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Why was that post by MrAlex deleted ?

lol, fascistaments

I deleted it Glenn.  I'm PMing him now.

can all mods please take an hour off so I get to read some of this stuff before it gets deleted? thanks

sigh

i'm in the pub

I've no idea why it was Deleted, or by whom. But I've commented as I saw fit on the Mods Board. I suspect it was done in haste by someone who was a little trigger-happy, not really surprising given the evening's fun.

Probs best to delete this too Dan, don't really want to start a ruck but was pretty amazed at speed and why - seemed a sensible, thinking post to me

Pretty amazing a poster has nearly 2000 posts and I've don't think I've ever read a single one of them before.

Someone accused Tikay of being a drama queen in the other thread. Mr Alex definitely is.

If you want to leave a forum, just go, don't make prima donna "I'm off" posts imo.

It wasn't a rash decision to remove the post.  I've PMd Alex, and I'm sure he'll understand.

Dan has explained on the Mods board, with good logic, why he thought it correct to Delete it.

I'm sure he'll explain further, shortly.

Amen to that.

And surprise, surprise he hasn't gone, "who's online" section of the forum suggests he is still reading blondepoker.

But he didn't want to just leave a forum, he wanted to make a few points of his own, like you and the rest of us do regularly, and then leave. Is that so wrong ?

Maybe I was a little bit harsh.

It's just in 99% of cases I'm off posts are not really that. They are just "look at me and how important I am" posts.

Almost all the posters come back sooner rather than later.

Posters that really leave, just go and post nothing.

Do you really care if they stay or go? Hardly even worth mentioning if you ask me,,,,,,,,,,

Not really.

The place to make comments like his were on the original thread and that is now locked (for good reason).

The Mod who removed it done so for precisely that reason, & you can see his logic.

I was actually considering re-opening the locked thread now. The problem is, half the world will agree. And half will disagree.

It's clear, even by incoming PM's, that many people still have points to make, some of tham valid, some not so. But it's really just going round in circles now I suppose.

So he's not allowed to comment & he's not allowed to explain why he's leaving the forum then?

Let's be honest the whole sorry affair has a lot of people reappraising friendships let alone membership of a forum. I think anyone affected should be allowed their say & if they decide to leave the forum under the current clusterfuck circumstances, then they have a fair call.

So he's not allowed to comment & he's not allowed to explain why he's leaving the forum then?

Let's be honest the whole sorry affair has a lot of people reappraising friendships let alone membership of a forum. I think anyone affected should be allowed their say & if they decide to leave the forum under the current clusterfuck circumstances, then they have a fair call.

I agree, locking the thread is akin to taking your ball home because the others dont want to play the game you want to play.

Not sure what I've missed, but 'friendships' are a funny old thing.  They come and they go.  All going well, everyone here will get past the lot and motor on as friends.  That's my hope anyway.

Missed the 'drama' but 75% of MrAlex's post were in Reverse Sheep threads so i shall miss him  ;D

The place to comment on the issue was/is the thread.

Maybe it should be open, although almost certainly not at 2am when it would be undermodded.

I'll have a friendly bet with you that MrAlex posts again on blondepoker before Christmas.

What odds and amount Keith?

I haven't PM'd Alex so we can win this coup  ;angel;

I think friendly bet means for free.

and now for something completely different Tony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXv8WW3Wjvw

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=two+ronnies+mastermind&aq=2

Lol. Comedy has changed so much in 20 years. Some of it for the better, some not so.

Sheer genius, imo.

yes, timeless pieces and so clever. The true test is that my 2 year old is sat watching the Eric and Ernie clips and saying' thats funny daddy' and keeps shaking his head from side to side like Ernie Wise beating eggs.

2 years old? That's not possible. You sure?

So is that it? Kev-gate over & we're onto the 2 Ronnies now?

Losing respect for people I regarded really highly more and more as this goes on.

Oh & Hi Harmony - see you reading in - still proud?

Everyone wants the issue closed thread stopped, most importantly Kev.  Cant see the point re-opening the issue in another thread.

What do you want us to do?

A Member Posted something, & I responded. Not sure how that changed anything. If someone wants to bring Glenn's Thread back on Topic, they will.

Is it the wrong time to discuss the next Blonde Bash.....?  :dontask:

I believe it's planned on being held in a phone box where the two blondes still talking to each other will play a HU game.

An appology for the shoddy way it's been handled would be good. Not neccessarily from you.

I'm not blaming blonde for dropping Kev as a Mod, had to be done, removing him from the forum is arguable for and against, but the terrible way he was set up for everyone to speculate on & certain people with axes to grind to get their digs in was disgusting.

Aye right, Mr 'arm round the shoulder nicey nicey' - sorry not washing this time.

Without a dealer? FFS. Thats ridic.

Doubt there would be too much problem getting one from the phone box.

Yeah yeah - we get it - nothing to see here.

next blonde bash.....


i think next blonde bash up    more suitable

Flushy/Tikay/Tighty -

If there were more facts to this than were posted then either nothing should have been posted at all or everything should have. (My opinion is that it should have been dealt with behind closed doors).

The way this has been handled is a complete and utter mess and a disgrace to those who chose to handle it that way. Kev made a mistake, I do not condone his actions. But that doesn't make him a bad man. He's not the first guy on here to make a mistake and won't be the last.

Tikay - you've said you've lost a number of friends over blonde related matters - is that a surprise when you deal with things like this?

Very well put.

to everyone or just to the mods? I've been sent the op by a few people and am completely baffled as to why it would be removed

Rod

I think the thing you need to realise, as came out of yesterdays thread, is that Tikays words were considered very carefully before he went to press.

He set out to, and susubsequently delieverd what he went to achieve - so why would he apologise. Any apology would be hollow, his actions in the last week have spoken louder than any retrospective flowery wrtiting could cover!

Dan had deleted it as he felt it was an extension of the Moving On thread that had been locked earlier.

If that is the case then he's not the man I thought he was. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, but his tactics since are disappointing to say the least.

so why hasn't this thread been deleted for the exact same reason?

ta dah!

I saw the opportunity for a lame joke and took it. I wasn't trying to detract/distract from your post/point.

OK Bongo - sorry to jump at you.

I liked your joke. Not to belittle the seriousness of the topic, but is there any harm in trying to inject a bit of humour?

edit: cross posted with Rod.  leaving post up though so bongo can feel the love.

Give it time, it may well have to be ;)

Bring back all the old firm hot heads to take the heat off for a bit  ;D

Sandy

Shit it ya Tim ;-)

Stuart

This.

I didn't really like the phonebox gag tbh but full marks for effort anyway

Well I was wanting to post my thoughts on the whole Kev thing yesterday but unfortunately the thread got lcoked before I had a chance.

Thankfully a few people couldn't let it lie so I now have my chance.

I'm pretty sure that Tikay, Tighty, Flushy and Kev would have preferred the whole thing to be handled privately.

It appears as though some person or persons wanted this public and that's the reason it's gone this way.

I support what Kev says on his blog about private conversations. I have had many in the past that I wouldn't want made public. I've said some things about people that were pretty horrible but weren't meant with any malice whatsoever. They were just said in jest. Read out loud as an msn convo though they would seem downright evil.

I wish Kev all the best in his continued recovery.

I also wish all the best to Tikay, Tighty and Flushy (despite losing $300 on the useless tosser) for dealing with this awful situation.

I had a conversation with Tikay on Sunday about the "moving on" thread after I had posted that he should have kept quiet about it. After hearing the facts of the matter I was unable to provide a better solution to the one he had decided upon.

I don't think there would ever have been a correct way to handle this. If it wasn't for a couple of people who clearly have it in for Kev and wanted him publicly destroyed none of us would have been any the wiser about this situation as it would have been dealt with privately and off forum.

