re: hypocrisy from a few pages back)




Fair point.

My opinion is kinda the same for both though. It's down to the intention.

Whooping and cheering to celebrate your mates good fortune is fine. Doing it with the intention of upsetting an opponent is uncalled for.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Acidmouse on January 16, 2007, 01:26:08 PM
If someone is caught up in the moment and is geniunly showing emotion thats fine, you can do it in such a way that its not in the losing persons face.

Over celebrating vocally is different, I have never signed up to this behaviour I think it lacks class tbh.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 02:27:53 PM
Right even though i consider myself to have very good discipline both online and live i can see why people perhaps would step over the line. I play my poker based on 2 major rules

1) To make as few as mistakes as possible
2) To gain an ede over your opponents.

And its rule 2 that would give rise to the debating topic. If you honestly feel behaving like an idiot at the table, bad mouthing people, celebrating suckouts (major and obvious example, Tony G), gives you an advantage at your table then you should be allowed to do it. Boldie made a very good point about this drawing more attention to your cards and how you play them. This is very true but only if you are a NOVICE at the game. The more informed player would understand that the others hae seen the him raise with 10 8os to 3 and a half times BB in late position and will next time make the same play with a premium hand. After all switching gears and plays must be considered to be the norm!
So must it not be considered as another form of SKILL? TO ACT LIKE AN MORON SUCCESSFULY AND GET PAYED!!!!!!

I must point out again this is not how i play, but i can be open eyed to understanding why people are doing it. And im sorry to say then if you are you are not psychologically strong enough to take that then perhaps the problem lies witin you and not the abusive player. It is all well and good being a gentleman but if there is another form or style of play that would increase your bankroll then i would encourage anyone to persue it (p.s. not saying that acting like abusive and name caling is THE most successful way of playing but if its works for an individual then carry on!)

And if we are to believe what the Gutshot and other cardrooms are trying to prove is true. That poker is a game of skill and therefore considered a sport then you have to be psychologically tough enoughto compete. I myself am a rugby player and know (from practrise) that if i am not willing to take the biggest hit from the largest opposing player then i really shouldt be playing rugby!!! (wish my bones would hurry up and heal!!!!!!)

 Ks KingPoker Ks   


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I, Zimbra on January 16, 2007, 03:00:55 PM
It is true that tournament poker carries an awful lot of skill, but in the short term there is a LOT of luck, and being in-their-face to someone when you've just gotten lucky on a single hand could still be legitimately considered inappropriate behaviour, mainly because everyone gets their money in in bad spots from time to time, even the best players, and need the luck.

Recognising that the shoe could easily be on the other foot - and probably will, for everyone, before the tournament is out - and behaving appropriately is something I would term as classy, I think the adjective is an apt one.

So, if it's an uncontrollable release of adrenaline a la Jac-O-"Ram-ya!" then I suppose that's something that one could take, but the players now high-fiving the rail while the tournament is still going, that's... well.... something else. Not sure that it's good for the game, really.

(Mind you, didn't Chip Reese kinda do it to Andy Bloch at the final of the $50k HORSE...? ::) )


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 03:01:51 PM
In a game of complete skill I can just about make out an argument for being able to do big displays of SHIP IT HOLLA if I have shown myself to be better than my opponent, an opponent who had form for the same sort of thing.

For example, if I'd beaten TonyG at chess, and he'd been giving it the usual mouth during the match then, yeah, I might return it with interest at the end. I wouldn't do it to someone like Red-Dog.

However, there never is this huge gulf of skill in a poker hand. Running about and high-fiving your friends when a randomly shuffled pack of cards happens to produce a particular card on the river as opposed to any of the others make you seem like, well, a bit of a knob.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 03:04:33 PM
In a game of complete skill I can just about make out an argument for being able to do big displays of SHIP IT HOLLA if I have shown myself to be better than my opponent, an opponent who had form for the same sort of thing.

For example, if I'd beaten TonyG at chess, and he'd been giving it the usual mouth during the match then, yeah, I might return it with interest at the end. I wouldn't do it to someone like Red-Dog.