My conversation with Tikay wasn't long after the post had gone up and he was clearly very distraught about the whole situation. Upon hearing the facts I immediately wished that I hadn't posted anything but obviously it was too late. It wasn't my intention to upset him but I knew that I had. This was clearly a very difficult situation for him because of the people involved.

It involved Kev who he regarded as a good friend and a dear friend of the blonde forum as a whole.

It also involved a good former friend of his in Brendan.

Unfortunately there were other parties who had knowledge of the events and it is their involvement which has forced this whole issue to go public and cause so many problems and ill feelings for so many people.

It seems as though Tikay is being made out to be the bad guy in all of this but that really isn't the case. Given the option he would have dealt with this privately.

There are 2 parties who have caused all the unrest here and forced Kev's removal from Blonde. It is those two who are kicking Kev while he is down, not Tikay and I sincerely hope that I never come across either of these 2 spiteful and vindictive swines ever again.

Matt

hi Rod,

i agree with that 100%, posting those vids was not to take the attention away from the points you made it was simply meant to lighten the mood a little so we could continue the convo afterwards.

Aye, OK I realise I'm kinda uptight about this so I appologise if I have or do snap at people for innocent comments.

Well I'm glad I still have "benefit of the doubt" with you Rod, that's something.

I've never changed, not that I'm aware, anyway. I am today, what I always was, good or bad. Maybe you misjudged me, or maybe there is something you are missing.

I did explain - time & time again - my thoughts as to the rights & wrongs, why's & wherefores, of what I Posted, & why. I explained my self-doubt, too. An insincere or forced apology would be meanngless, & I'm still grappling with last week's complexities - of which you only know a fraction. And no, that's not a hidden "ooh there's more", but the whole context is considerably wider than most have worked out. MUCH wider, & MUCH more complex. Current mood aside, do you really think it's in my usual nature to be vindictive?

Anyway, I have a day-job (at the moment, anyway), & I've neglected it a bit, so I need to press on with that this afternoon.

I'm dwelling & reflecting on everything, & I'll Post as soon as I can, but I'm not sure yet what my answer is, or should be. I know what you want it to be, but that's a different thing entirely.

You gonna let hairydude talk to you like that Rod?

I'm logging out for 5 mins ;)

I may be reading too much between the lines, but Matt seems to have figured a few things out. 

Just a reminder....


http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48952.0

OK you deal with it as your conscience dictates & I'll respond and act likewise.

Following a conversation with you where you obviously revealed more to him than you did on here.

Why did you not just say that?

Apologies if any of my posts upset you - I didn't mean to.

Yes, I told him more than I wrote, as to what was done, & why. His Post gives all the clues.

If you recall (though selective memories are the order of the day) I said in my Post on Sunday that ANYONE could ring me if they wished, & I'd try & steer them, assuming it were to be constructive rather than just emotive vitriol. Matt & I spoke, there were no other calls. Numerous individuals closer to the various & intertangled story lines were in touch before & after that, of course. And almost everyone has an angle - this person or that is a friend, someone or the other will be miffed because.......

I found your (& others) comment to me offensive, just as you & they found my Post offensive. It kind of depends where you stand, what way you face, what you know, & where the vested interest sits.

Nothing will ever be quite the same again, thats for sure. But if I were in your spot, I'd watch this space, & eventually the penny will drop.

no probs at all mate. my post on that thread were similar to yours, ive learnt a slightly diff fact today so would not have made some of the points i did at the time had i known now what i knew then. the prob is the opening post was/still is a very disappointing one and was the cause of what then materialised.

 

Maybe, but I've not lost any that really matter to me. I don't much like aggro, or falling out with anyone, everyone knows that. Forum "friends" are not in the same league as real friends, but it still irks to upset folks.

"those who chose to handle it that way". There were only 2 of us, the rest of the Mod Team were not privy to anything that you are not, then & now.

An old friend of mine, Craig from Naps in Sheffield, (he used to be the Cardroom Manager there), sent me a message of support overnight via FB. In which he claimed credit for being the first person in poker to call me a fuckwit. That would be about 11 years back. Bright boy, him.

If this is true then it puts the Tikays original post in a whole new context.

If someone was aware of this situation with Kev and was prepared to publicise it rather than let it be dealt with behind closed doors first then Tikay had no option but to put the original post on the Forum.  Anything else would have left him open to accusations of a cover up.

I also thought the original post was a huge mistake but if the gist of EvilPie’s post is correct than there was no other option.

Can anyone confirm if this is correct ?

Where's that hammer and nail picture when we need it?

If someone disappears for a while after being prominent on a forum questions get asked. Bolt, Nemesis and others have been sought at various times.

Over the years Tikay (in his blonde guise) has explained most big forum and business plans and events like this.

I don't see the surprise in him doing it this time and just because one or two people know behind the scenes doesn't stop the Where's wally threads. Never has and never will. Somebody at some time would have asked where's Kev and this would've happened then. Would Tikay be getting a kicking for not saying anything ?

You can think of Tikay what you want, it matters not to me, but if you expected him to do it differently you're head is up your arse. Doesn't matter if you agree with him or not but that's his m.o. on here.

Sandy

Well this must be a pic of me then :)

(http://bmzuua.bay.livefilestore.com/y1mijToDOaAY5DfHrXVs9dVc4lYk40dgdS7wQqxnCGN_paoErOp1XFGme_karmev2HM48oLx1DQqYs8JXJw6WnG50HhnoYaPbAuli0kfeAulPq1xuT8sXpSue6US69QSpMlBDmDGucajUYQ_fyR7pwkcw/head20up20arse.gif)

Do you really think so?

The person threatening to go public instead got a clean run at PMing his view on the sorry affair all around and getting his digs in that way.

Tikay's first post could have been far more charitable & not left his friend hung out to dry, instead the most cynical negative twist possible was allowed to get a head start.

I've repeatedly said I don't see what choice blonde had re Kev's mod status, the banning was arguable but I can see reasoning behind it. The original post was extremely shabbilly done to say the least.

Like I said last night Tikay - you are confusing the meaning of the word friend! Please try to use it less............................. much much less....................... like maybe never

The reaction to this episode has been completely emotional and irrational. I originally called for full disclosure after the original post had been made thinking things could be discussed in a civil manner. That was a joke of an idea, don't listen to me if I say that in future. Too many idiotic kids. Yeah let's witch-hunt Tikay because we think he witch-hunted Kev.

Personally I would have got Kev to do the original post and explain things himself as part of his atonement. As far as I can see the guy neglected his duty of care to a deceased member, thus to all of us, and pretty much stole his money. That kind of dying man's wish obligation would weigh pretty heavy on my shoulders until I'd fulfilled it. The stuff about putting it on Tilt for some reason and hoping the son would call, you're gonna have to get up pretty early to mug me off with a story like that. Tikay sorted Brendan's family in like 48 hrs. And he offered personal contact to any forum member. But w/e Kev could have said his piece and the reaction could have been gauged. And we'd probably offer some compassion and it's solved. Kev doesn't have a voice on here? You're shitting me? Nah, it's this Brendan guy who doesn't actually have a voice on here. So here it is. Also bring back Bolt, fucking miss that guy.

That'll be me put in my place then, the mighty Mantis has spoken. Thanks for giving me back 20 odd years to make me a kid again though.

You found that original post OK then?

I wonder if Tikay feels the same

 Plus one to the Reinstate Bolt.

Well you - & a few others - know why that is. I have a vested interest there. I loved his Posts, but despised his lack of financial morality. And yes, I'm talking through my pocket, because Bolt the Hero was a grimmer. So no, I don't miss him, but I miss the money he stole from me, & so do others. It's amazing how much you can get away with if you have "image".

Everything about this whole thing stinks, I can't remember ever having been soo disgusted on various levels about this many things..but I reckon only one person comes out well out of this whole thing TBH and that's Laxie.

Much, MUCH respect.

This is a fantastic post.