However, there never is this huge gulf of skill in a poker hand. Running about and high-fiving your friends when a randomly shuffled pack of cards happens to produce a particular card on the river as opposed to any of the others make you seem like, well, a bit of a knob.

when a randomly shuffled pack of cards happens to produce a particular card on the river as opposed to any of the others make you seem like, well, a bit of a knob.


Beautifuly put Sir!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I, Zimbra on January 16, 2007, 03:06:18 PM
I agree, I like Andrew's post better than mine. :D


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:06:55 PM
but my argument is not how that makes you look jumping around but the effect on the other player. It HAS to have a negative effect on the player which is positive for you. Its not a physical game, its psycological,so you should be psychologically tough and therefore whatever he does should not affect you one bit! Surely thats what seperates the losers from the winners!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
I agree, I like Andrew's post better than mine. :D

WHOA, YEAH!!! IN YOUR FACE OTHER POSTERS!!!!

*runs round board with shirt over head*


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU  ;ifm;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 03:16:52 PM
I think "Bit of a knob" should be shortened to "Boak" and inducted into poker language as a technical term.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 03:18:16 PM
but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU  ;ifm;

Well, with respect, if the guy has been busted by a suckout, one can hoot & holler & table-bang all night & it ain't gonna affect his game now.....so how does that square with your logic? Is it still OK to do it - 'cos they do, believe me, they do.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 03:23:21 PM
but my argument is not how that makes you look jumping around but the effect on the other player. It HAS to have a negative effect on the player which is positive for you. Its not a physical game, its psycological,so you should be psychologically tough and therefore whatever he does should not affect you one bit! Surely thats what seperates the losers from the winners!

Why must it have a negative effect?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU  ;ifm;

Well, with respect, if the guy has been busted by a suckout, one can hoot & holler & table-bang all night & it ain't gonna affect his game now.....so how does that square with your logic? Is it still OK to do it - 'cos they do, believe me, they do.

Thats very tru tk but my argument is more centred around during the game. The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand, it just has to apply to one that could potentially turn the game around for each of the players. With the playing suffering surely it makes sense to keep on at him to force him to possibly give you the rest of their chips.

p.s I dont know why im defending it so much. I am a player who is about as opposite as you can get from them!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I, Zimbra on January 16, 2007, 03:24:57 PM
King,

Not everybody views the game in that way though.

The game isn't "who can insult the other player the most to put them on tilt", although some people try to employ that weapon.

You can tilt someone up just fine and still lose. You can try and tilt them up and actually make them more determined to beat you.

There are very few competitive endeavours where this kind of behaviour is acceptable; tennis players don't generally go high-fiving the crowd when they get a lucky net-court, for example. Actually, quite the opposite - they usually hold their hand up to acknowledge the fact that they got lucky and 'didn't deserve' the point. Similarly, when a player mis-tosses the tennis ball and has to abort a serve halfway through, there is usually a tacit apology for that as well, as their opponent has probably been put off guard by it.

Yet tennis still has a huge psychological component to it, look at a player like Marat Safin as an example of someone who is technically gifted but who arguably has underachieved as a player because of his (lack of) mental composure.

If this kind of behaviour - over-celebrating a single lucky hand - were eliminated from poker, I reckon it would go some way to giving tournament poker more "sporting" credibility than it currently has.



Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:25:35 PM
but my argument is not how that makes you look jumping around but the effect on the other player. It HAS to have a negative effect on the player which is positive for you. Its not a physical game, its psycological,so you should be psychologically tough and therefore whatever he does should not affect you one bit! Surely thats what seperates the losers from the winners!

Why must it have a negative effect?

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 03:30:36 PM
but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU  ;ifm;

Well, with respect, if the guy has been busted by a suckout, one can hoot & holler & table-bang all night & it ain't gonna affect his game now.....so how does that square with your logic? Is it still OK to do it - 'cos they do, believe me, they do.

Thats very tru tk but my argument is more centred around during the game. The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand, it just has to apply to one that could potentially turn the game around for each of the players. With the playing suffering surely it makes sense to keep on at him to force him to possibly give you the rest of their chips.

p.s I dont know why im defending it so much. I am a player who is about as opposite as you can get from them!

 It is when a guy has been busted by a suckout that I really loathe the hollerers.