Last post on here when I was last reading this thread was Tikay's "...2 year old..." post.

Didn't see your question - but my answer is in the affirmative.

Cheers my wee bald dwarf, but without help from Jane - which she is now being attacked over - I may never have seen the justice I deserve for my own invasion of privacy.  Kind of ironic, isn't it?

I think if Kev was a good mate my reaction would be the same as yours. Too many people who are pretending to be his mate have inflamed the situation. In reality, I don't know Kev, so don't really give much of a fuck about him. But don't take that the wrong way because by the same token I don't wish anybody any ill will either, not like that wizard beard fella. I hope Kev recovers and has a happy life. But if you do a wrong it can come back to bite you on the arse. And it has for Kev at a pretty inconvenient time. I don't think you can have half the forum knowing, the other half not, people asking questions. That would be ridiculous. I think the original post was a PR disaster and lacked a bit of compassion, but I don't think there was ever going to be a nice designer package to wrap this shit up in. I do think routing through the man's stuff was out of line though, and that private stuff should be disregarded. Mighty Mantis, I like it.

That'd be one of the things that pisses me off :) It's baffling.

Why have not mentioned this on the forum (not counting coded refrences) until now?

If it's time to suddenly out everyone and everything then maybe naming the person or persons forcing your hand (the party or parties that EvilPie made reference to) would be a good idea?

that would prob Be a pAIN for tikay

FYP  ;)

They're unrelated incidents though Bold one.

The invasion of Kev's privacy is not suddenly made ok because it happened to unveil another wrong doing by someone else.

If Jane had specifically invaded Kev's privacy because she thought she may be able to find out about this other crime then I could maybe understand but I doubt very much that that's the case.

Maybe I'm wrong though who knows. If she really thought there was evidence of a crime on Kev's pc she should've been handing it over to the police anyway not routing through the hard drive like an amateur P.I.

I see what you did there.

yep this is the first time this has been mentioned on the forum.  also not great form to do so at a time when he has no right of reply imo.

Par for the course.

Lol at "right of reply".

Unless what Tikay has said is an outright lie why does he deserve to reply?

If he's grimmed people what's he going to say in his defence?

Perhaps he overslept.

LOL

Fk You imo.......(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0248.gif)

Obv not directed at you, that is what he would say probably :D

Why do people have to have the right of reply when they have done wrong?

Next we will be saying Fergus should be allowed back on to give his side of the story on why he stopped paying the money back he grimmed.

Honestly, the reason I'm more & more out of step is because I just don't get this. How is his right of reply of greater import than the thing he committed in the first place? He had 18 months to reply or repay, & never did, not a word, not a penny. He was on the Forum daily in all that time. Now he's due  right of reply? Sorry, but I am struggling to get my head round that. 

[quote author=EvilPie link=topic=49000.msg1212836#msg1212836 date=
Lol at "right of reply".

Unless what Tikay has said is an outright lie why does he deserve to reply?

If he's grimmed people what's he going to say in his defence?
[/quote]

not my place to paraphrase bolt's version of events without his say so, but lets just say there are differences in the two sides of the story as to what happened re attempting to pay back the money. I dont know the truth of it - its none of my business frankly, but i dont think it should have been publically declared on the forum now that the guy is a thief when he cant defend himself.

as far as i'm aware the money bolt allegedly grimmed was not obtained by deception but leant to him so not quite the same as fergus et al

Which is, if anything  a few degrees worse.

Agree with this.

I would much prefer a stranger stole money off me than someone I trusted enough to lend money to borrowed it with no intention of paying me back.

Not saying this is what happened with Bolt + his lenders just backing up what Camel says.

since when did people get banned for grimming?

He was not, he was Banned for a completely unrelated matter, & I deliberately refrained from any involvement in the decision.

When I stake someone I don't know (sometimes someone I know too lol) I mentally build in a small percentage for the chance I get grimmed.

If I know and respect someone enough to lend them money I 100% expect to be paid back.

Hence if case 1 grimmed me I would be far less angry and upset than if case 2 grimmed me.

Fergus was banned for grimming wasn't he?

that's what I thought. it's just the last couple of pages made it sound like it was for the grim, may be a misread from me though

ffs i dont know why i am still involved with poker

i have made some good friends and better enermies

people who i thought were friends i have upset wont even return calls or messages

seriously i have made some good friends on the way but i aint sure how fragile those realationships are anymore

with the international casino closing i am seriously thinking of giving up poker altogether

really WE are all acting like kids now, TWO people need our support as a comunity

LAXIE what happened to her was outrageous and i am deeply shocked that people i know and trusted and are intellegent couldnt see what happened was wrong and that this wasnt reported to her before hand

KEV, he is a mate but what he did for what ever reasons was wrong, he is still a mate and i do hope he feels able to call me and if he ever wants a break he can get his butt up here the fresh air and countryside will do him good while he recovers

only one person can be blamed for how tikay/tighty/flushy had to deal with this and HE has for along time not been on my friends list. And is the only person in my time at blonde i wish i didnt have to deal with or read their posts i really wish i hadnt held in my feelings at bB9 now after all with no flights to notts anymore not sure when i will be able to get back to DtD and it would of been worth getting a ban for


i dont know if i need a break from here or not or if one might be forced on me but man being a MOD is the best job and the worst job in the world and at the moment its the worst i just wish i could have a drink

nah, he was banned for being an arse

the money obtained by fergus wasnt obtained by deception either. He received it in with good intentions, then went astray, then started paying it back, then starting getting abuse on blonde, then retaliated, then starting winding people up, then got banned, then thought fk it, why should i bother paying people back?

Nope, totally unrelated.

no he was banned for trolling his stakers after he grimmed

don't think you can be sure of that as he had prior for grimming

details please.

.........blimey even Eastenders and Corrie combined don't have this many storylines going on.

while working at cincins took everyone's entry money from a tourney and pissed off down the bookie with it

can kev come back ?

does Kev want to come back?

have heard stories from more than one person that wasn't quite the story..

not sure, i've read a lot and not commented over the past couple of days, and whilst i apprecaite kev has done wrong i dont feel him being banned is fair. 

He has contributed more than most to this forum and I hope he can come back (if he wants to).

sorry, my mistake, i thought because Kev was your friend he had called you and asked you to find out.

is that a dig?

seems a bit touchy...

just saying, if you were a friend of Kev, like it says in your signature, you would know whether Kev wants to come back to blonde. Either you are not his friend really, or you are asking a question that is designed to cause problems.

I'm not a friend of anybody on this internet forum, I have met a few people briefly but wouldnt consider anybody a friend.  I like a number of members greatly (cos - you know i love you). 

My signiture is in support of Kev, the use of the word 'friend' in the sig was not designed by me, i added it as i feel the treatment of him has been terrible.

\in that case i was wrong to assume. Regardless of whether or not he would be allowed back (i'm guessing not) Kev doesnt want to come back to blonde. It's a point that doesnt need mentioning imo.

And i love Cos more than you ever could. Has he told you he is on the Real Hustle tomorrow?

vinny is too modding what robert green is to goalkeeping


1:1

I have altered my sig - sorry for any confusion caused.

Thank you for your answer to my simple question.

norrrrrrrrrrrr,you can use my joke, especially as it was whipped off the forum almost straight away.

So ghey.

I think Vinny is an excellent addition to the mod team.

grrrrrrrrrrrrr bugger

ok vinny is to modding what arthur boric is to old firm bonding

sig owns. wp.

who's vinny/vinni?

dont we all but doesnt stop me taking the mick out of him

Could Tighty address skolsuper's post please?

 :hello:

Hello. 

I know it takes you a few attempts to answer my questions but could you just tell me who this vinni guy is?

Vinny = Celtic

Vinni = The great Barry Neville

fyp

lol

ty cos.

fyp

Vinny your sig made my lol so hard wp

I probably haven't had a kebab in 5 years.