And I KNOW you don't do it. You are an APAT man......

PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:32:18 PM
King,

Not everybody views the game in that way though.

The game isn't "who can insult the other player the most to put them on tilt", although some people try to employ that weapon.

You can tilt someone up just fine and still lose. You can try and tilt them up and actually make them more determined to beat you.

There are very few competitive endeavours where this kind of behaviour is acceptable; tennis players don't generally go high-fiving the crowd when they get a lucky net-court, for example. Actually, quite the opposite - they usually hold their hand up to acknowledge the fact that they got lucky and 'didn't deserve' the point. Similarly, when a player mis-tosses the tennis ball and has to abort a serve halfway through, there is usually a tacit apology for that as well, as their opponent has probably been put off guard by it.

Yet tennis still has a huge psychological component to it, look at a player like Marat Safin as an example of someone who is technically gifted but who arguably has underachieved as a player because of his (lack of) mental composure.

If this kind of behaviour - over-celebrating a single lucky hand - were eliminated from poker, I reckon it would go some way to giving tournament poker more "sporting" credibility than it currently has.



yes true but the trouble tennis unlike poker has physical factors which can be applied.
If you get a lucky net court its not just luck, your physial attributes can be said to have added to it.
There is now concise way of putting a % on hitting a lucky net but there is on hitting a x amount of cards. Poker losses can not be put down not putting enough backspin or forehand into a shot. In tennis it is still possible to win through maintaining your physical skills. But in poker it is all behavioural. If you cant focus you wont win!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 03:32:52 PM


PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?


One day I will explain to you the subtle difference between "Missing" and "Avoiding"


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 03:34:38 PM
The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand,

Which is exactly the type of hand I'd expect a boak to have. :)

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them

Shouting and hollering is also just as likely to have a negative effect on an opponent at Wimbledon, or in snooker. But if you did, you'd get penalised for it. Why?

Is it to protect the fragile temperment of your opponent?

Is it to ensure that the game is played on a level a playing field as possible?

Or is it that over-the-top celebrations make you look like a boak and no sport's governing body wants their sport full of boaks.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:35:13 PM
It is when a guy has been busted by a suckout that I really loathe the hollerers.

And I KNOW you don't do it. You are an APAT man......

PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?


Yeh she's missin you. Hopefully if we get in for the welsh one u will see her again. FROM A DISTANCE THOUGH :redcard:


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 03:36:58 PM

I like this "boak" stuff, it's caught on already. I'll try it out at Luton.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I, Zimbra on January 16, 2007, 03:37:50 PM
But in poker it is all behavioural. If you cant focus you wont win!

The natural extrapolation of this behaviour: each hand will take half an hour just for the players to get through the insults, moodies and the pissing contests, people will forget there's actually cards to be looked at and chips to be moved... eventually once everyone has indulged in this 'psychological warfare', they will groundskin to the big blind who will go and high five the rail... "Yeah Baby! I won the small blind, coz they're too ALL TOO SCARED TO MESS WITH ME! YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 03:38:05 PM


PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?


One day I will explain to you the subtle difference between "Missing" and "Avoiding"

Well her fella say's she's missing me. It's understandable.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 03:38:51 PM
The suckout does not specifically have to apply to a knockout hand,

Which is exactly the type of hand I'd expect a boak to have. :)

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them

Shouting and hollering is also just as likely to have a negative effect on an opponent at Wimbledon, or in snooker. But if you did, you'd get penalised for it. Why?

Is it to protect the fragile temperment of your opponent?

Is it to ensure that the game is played on a level a playing field as possible?

Or is it that over-the-top celebrations make you look like a boak and no sport's governing body wants their sport full of boaks.

 ;applause; ;applause; ;applause;

And the post of the year award goes to AndrewT (again) for excellent incorporation of the acronym of the year BOAK


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:42:11 PM
The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand,

Which is exactly the type of hand I'd expect a boak to have. :)

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them


Shouting and hollering is also just as likely to have a negative effect on an opponent at Wimbledon, or in snooker. But if you did, you'd get penalised for it. Why?

Is it to protect the fragile temperment of your opponent?

Is it to ensure that the game is played on a level a playing field as possible?