But right now it is the only thing I can think about.

Thanks Vinny.

Extra hot chili sauce with that sir ?

I ordered a donner meat pizza... healthy eating is going well.

Thank you Vinny... you've ruined my diet.

Just so this doesn't get lost in the thread I thought I'd bump it again.

Why is everyone in a position of responsibility on the site seemingly skittling around the issue of Ginger.

must have been banned already.

Damn cub reporters tsk....

this

Hold on, does Celtic gain access to other members' usernames and passwords now he's a mod?

I for one did exactly that.

Why would anybody, NOT in a position of responsibility think they are owed an answer?  I don't.!!  I woud guess your question was seen first time around and, I am guessing that the same reason it never got answered the first time, is the same as the 2nd time.  You certainly cant think you deserve to be answered every question you ask about all of this?

me to and the thought that someone else has read that message is very upsetting

lol what?

I never said I was OWED one as you put it.

But if you or any of the mods think it doesn't need addressing publicly then you're clueless.

Is it possible they are unable to answer for various reasons which will become apparent over the course of time?

Cos has asked me to address this post

Well first off it's not me that has to address this post really, tikay is in charge of de-modding and modding

However, as I am here...

Yes I had to check out the Brendan case but was doing so from a company viewpoint. At the end of that as I have stated previously I gave an unsolicited opinion that Kev should not be a mod anymore which is a forum issue. Final say is tikay's. If he disagreed with me, his view goes.

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

Anyway, that's not the central point, as we know. The point that is being raised is whether Jane should be a mod. I have said to tikay that I will support any decision made by him on anyone's mod-ship. With particular reference to Jane I gave a view to tikay on this last week but it was probably incorrect to do so. I would think my view expressed then, if this thread is anything to go by, would be a minority view. He does know though all the context in which I gave the opinion, as uncomfortable as it was to go through it. I happen to have been of the view that in attempting to help Dawn resolve her issue that the intention was not of vindictiveness towards Kev. I though am not comfortable or happy that it took accessing another's files to do this, who would be?.  On the Brendan issue the doubt was raised verbally to me and I was not or am not aware that the concern involved any privacy issues.

Now onto personally difficult stuff....

Much of the private "hate mail" (hate mail is the wrong term, but bear with me) tells me that I acted dishonourably, that I acted out of personal priorities and not out of fairness, and that (suppose I had better be blunt) my motivation is to stitch up Kev and hook up with Jane. In part this view will have come from Kev's blog, of course.

In public it has been said that I offered "one eyed" counsel to tikay and that in the past I had got together with Jane when she was still with a work colleague. Both of those suggestions troubled me greatly. The first because I cannot think of a single occasion over five years when I have ever put self interest on this forum ahead of blonde Poker's interest.  This occasion is no different. The second because it is simply untrue.

So the last month has been a rough time by my rather cosseted standards. An issue landed on my desk, not in a manner I would have chosen in the sense that very sensitive knowledge was with third parties. I knew right from the outset that if the issue I was investigating was shown to be true then in sorting that out I risked damage to my personal reputation because I KNEW that the inferences of the last 48 hours would be drawn. Yet I had to investigate knowing that.

Just to conclude, given the complicated background (women!) it is fair to say that Kev and I have a complex relationship. Despite that we managed to have a decent working relationship for three years. We've spoken this afternoon at length on these issues. Apologies have been given and accepted.

If anyone feels I have acted improperly, and I believe Kev no longer does, then PM me or ring me. I am on 07887 987044. No abusive texts though please. Had enough of those.

So back to the issue, de-modding or not? Not up to me. Shouldn't be up to me.

A cop-out to end with.

Exactly this, and believe me I have not discussed this matter with any of the mods. or shareholders.

Tikay has always been an advocate of transparency in his dealings as long as I have known him so I feel that it is only reasonable to trust him and to let him explain when he feels that the timing is right.

All will be revealed in time.

hi Rich, I think you referenced a post i made that included the phrase knocked off, you have paraphrased it as 'knocked up' which has a lot different meaning. Iy might make sense to alter that unlesss someone did say knocked up and i missed it.

my understanding of the situation, admittedly from Kevs side was that the incident took place when they were still an item, as you mentioned in the pm to me earlier that wasnt the case so I have to apologise to you for that but I am sure you can see why others would think the same given the 'info' was one sided.

On a well know forum I use (SA) they have a thread on the main boards, it details who is banned, for how long and why..This would be a great idea :) it might stop all the same bring back X posts if they knew what low life had done.

lmao at these sigs

thanks, have edited and I can understand the inferences drawn.

thanks

This^^ also good post tighty

the suggestion is that she has been through kev's pms. if this is true (no idea if it is) then it's pretty worrying as many people, myself included, will have at some point sent him personal details to enable him to sort out various problems with our a/cs. all of these details are now potentially compromised

that's without going into various other things that people may have written to kev which they wanted to remain private, hence the use of private messaging

Understand completely gatso   

if she has gone through his MSN, emails and whole computer i think the chance of Jane going through his blonde Pm's are very high, Is all needs sorting out fast as it not really making the forum a good place at the moment

The question I have now Rich is  this. As part of your investigation did you or anyone else request the checking of Kevs data by Jane?

I did not no. As I have said the Brendan issue was raised as a verbal concern to me. After the family had been contacted I then got the data from our former card-room provider

On the Dawn issue, which was her issue not a blonde poker issue, again no request from me.

As tikay was unaware of the Brendan issue until ten days ago, the same answers will apply to him I would think

thanks

What do you mean?

Can't be bothered to quote Evilpie as it just makes everything too long.

In short, worrying about Ginge "invading Kev's Privacy", not really my problem TBH. I have no reason to believe she would do that to anyone else and, although I understand some people think it's wrong there are really more worrying things to be concerned about IMO.

The list would be pretty much this;

xx for being a pervert. (If this was MrsB he'd be dead)
The people that saw the video and knew something was dodgy but decided to have a giggle instead. (If this was MrsB I would have extracted their teeth for free)
The people that saw the video, knew something was wrong, didn't giggle but decided to keep quiet. (Shame on you..I mean really..FFS!)

And then some other stuff...and then maybe at the bottom would be a mod going through someone's MSN conversations.

I agree TK didn't handle the OP brilliantly..no doubt about that IMO. The Brendan thing could and should have been kept private.....but those last two are not really things I'd be concerned about.
Banning Kev makes me feel uncomfortable, but mainly because apparently there are others on blonde, involved with blonde, that also watched the video and kept shtum. Why are they still here?

Who ?

The sig is the 'signature' that you choose to have placed automatically below every post. It was kinda excellent

Very good post

I think people are losing sight of the real injustice.

Just got off a half an hour phone call with Tikay.

I understand a few more facts now than I did before. I would like to publicly apologise to him for certain things I said on the thread and understand a little better why he took certain actions.

I'd urge others to ring him before posting too.

I made it clear that I feel Jane should still be de-modded.

you are spot on, this is a far more serious matter and I feel bad that it was something I read and didnt take in properly at the time.

I'm working tonight, elsewhere, 3-Tabling (or trying to), but I'll field that question later this evening if I may.

In the interim, my advice would be NOT to speculate on matters pertaining to the Video. The Police are heavily involved, & active in the matter, as recently as  last night & today. The matters you mention are very much "live".

Thanks.

Good post Boldie

This is excellent news.

Tikay has alot of faults, he plays too tight at poker, he does like to gossip and he is indeed a bit of a drama queen.

But one thing I say with complete certainty I believe he has more integrity than virtually anyone I've met in poker.

Throughout all this mess I trusted that even if he made some quesionable decisions, he made them for what he believed was the correct reasons.

He has old fashioned (some may say out of date) values and he sticks to them.