Or is it that over-the-top celebrations make you look like a boak and no sport's governing body wants their sport full of boaks.

Every sport has their over the top celebreties- EVERY SPORT!! They just wont be controlled. Im not justifying why they do it im just it DOES have an effect. And if you cant take it you should play! I dont doubt it makes them look like the biggest C**TS i the world. I just feel that unlike a football match the referree cant watch very table so it comes down to the dealer and he should have the right to interpret if it is personal abuse or banter! Onb the self dealt tables it muct come down to the players on the table. But in evry single sport there are things that go on that the majority of people dont agree with but it does undoubtedly give that player/team edge.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:45:21 PM
But in poker it is all behavioural. If you cant focus you wont win!

The natural extrapolation of this behaviour: each hand will take half an hour just for the players to get through the insults, moodies and the pissing contests, people will forget there's actually cards to be looked at and chips to be moved... eventually once everyone has indulged in this 'psychological warfare', they will groundskin to the big blind who will go and high five the rail... "Yeah Baby! I won the small blind, coz they're too ALL TOO SCARED TO MESS WITH ME! YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"

You are being a little bit OTT there.
Surely you can realise that you only have to affect ONE player at you table to give you a massive advantage!!!!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I, Zimbra on January 16, 2007, 03:46:11 PM
This kind of behaviour though, isn't "just a few boaks who whoop and holler".

It is becoming dangerously widespread.

As for OTT? The WSOP Main Event this year seemed from the ESPN coverage I saw, to be non-stop whoopage, hollerage and highfiveage - and I aint convinced it's a good thing.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:48:28 PM
That my friend tho is the US. All gung ho, bravado. They are too thick to realise they are making fools of themselves!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 03:50:27 PM
This kind of behaviour though, isn't "just a few boaks who whoop and holler".

It is becoming dangerously widespread.

As for OTT? The WSOP Main Event this year seemed from the ESPN coverage I saw, to be non-stop whoopage, hollerage and highfiveage - and I aint convinced it's a good thing.

Sadly, it's the "norm" in America, it's deemed to be quite acceptable, but that's their problem.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 03:51:23 PM
Every sport has their over the top celebreties- EVERY SPORT!! They just wont be controlled. Im not justifying why they do it im just it DOES have an effect. And if you cant take it you should play! I dont doubt it makes them look like the biggest C**TS i the world. I just feel that unlike a football match the referree cant watch very table so it comes down to the dealer and he should have the right to interpret if it is personal abuse or banter! Onb the self dealt tables it muct come down to the players on the table. But in evry single sport there are things that go on that the majority of people dont agree with but it does undoubtedly give that player/team edge.

Whilst some of us may not think highly of boaking, I don't think anyone is advocating banning it or calling for dealers or TDs to take action against boakers.

Speech play and moodies are a different thing, and a different thread.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: TightEnd on January 16, 2007, 03:53:22 PM
If the boaks indulge in too much whoopage do they get whoopage coughs the next morning?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 03:54:42 PM
I never thought I would ever say this but, I would be interested in hearing Slick Kids views on speachplay and pyschology at the table!!

 ;popcorn; ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 03:55:21 PM
If the boaks indulge in too much whoopage do they get whoopage coughs the next morning?

LOL no they get nobitis?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: KingPoker on January 16, 2007, 03:59:42 PM
Every sport has their over the top celebreties- EVERY SPORT!! They just wont be controlled. Im not justifying why they do it im just it DOES have an effect. And if you cant take it you should play! I dont doubt it makes them look like the biggest C**TS i the world. I just feel that unlike a football match the referree cant watch very table so it comes down to the dealer and he should have the right to interpret if it is personal abuse or banter! Onb the self dealt tables it muct come down to the players on the table. But in evry single sport there are things that go on that the majority of people dont agree with but it does undoubtedly give that player/team edge.

Whilst some of us may not think highly of boaking, I don't think anyone is advocating banning it or calling for dealers or TDs to take action against boakers.