And I admire him immensely for this.

as of yet the person mentioned on this thread as being involved regards the video has not been charged let alone convicted so please call off the lynch mob of vigilantes!!!

i think it would be wise for a mod to remove the post branding him a "perv" and any most that may of quoted that post

thank you

+1

+ 2, +3, +4  :)up

Modified my post to remove any names.

Apologies for that, I shouldn't have quoted the name of a man accused of a crime.

If that were true, I might agree with you.  However I have confirmation to the contrary.

Thank you

bailed for further enquiries as far as im aware, but thats neither here nor there he has been convicted of nothing as we stand.

why after going through the appropriate channels has the post referring to the alleged perpretratorof the video  being a perv not been removed?

if

Just admit it you were wrong, as you have been in most of your posts related to these threads! Its almost like you are arguing points just to be annoying.

and like you know everything?

Here it goes.

The arguments are starting.

This thread's been fairly reasonable until now. It's about to explode.

I give it 'til 11.30 before the thread's locked.

i think you will find i didnt start abusing people, indestructable  thinks he's the man who knows everything, he knows shit but obv he's a celeb so must be right ;-)

i would like to take overs please - 1 english pound...  do you take my bet?

did u watch the video and say nothing?

no i never saw the video thank you and dawn will confirm this, isnt that right dawn?

Hold up a minute guys.

I've just chatted at length with Kev, & need to Post something regarding his comments.

Before I do, though, I've taken the very unusual step (though always available to a Mod) of removing a name from Boldies Post, & editing it out in all the "quotes" of the Post.

The matter is in the hands of the Police, & I'll give a little more detail on that shortly. For now, please don't further speculate on it.

My apologies, I misunderstood the wording given to me as obviously I am under an enormous amount of pressure over this.  Exact wording as follows

xxxxx* has been arrested and bailed in relation to Sexual Assault  (ftp://xxxxx* has been arrested and bailed in relation to Sexual Assault)

*Name removed to protect the other party

thank you tony, but why your moderating team didnt feel the need to i dont know

Tikay is obv a legend. Wish someone who knows everything would give long extended cliffs, similar to noflophomers' cliffs on the blatch thread, but obv not as in depth.

there you go mrfuckingindestructaimalwaysrightable are you happy now?????????????????????????????????????????????

so can you now please inform people that i have not viewed the video as well now dawn before sum do gooding dimwit puts 2 and 2 together and decides that i must have been there holding the camera!!!

Unless Dawn was the only person with the video or with you 24 hours a day since it was shot i don't see how she can be certain of the fact you haven't seen it ?

Sandy

I will offer up this one favour to you but then I feel I've done more than enough.

I don't know if you have or haven't, but I will say you didn't 'seem' to be aware.  That's the best I can do for you Paul.  

Afraid I'm looking after me right now and this is my last post in reply to you.

So tempted......

Would have to be real time not f**ked up Blonde clock 7 minutes ahead of the rest of the world clock.

i am certain and sure i havent seen it and gave dawn my word on this many months ago.

have u seen it sandy? how can we be so sure you haven,t?

a list of people believed to have seen the video was given to the police and correctly so it didnt contain my name

agreed real time

Don't know you Dawn - hope you are ok and I have utmost respect for your honesty, values in light of what has been said here and what's alleged to have happened.

I am just dumbfounded that the latest few posts are being played out on a forum

You can't be but then again i didn't ask to be exonerated by someone who obviously couldn't do so with any degree of certainty and is obviously suffering a great deal at the expense of others.

Sandy

what have u ever done for me dawn that makes u think you done enough?

In light of the following line from Tikay

"I've just chatted at length with Kev, & need to Post something regarding his comments."

I'm afraid all bets are off.

It'll take the old f**kwit at least an hour to type it.

i have lost a lot of respect for you tonight...

Why was no action taken against the perpetrator when this video first came to light ?

a very good question sir

No problem mate I've got infinite respect for myself. I'll send you a cheeky top up for a quid.

Let it go ffs.

so i cant question when someone says they more than done enough for me when actually they have never done fuck all?

I don't know the actual statistics for this country but lots of sexual assault cases go unreported.

I'm fairly certain that one getting reported a long time after the event is far from unusual.

I am pretty sure that the what happened never came to light to the person it happened to until a number of months after it actually happend.  And the police have been a tad slow getting onto it.  Nothing sinister.

8-1 to do bird
1-20 no bird

she did reply last post in reply to you
i know you can read

Thread Locked.

I'll still Post what Kev told me, & some other stuff, but I'm not leaving the Thread open so that abuse can be hurled around. It'll be e-opened, I hope, in due course.

* And the "fuckwit" managed to lose a long & complicated Post by pressing a wrong button somehow.

Kev sent me a text tonight, & asked me to call him, & eventually I did.

We chatted, very amicably, for 30 to 40 minutes, some of it about specifics, but a lot of it about more general matters in his personal life.

He had a particular concern as to what has been reported, & it's the only thing that he believes is incorrect as to the factul statement by Tighty on Page 15 or so of "Moving On", & my correction of the same Post 2 pages or so later.

Tighty had Posted, at length, his understanding of various convos with Kev.

Tighty Posted, broadly, that

"Kev told me that......

Brendan passed away.

He agreed with the family at the Funeral to withdraw the account balance to expidite payment.

He then withdrew the money."

I then corrected that 2 pages later by saying that either Tighty or Kev must be mistaken, given this sequence.....

Brendan passed away on 16th September 2008.

The money was withdrawn on 23rd September 2008.

The Funeral was on 30th September 2008.

Therefore the two sets of dates were incompatible.

Kev's concern is that he thinks that implies, or that I  implied, that Kev did not have permission to withdraw the money. I assured Kev I never meant, implied, or said that, ever, to anyone. I also assured him that in my various convos with Tom (Brendan's son), Kev's name had never once been mentioned. There is a significant audit trail of e-Mails between Tom & myself, which I'm happy to reproduce if need be, & Kev is not mentioned in any.

Kev wishes to make it clear that he did   have such permission from the family to withdraw the money, & that the date inconsistency is simply a function of (understandable) date confusion.

I told him I was happy to make his view known, & if he was unhappy with what I Posted, he wll ring me & I'll correct if need be.

Kev also freely admits he used the money, but is adamant that it was never his intention to misappropriate it.

He also wishes it known (& fair point this, because I'm not sure it's on any of the threads) that he has since - in the last 3 or 4 days I believe - transferred the money across to Flushy. The offer to refund it to me was made on Sunday or Monday, as I recall, (I'm not 100% on that) via third parties, but as I don't have my Full-Tilt account details to hand (it's lain dormant for 5 years), & it was not exactly top of my list of priorities (quite unlike repaying Tom quickly), I had not dealt with the request, & I was not that fussed, to be honest.

We moved on then, & Kev clearly has some bitterness at the way things have turned out between he & Jane. Everyone can see that, & these things always have two sides to them, so I never really contributed to that part of the convo. I'm afraid "break-up" stories (& I've had a few of my own...) are like other folks holiday snaps - important to them only, & I can't get interested in hearing one side or the other. I don't mean that rudely, but I could listen to either side for hours on end & it would not solve anything. Breaking up is hard to do, always was & will be, & it's rare both sides can agree on whats what. I hope that eventually they settle their differences.

We then wrapped up, & Kev said a few personal things - nice personal things - & that was that. We don't agree with each other, but we wholly understand what made the wheels go round the way they did. He apologised for the grief it caused me, & I said I was sorry if it had been handled awkwardly. Only Kev, of course, along with Jane & Tighty, know the real depth of the backdrop to the tale. I don't, & most blondes don't.

Correct.

I did briefly mention this earlier, & asked everyone not to speculate further. Cue the fastest 3 pages of a thread in history, marv.

I never followed the "video story", but I know the broad outline.

24 hours after Tighty delivered the Brendan story to me, I came into pssession, via Tighty, of the now infamous "chat logs". I don't think you'll need me to explain my reaction to them. Several "non-involved" names appear in the logs, quite innocently, not as authors, but just mentioned by name. This is part of the reason why there has been some obfuscation in the threads.

The two matters, coming as they did only 24 hours apart, knocked Tighty & I a bit sideways. They were not shared with any other Mods, at least, not by us. 
 
Late last week - Thursday or Friday I think - I heard that Luton (?) Police had opened a formal "file" or enquiry on the case.

A day or two ago, I heard that it was moving forward (I have no idea what the proposed or alleged charges would be), & yesterday, I heard that one individual had been questioned, & later bailed to return some time in September. The source of most of my information is, obviously, Dawn. I may not be 100% correct, but broadly, I think I've quoted what she told me fairly.

Please remember, nobody has been charged, so guilt must not be assumed.

I also gather that the Police may want to interview all those who watched the video. How they will ascertain that I have no idea. And I don't know, beyond a short list of a few, who watched it.

I have been told that the Police will expect blondepoker to provide contact details of some individuals who may have made, watched, commented on, or distributed it.  If they do, we will.

Boldie's comments as to who watched it, & their reaction, are what they are.

But he then goes on to ask why others who watched it "are still here". (i.e., not Banned). Well I don't know that they are still here, as I don't know who they are, except those in the Chat Logs.

I don't know who watched it, or what their reaction was. We can't assume any reaction by "viewers", except that which is in the chat Logs.

I'm not going to answer Boldie's closing hypotheticals, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Assume the obvious though - we'd do as any sane, decent & reasonable person would.

But remember that watching it with glee & lionising it & the perpretator, is very different to watching it & being appalled. How would anyone know - apart from those in the Chat Log - how recipitents reacted?

Another "not easy" decision upcoming.

Please be careful in commenting on this stuff.

The Thread will be e-opened on Thursday morning,& hopefully remain open for civil debate.

Perhaps they never had time, never saw it quick enough, or I beat them to it. They don't have obligated hours. It's not right to blame the Mods for their reaction speed, Members have a responsibility too. All of them.

Thread re-opened.

Fair enough TK.

I am just very concerned/appalled that if MrsB and myself go to a bB again and in the very unlikely case she has too much to drink and I decide not to go back to the hotel with her but play a bit more poker for a few hours but someone offers to drop her off..that IF anything were to happen to her (note; not accusing anyone of it here. Just saying hypothetically) and others knew about it those people would not come up to me and say "Listen mate, I don't quite know how to say this but I think you oughta know something" but then months later I would find out about it this way and then find out that people have even been making jokes about it.

Blonde bashes are great fun, they are always held in a setting that makes people feel comfortable with the others that they play, and drink, with. It's all like it's one big group of friends/family. MrsB really enjoys going to them and they are the only tournaments she would consider going to, mainly to catch up with people and have a few drinks.
Obviously there is going to be the occasional bad apple in any group (Again, not saying there is one here)..but to think that something could happen and the people that you've been playing with, and talking to, for years and have met several times wouldn't say anything to you.....that really baffles, concerns and angers me. Especially when some people then attack the person that did tell you.

I understand your point entirely.

I'm really not sure if I could, or should, reply in full. I want to douse down the flames, not pour petrol on them.

I've written a reply, but decided not to Post it right now, instead I'll save it on Word or wherever, & have a think about it before deciding whether to properly address your points.

I'm sure you can take a guess at what our (blonde) reaction would be, though. It's exactly what you would expect, & hope.

No worries, I understand you're in a very shitty position here.

Wouldn't it just be lovely if we could just turn the clock back a few years when the biggest discussions on the forum were about why on earth Mr Red hadn't told us about Billy the Gopher yet?

just realised you've made 18,000 posts, jesus! wp sir.

Tony,
can I ask you to clear up what "(understandable) date confusion" is.?

I have never heard of that before and it has caused me some confusion.

Carl.

To be fair..most of them just say; "This" or "Boshi is an idiot" :)

One would assume, that, it's because trying to recollect something that happened 2 years ago is not that simple.

Carl,

Pardon me not being clear on this but are you referring to the use of the word "understandable" or the actual date confusion? I'll answer either, but please clarify first.

Thanks.

I can understand that dates can be fotgotten 2 years down the line, but, if Kev says he asked for permission at the funeral (written in Kev's blog, not Tighty's error), that is not remembering a date, that is remembering a happening...  So, if the dates of the funeral are accurate, and, the dates of the Aqua communication are accurate, where is the date confusion?  The money was withdrawn 1 week before permission was requested..

Tony, I guess "date confusion" is what I was referring to, but also "understandable" also a bit baffled me, but I have just made a post prior to this one that maybe explained what I was thinking.

Carl.

You think?

You don't know, with due respect, 5% of what a shitty spot I'm in, &, in fairness, others are. But move that % up or down with due respect to my abilities as a drama-queen, fuckwit, & clueless idiot. (Guilty as charged on all counts).

PS - Pardon my attempts at a touch of levity, if you will.

This is Kev, sorry for signing in as a new account and this will be the only time it will ever be used (I am sure it will be banned soon enough)

Firstly I want to say what a load of hypocritical bollocks is being spouted here ... Yes I messed up with the transaction from Brendans account, and yes if I had been given the opportunity I would have resigned my position over it. I have not denied anything and been 100% honest.

With regard to my part in laxiegate, well that is just bloody laughable, to think that my private conversations were STOLEN and passed around (laxie has posted in this very thread that Jane passed her the info) is quite scary really. At least Laxies admission proves my point that my computer was breached and personal information compromised.

Let us all pray that someone (lets call her "a mod") with a decent amount of knowledge with computers doesn't take issue with blonde and copies all the mods board threads and then passes them around to people, that would be gold dust wouldn't it ... EVERY single mod since inception of the forum has said stuff IN PRIVATE that would cause a shit storm if it got made public... But that wont happen will it, i mean no one on the mods team has previous for hacking into someone's accounts and stealing their private info ... oh hang on.

I apologise to everyone concerned again, as I have done via different sources already, and wish blonde well for the future.

And to answer some points from earlier in the thread, Would I come back ? ... well the short answer is NO. I no longer have a desire to be part of this community. Will I miss it ? .. you bet I will, everyone knows blonde has been my life for over 5 years, I literally have the T-Shirts !!

I have no doubt that blonde will survive without me, and I wish everyone well.

Theres nothing that out of order that that post can't stay imo, as long as its a one-off post.

I'll reply with care to that. I'm not judge or jury here, so I'll keep it factual & make no assumptions.

The dates I "corrected" against Tighty's Post are exactly as I stated. The Funeral date is proofed by a link to the Funeral thread. The date the money was withdrawn from Aqua/blonde Cardroom was as stated - a week before the Funeral. There is no dispute on either date, & we have the e-Mails from the Cardroom to Kev & vice-versa. I (& Tighty) were aware of that from the very outset, that is to say, a day or two after I returned home from Vegas.

Which was why I issued the "corrected dates" Post.

Kev discussed this with me last night. He told me that he had simply got the dates confused, but that he is 100% certain of one thing - that he asked the Family's permission BEFORE withdrawing the money. He was utterly insistent upon that, in fact it was the whole reason he asked me to ring him.

When I said "but the Funeral was a week later?" he said that was just some confusion in his mind.

I am not spinning this either way - those are the facts as I was given them, or know them.

I agree, we agree.

I have answered the date confusion.

"Understandable"?

It's quite difficult for me to come cross as even-handed in this, & I thought it seemed reasonable to offer up the suggestion that, in fact, because it was nearly 2 years ago, he had become confused/forgetful as to precise dates.

I forgot to add that I have never read Kev's Blog properly, or recently, except to speed-read one bit, so I've no idea what it actually said in that regard.

Note, also, that I agreed with Kev last night that if I report something about our convo last night factually incorrectly, he'll text or 'phone me, & I'll correct it if need be.