But there is where i get slightly pissed off with other poker players and poker in general. Poker players want to a law onto themselves. There are many sports i haven played and in just about every one i can say a rule that has been implimented to help cut out a certain "flaw" in the game to help it improve for both the spectators and the players. If something or someone does wrong its more like a court case than a disciplinary hearing with loopholes being found and a twised version of the rules being put forward. Is it things like this which can be said to seperate pker from being a sport!

Speech play and moodies are a different thing, and a different thread.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Rod Paradise on January 16, 2007, 04:05:02 PM
I think "Bit of a knob" should be shortened to "Boak" and inducted into poker language as a technical term.

Please note that in Scots to boak is to throw up, or nearly throw up (the dry boak). Pretty much what boaks make you want to do.....


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 04:07:37 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2007, 04:11:03 PM

Additional popcorn has been ordered.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 04:12:50 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

We always called that (Dry heave) "Bork"

Anyway, boak is a poker term now, I've patented it.



Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 04:14:27 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

We always called that (Dry heave) "Bork"

Anyway, boak is a poker term now, I've patented it.



It is "Bork" but spelt Baulk.

Nice work Tom on your new invention.  Very impressed  :)up


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Rod Paradise on January 16, 2007, 04:14:45 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 04:15:04 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Baulk is a bit of a snooker table where you get to put the white after a foul.

The WPBSA are happy with baulks.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 04:15:32 PM

Additional popcorn has been ordered.

cant eat popcorn through my crashhelmet visa............

anyway im off to copenhagen away from the wrath of khan yank


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Eck on January 16, 2007, 04:16:40 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

http://www.firstfoot.com/php/glossary/phpglossar_0.8/index.php?letter=b

Happy to help, there's a few brammers here.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: boldie on January 16, 2007, 04:18:33 PM
For those comparing it to other sports...Look at the truly top athletes in their game, Ronaldhino, Henry, Federer . they never whoop and hollar they show true class by doing the magnificent and then just looking around with a look on their face saying "Yes, I'm the daddy. I know it, you know it..and we both know I'll do it again"

They never go completely nuts and are true gentlemen when it comes to respecting their opponents..that for me is what class is all about.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 04:21:30 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 04:23:21 PM
For those comparing it to other sports...Look at the truly top athletes in their game, Ronaldhino, Henry, Federer . they never whoop and hollar they show true class by doing the magnificent and then just looking around with a look on their face saying "Yes, I'm the daddy. I know it, you know it..and we both know I'll do it again"

They never go completely nuts and are true gentlemen when it comes to respecting their opponents..that for me is what class is all about.

John McEnroe? Alex Higgins?

Top of their respective games - frequently went completely nuts and showed lack of respect for their opponents.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 04:23:49 PM
Boak can be used as a verb....

He's awa' boaking in the sink.

an adjective........

Them bogs are pure boaking min.

and a noun.....

Och min, I've got boak clouted all o'er me

I was away boaking in the sink, them bogs are pure boaking by the way, and now I'm totally covered in boak.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 04:25:47 PM
For those comparing it to other sports...Look at the truly top athletes in their game, Ronaldhino, Henry, Federer . they never whoop and hollar they show true class by doing the magnificent and then just looking around with a look on their face saying "Yes, I'm the daddy. I know it, you know it..and we both know I'll do it again"

They never go completely nuts and are true gentlemen when it comes to respecting their opponents..that for me is what class is all about.
feder fist pumps

henry thinks he is just turning away when he goes to the corner flag and starts dancing like some soul man with adebayor

ronaldhnio celebrates with the biggest LOOK AT ME  celebration i have ever seen
i wish he wouldnt he scares the kids when hee looks at  the camera


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 04:26:09 PM

John McEnroe? Alex Higgins?

Top of their respective games - frequently went completely nuts and showed lack of respect for their opponents.



Which helped them become household names outside of their respective sports.

With behaving like a nutter, comes notoriety, and through that cash. Your mum won't be happy though.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: boldie on January 16, 2007, 04:27:26 PM
For those comparing it to other sports...Look at the truly top athletes in their game, Ronaldhino, Henry, Federer . they never whoop and hollar they show true class by doing the magnificent and then just looking around with a look on their face saying "Yes, I'm the daddy. I know it, you know it..and we both know I'll do it again"

They never go completely nuts and are true gentlemen when it comes to respecting their opponents..that for me is what class is all about.