Kev should be allowed to post on here just for a few days on this thread imo. Seems a bit unfair on him having no direct proper right of reply...........

Thanks for your explanation Tony.

I would agree that it is understandably very hard to remember exact dates 2 years later.  I would though remember happenings and whther they were before other happenings.

just to clarify I didnt have you in mind Tony. I had finally realised that the back story might invovle the police. I was hoping that the examining of msn and pM'S might have been done at their request which would make it understandable.

Pretty sure that if the police wanted someone's PC checking for potentially incriminating evidence they wouldn't ask the bloke's ex to have a quick check through it for them.

oh dear, they might ask the company Blondepoker tho...

Yes, the involvement of the Police & the Police File, or Case, has been a backdrop to my Posts & comments.

I have - literally - scores of e-Mails & PM's which explain who told who else, what, & when, & I'd be lying if I said eveything is clear in my mind in that area. If you ask me now if the Police were the ones who first requested the MSN logs be produced, I honestly don't remember. I could & will check, though.

I'm "grey" on that whole area I'm afraid. I need to go now, I have an 11pm Telecon, sorry for the rushed & perhaps garbled answer. I'll be back, though......

never in a million years, they would seize them and examine them themselves

Ive been veiwing this subject from a position so far behind a lot of others that it took  me a long time to work that out so I owe you an apology too. I just didnt get it at the time.

It's more likely that they would just seize it before the evidence became compromised.

Rifling through someone's PC isn't a job for any member of the public under any circumstances. Once there is any suspicion of a crime being committed the PC should be handed over to the law.

By going through it and thus changing all the "last read" dates etc. it probably just invalidates any potential evidence that was there in the first place.

There's far too many interferring people here who've become involved in their own "private investigations". Unfortunately that's probably ruined any chance of real justice being served if a crime has actually been committed.

It's ok Matt.  I have logs on my computer too...which were requested by police.

thats true but you have to realise tha tnot everyone knew that what appeared to be a situation regarding Kev was in fact something more serious. I asked someone what was going on and got a story that turned out to be only half the story. So I would rather ask the questions on this thread and gte the right answer instead. Please understand that some are not as clued up as you are.

Newest member 'hypocritical you think ?!' lol

Argument by username, genius!

Had the poice case begun before Kev's computer was breached?

Wonder if a judge would be generally prepared to allow the use of any evidence that had been obtained illegally anyway...

I guess you would debate whether or not it had been obtained illegally, now I don't know any details about what happened and I'm not a lawyer but if Jane had any legitimate access (maybe she had her own account etc) to the PC then I imagine it would be acceptable as evidence (e.g. paedophiles discovered by computer repair shops).

I have no idea. I seem to think that the "Video" & the scrutiny of the PC may have been a sort of cause & effect, but once that can of worms was opened it sort of led to other things. But I don't know, to be honest.

We are getting into speculative grounds here now, though, & those involved on both sides, innocent &/or guilty, are all reading all this stuiff. Not to defend or attaqk anyone, but "standing in someone else's shoes" springs to mind.

I hope I can exit the thread now.

WTF, are you lot a bunch of detectives or summat? rotflmfao Let the police do THEIR job imo..............

Yes, there is that, plus I know little about the specifics of this instance. I don't know enough about computers either, I had no idea that my computer logged details of what had been moved, by whom, when and to where.

I am a temporary private detective, yes, I work in a firm called Boldie & Associates. We know stuff. pm me for prices. Special rate for vegetarians.

Generally they don't. I think it was Laz who brought that up a while back.

MSN chat logging is an optional feature too.

Good point.

rotflmfao I love that line.

If Kev is banned because you think it's best he takes a break from blonde, but Kev has decided he is going to walk away anyway then why not just unban him?
He'll probs make the odd post to defend himself while this mess plays out and then be on his way.

At the moment he makes this second account to make post, Tightend comments to say he thinks this is fair enough. (It's perhaps not because of the precedent it sets, undermines the ban, and it's not like there aren't other ways Kev can get a message onto the forum)

Much simpler life if you just unban him and if he wants to make a post he can do so from his own account as a regular forum member. If he oversteps the mark with regard to attacking rather than defending then warn his ass and if it continues, you can ban his ass in the way that people used get banned from foums, because of bad shit that they've actually posted.

Surely you will agree, the most important thing is the police get all the evidence they need in order to build a case, so justice is done.

It might save other women going through the same ordeal in the future.

I wish I could take back almost every post I have made now I understand better what has happened.

The Two Ronnies one was ok Phil.

i dont think I did, but it is possible. I attended a conference a few years back given by west midlands police on the subject of forensic computing, and if the general public knew what was possible , then they would never touch a computer again.

btw, for all the wannabee detectives, you need to familiarise yourself with the police and criminal evidence act (PACE) of 1984, regarding the collection and use of evidence.

My mistake, it was Shogun:


Forensics is a bit different to something the average person can find though.

How would it be applied to the hypothetical case of a civilian gathering files from another person's machine with/without their tacit permission?

Makes no difference.

The convo's could be used to help the investigation but they could never be used as actual evidence as you could never prove the integrity of the copy.

depends where else they've been logged really.

Yo Bill, verify this?

Suppose so actually.

every email every msn message every pm on blonde is logged by your isp AFAIK
which is why you never give card details unless your on a secure network

that was my only highlight.

+ 2 ISPs, + whatever else the police/government/intelligence services have in place wrt logging (there is a legal require for at least some logging and the last government were trying to get more). Could even be more here depending on what msn client they were using etc.

Also any corroborating evidence.

And no one has said whether or not the Police came and took evidence from the PC. They could have done so before Jane's alleged attempts.

And that's just what I've thought of in 30 seconds.

All good points.

You would have thought the police would get something right once or twice with all the info available to them.

I don't like this. We're to remain calm and not judge Kev until we see the chat logs, but then do the exact opposite and jump to conclusions and condem the man as soon as we do see them?

I've not seen the video (thank christ) and I'm not too keen to see the chat logs as they're likely to be disgusting too. I can have an educated guess as to what type of thing is in there.



However, before I throw a man into a deep hole and throw away the ladder, I'd like to base it on a bit more than their instant reaction to a video in a text based msn chat.

 I'd want to bear in mind several things.

What a person types isn't always the same as what they feel.

To what extent it was clear from the video that an egregious crime had been commited. (Kev has said via Booder that he didn't know that the people in the film were anything other than willing participants when they saw it)

Is Kev going to get on with people 20 years younger than him by being the headmaster all the time. It's much easier to laugh along, and if you're in that mindset, even though he might have felt uncomforatble with the video, it takes a lot to break out of the mold and blow the whistle. Was Kev a hero - no. Is there any middle ground between hero and scum as we sit and judge from our comfortable computer chairs?

When I first heard about the video I was shocked and stunned. Hadn't heard anything like it before. I heard about it in a different context though, listen while I tell you about this terrible thing. Kevcame across it in a different context, look at this video of a funny thing.
Processing what exactly was going on might have taken me a while if I recieved the input in that context. If I was all pally pally with the cool kidz on the msn in a conversation and I was shown it then I'd like to think I'd react with disapproval. Don't know with 100% certainty though as I've never been in that spot. (I'd also like to think if I was brought up in poverty in Berlin in the 1920s, indoctrinated into the Hitler Youth in the 1930s and in the German Army with my brothers in the 1940s that I would somehow have a moral epiphany and courage enough to stand up and say hey lads, lets not be complicit in this holocaust thing. You know what though, I'll never know.)



It's clear that Laxie has been a victim of a nasty crime. I certainly don't want to go down the route of attacking her character to defend Kev.