John McEnroe? Alex Higgins?

Top of their respective games - frequently went completely nuts and showed lack of respect for their opponents.

yep..but that's the difference between a class act and someone who isn't a class act IMO, being on top of your game doesn't mean you have class.

I am OK with a fist pump by Federer, or a look at me smile by Ronaldhino..it's the disrespect for opponents that shows a lack of class.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 04:28:17 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;

There is no reason why a word can't have two meanings, it's quite common. Take "knob" for instance. (not that I'm suggesting that you do...)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 04:31:02 PM
For those comparing it to other sports...Look at the truly top athletes in their game, Ronaldhino, Henry, Federer . they never whoop and hollar they show true class by doing the magnificent and then just looking around with a look on their face saying "Yes, I'm the daddy. I know it, you know it..and we both know I'll do it again"

They never go completely nuts and are true gentlemen when it comes to respecting their opponents..that for me is what class is all about.

John McEnroe? Alex Higgins?

Top of their respective games - frequently went completely nuts and showed lack of respect for their opponents.

yep..but that's the difference between a class act and someone who isn't a class act IMO, being on top of your game doesn't mean you have class.

I am OK with a fist pump by Federer, or a look at me smile by Ronaldhino..it's the disrespect for opponents that shows a lack of class.

I know what the difference between class and no class is. I read your post as saying one of the reasons why Henry, Federer et al were the best at what they do was because of their class (truly top athletes = class acts).

I was just showing that is not necessarily the case.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Rod Paradise on January 16, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;

There is no reason why a word can't have two meanings, it's quite common. Take "knob" for instance. (not that I'm suggesting that you do...)

I'm happy with it being used - like you say words have many meanings. I think the Scots meaning adds to the effectiveness of it :D


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 04:32:13 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;

There is no reason why a word can't have two meanings, it's quite common. Take "knob" for instance. (not that I'm suggesting that you do...)

Indeed.

Anyway, English has a long tradition of incorporating words from ancient, barbarian languages.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 04:34:11 PM
The boak won the hand, it was a really boak beat.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 04:35:34 PM
The boak won the hand, it was a really boak beat.

Matey Boy V Boak. Watch out for fireworks!!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 04:36:35 PM
You've bokked it now.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 04:36:41 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;

There is no reason why a word can't have two meanings, it's quite common. Take "knob" for instance. (not that I'm suggesting that you do...)

Indeed.

Anyway, English has a long tradition of incorporating words from ancient, barbarian languages.

Red card or Andrew! I for one am personally grateful that we have come to an arrangement with our cousins from across the border on the sharing of the word boak!  Red - There indeed will be no knob taking from me  8)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Rod Paradise on January 16, 2007, 04:36:56 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;

There is no reason why a word can't have two meanings, it's quite common. Take "knob" for instance. (not that I'm suggesting that you do...)

Indeed.

Anyway, English has a long tradition of incorporating words from ancient, barbarian languages.
;nemesis; Like from the Germans and French you are really descended from? ;m3boy;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 16, 2007, 04:37:37 PM
The boak won the hand, it was a really boak beat.

Matey Boy V Boak. Watch out for fireworks!!

Mateyboak borked by bokker. You say that with your mouth full of rasberry sherbet.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 04:42:02 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;
take ti you missed the middle posts about your cash gane collusion i havent had a nasty text chil.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 04:46:00 PM
Rod, isn't that Baulk?

Nope, that's to hesitate or stop, refuse to do something.

Boak is to upchuck (see link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_slang_words#B))

From whoopin & hollerin to Scottish etymology... only on blonde :D

OK OK I stand corrected.  Sorry.  RED-DOG you cant patent a word that exists in Scottish slang!  ;tracet;
take ti you missed the middle posts about your cash gane collusion i havent had a nasty text chil.

On the contrary, I just don't resort to nastiness


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: quantify on January 16, 2007, 04:47:50 PM
frosty


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2007, 04:53:42 PM
Anyway, English has a long tradition of incorporating words from ancient, barbarian languages.

;nemesis; Like from the Germans and French you are really descended from? ;m3boy;

Ja, ma petite fleur écossaise.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Royal Flush on January 16, 2007, 04:57:04 PM
There indeed will be no knob taking from me  8)

Thousands of blondites dreams are crushed in 1 sentence.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
Anyway, English has a long tradition of incorporating words from ancient, barbarian languages.

;nemesis; Like from the Germans and French you are really descended from? ;m3boy;

Ja, ma petite fleur écossaise.

Garage, cafe. (That's all the French I know)


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Chili on January 16, 2007, 05:06:37 PM
There indeed will be no knob taking from me  8)

Thousands of blondites dreams are crushed in 1 sentence.


 :o ;D  :o

I wished that was your 10,000 post!!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 16, 2007, 08:07:11 PM
  ;popcorn; ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 08:13:54 PM
I blame the popcorn smiley.  ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 08:28:39 PM
I blame the popcorn smiley.  ;popcorn;

Well truth to be told, it really doesn't help.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: boldie on January 16, 2007, 08:29:10 PM
I blame the popcorn smiley.  ;popcorn;

Well truth to be told, it really doesn't help.

Tell me about it...I've gained 5 pounds since they put that sodding thing up.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Royal Flush on January 16, 2007, 08:36:35 PM
I blame the popcorn smiley.  ;popcorn;

Well truth to be told, it really doesn't help.

Tell me about it...I've gained 5 pounds since they put that sodding thing up.

lol PMSL.

I think it helps a bit Red, when i see people posting after i have said something with a popcorn smiley it makes me feel a bit stupid and childish.

SAVE THE POPCORN!


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2007, 08:39:07 PM
I blame the popcorn smiley.  ;popcorn;

Well truth to be told, it really doesn't help.

Tell me about it...I've gained 5 pounds since they put that sodding thing up.

lol PMSL.

I think it helps a bit Red, when i see people posting after i have said something with a popcorn smiley it makes me feel a bit stupid and childish.



 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: Royal Flush on January 16, 2007, 08:41:51 PM
I blame the popcorn smiley.  ;popcorn;

Well truth to be told, it really doesn't help.

Tell me about it...I've gained 5 pounds since they put that sodding thing up.

lol PMSL.

I think it helps a bit Red, when i see people posting after i have said something with a popcorn smiley it makes me feel a bit stupid and childish.



 ;popcorn;

:D

Also its about the only thing i have pushed into blonde posting circulation, other than insta-call.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 08:42:49 PM
It's offical inclusion among the smileys is a subtle hint that Blonde officially sanctions bitchy flame wars.

The moderators only tell you to stop and calm down for show, really they love it, especially Tightend.

Come on everybody, tell us how you feel about religion, politics, sex and who you think is a fud ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 08:46:06 PM
It's offical inclusion among the smileys is a subtle hint that Blonde officially sanctions bitchy flame wars.

The moderators only tell you to stop and calm down for show, really they love it, especially Tightend.

Come on everybody, tell us how you feel about religion, politics, sex and who you think is a fud ;popcorn;

What's a "fud?" Is it like a fruit loop? ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 08:47:51 PM
A fruit loop is misguided, a fud is just a c***


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 08:55:15 PM
A fruit loop is misguided, a fud is just a c***

What if you are BOTH misguided and a c***?

Can you be a fruity fud?
Does the alliteration detract from the seriousness of the intended insult?
Will Totenham ever get into UEFA Cup?
Why is illiteracy so prominent on internets forums?

Oh so many questions, so little time...

 ;popcorn; ;popcorn;


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2007, 09:04:55 PM
The prevalance of illiteracy is tiny on internet forums, when compared with the astonishing abundance of arrogance.

You can only be a fruit loop and a fud with a signed letter of permission from a parent.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: TightEnd on January 16, 2007, 09:08:13 PM


The moderators only tell you to stop and calm down for show, really they love it, especially Tightend.


wrong.

mostly.


Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: MadYank on January 16, 2007, 09:10:41 PM
The prevalance of illiteracy is tiny on internet forums, when compared with the astonishing abundance of arrogance.


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Title: Re: whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker
Post by: I KNOW IT on January 17, 2007, 12:46:15 AM
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Got the mates round to watch this one