I'm not changing my signature though, I still think Kev is a decent guy and I'd be happy to have pints with him again. He can be an idiot and a plonker but I knew that before all this shit came out. It would be easy for me to express outrage and distance myself from Kev because he was unlucky enough to have come into contact with this video, and didn't recognize (as we all do now with our 20:20 hindsight vision) that it was a cue for every decent human being to pick up the shiny sword and a the sturdy shield and fight for justice.

The way some people are talking on here you'd think Kev was a willing participant in a gang rape rather than some guy that said lololol in a private conversation when showed a fucked up video where he wasn't sure wtf was going on.

I think that's stretching things a bit far, chap!

Fantastic post Tank.

While I don't agree with all of it, it certainly is food for thought.

Ha ha, im not their biggest fan to be honest. I dont mind Sting though.

I 100% agree with Tank's post though.

With no offence to Laxie meant here at all, but I could not care less what Kev may or may not have known, said, or laughed at whilst sat infront of his computer in the privacy of his home.

It is no ones business but his.

Interesting news article here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/29/divocrce_docs/

(nice typo in their url too)

cliffs: stolen computer files used to be admissible as evidence in divorce cases (and maybe others?) but now aren't.

+1

We have all done things that would horrify our neighbours, but not with malcious inent, but just because it was private, and because we knew it would never go any furhter. We all have things in the closet, and thats where they should stay.

I have laughed at cruel things, said things about people i wouldnt want them to hear, joined in with a crowd, where i might not share their sentiment, but I was just going with the flow.

The Laxie thing is not a Kev crime. It is terrible, but it isnt a crime that Kev should be hung for.

If ANYONE on this forum is prepared to put up a thread entitled "do your worst, tell all the gory things you know about me in here", and then send an e-mail to everyone they know, friends and ememys, and have a no holds barred offering, then I will listen to them criticise Kev on THIS point, and until they do, could you all please reserve your comments, because that is what has happened to Kev!

It depends whether he knew that the lady in the video was a willing participant or not.

Wonder if Jane will post on all of this.

havent really said much on this subject but it is grossly unfair that Kevin has had his name mentioned and dragged through the mud in association with an alleged sexual assault when he doesnt have the opportunity to defend himself, but the other watchers and chatters about the video seem to have their anonymity intact.

Even if he does know the lady involved, it is still his private business to choose what he does with the information.
We all have different moral stand points and its not for us to dictate ours to others.

And for that reason I personally have no idea why any of the Laxie incident has been bought up on here with relation to the Kev matter.

But Guy, Kev does have the right to reply, he has replied on his blog, he has replied via telephone conversations, he has even replied on here on a new account.

Anything else that is said by random individuals on here then i'm sure Kev isn't worried about. In fact i'm pretty certain.

well i have an idea why it was brought up - but it certainly has no bearing and it certainly shouldnt have been

you miss my point

my point is "let he without sin cast the first stone"

There is no-one on this forum that would want their secrets, that are held in private, open for all to see. Not even secrets, just things that they do in their own privacy should stay that way.

All I am asking, is if there is such a person, then set up the thread.

The thing I struggle to understand is how there is so much sympathy and empathy for Kev over this matter when it's Laxie who has suffered a million times worse fate.

Some of the posts attacking her character really take my breath away in their brutality.

But the discussion on this thread is Kev being banned, the Laxie incident is only relevant because the two horrible horrible people who started all this, included it with the sole reason to hurt Kev even more.

I completely agree no one should be attacking Laxie's character, I completely agree.

i havent seen many of those, only from people close to the alleged perpetrator, and a defense mechanism like that is somewhat understandable.

Im sure if you were to start a thread offering symapthy and support for Laxie, then it would get 100 replies before the end of the day. I think that most right thinking people will recoil in horror at the though of what has allegedly taken place.  However, this thread (and the one before it) is basically about Kev. I actually fail to see what relevance his supposed viewing of this video has on the alleged crime.  As others have said, our own moral compasses get screwed up from time to time, and I personally have a hard time judging anybody, based on some of the less that savoury things I have done in my past. Should I be prepared to bring them up the next time I do something a bit silly and expect to be publicly hanged for it ?

i dont think anyone including myself have questioned dawn's character, all i have stated are cold hard facts of the whole night leading up to the video, the same facts i will tell the police when its my turn to make a statement.

i posted that no one had been charged, i was shot down and accused of making it up and then proven that i wasnt, but everyone believes what they want to believe.

i dont condone whats allegedly happened to dawn, i wish her well and hope that she is coping ok with the shit that is undoubtably in her life that this has only added to.

when and if this case comes to a conclusion i will post my full feelings  and views on it completely uneditted for all to see but until then i think its best for everyone involved if i dont post on this thread anymore.

If I was unlucky enough to be confronted with this video at the time I think/hope I would, at the very least, alerted Laxie of its exsistence.

I would like to think most people would.

Sigh.

OK people.  I can understand everyone's point of view on here, but because of the situation I am currently in I'm limited as to what views I can express.  In time, but now is not the time.  I do want to say thank you for the support I have received via various outlets.  It really has helped keep me calm through all of this.  I also want to give apologies to Tikay, Rich and the mods.  Man oh man...what a heap ye've landed in now - and I really do feel bad for the lot of you.

Yes, I am angry with Kev (as well as others) and yes I will get over it.  But I'm not just angry about my own situation.  

I was absolutely shocked over the Brendan issue.  I adored Brendan.  In fact, I'd bet my life not one person who ever met Brendan could say otherwise.  To me THAT was the bigger issue in the grand scheme of things.  I can fight my corner.  Kev can fight his.  Brendan can't fight any corner now.  It was his money and it didn't go to his family as and when it should have.  I know it has since made its way, but would it have got there at all if this hadn't been discovered?  None of us truly know the answer to that, but everyone will have their own opinion.  And my opinion wasn't pretty.  

probably.

lets not lose sight of the fact that only 2 weeks ago, almost everyone on this forum was sending Kev messages of support, hoping he could beat his demons. Lets not beat about the bush, he was/is mentally ill. Depression manifests itself in many forms, and I understand that a longing to be loved/to be part of something is a lot to do with it. It is related to self esteem. So here's a guy, low on self esteem being made to feel part of something , a select gang if you like. It probably made him feel good. To expect someone in that position to break a confidence is a hard thing to expect.

I haven't posted on the matter because I will prob be questioned shortly by the police and didn't want to say anything which may interfere with any investigation so in keeping with this whole thread I'll be somewhat vague.

However, I was on the night out with everyone (including the parties involved) the night before the incident took place and the video was subsequently sent to me after. People can know because I'm not hiding from the fact I'm one of those it was sent to.

I'm not proud of the fact I didn't say anything but from a personal standpoint, and I think I speak on behalf of most/all of those it was sent to - I think some of us who were sent the video were shocked by it and just didn't know how to react. It's the first time I'd ever seen something of it's nature and as stupid as it sounds, I thought it was maybe best forgotten.

Why would people who have not seen the video be questioned?

LOL ... please look at this thread and post.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=44390.msg1068995#msg1068995


Could you tell me if you ever paid the £250 Laxie, or have you simply and honestly forgotten about it ?  ... how would you feel if all and sundry started slating you because you have grimmed a poor sick little boy.

Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone always jumps to the worst possible conclusion !

Difference is myself and Mo have been in constant contact over that.  I made a bid which I intend to honour.  Fund transfers between Ireland and England are not as simple as they might seem unfortunately and transferring to her on a poker site won't help as they won't let her withdraw it.  But fair play...you gave it a go.  Having fun?  At least I can hold my head high and know I didn't steal from a deceased man's family. 

Fair enough, you have had almost a year and several visits to the UK in that time to sort it ... I had nearly 2 years to sort it.

never mind, like I said, we all make mistakes however it's peoples reactions to the mistakes that cause all the problems wouldn't you agree ?

Perhaps they were present at the time/night out and may have information as to the circumstances. Don't forget the video might be evidence but it's not the act. The act will be investigated and the video as part of the investigation will be looked into. If the video was investigated and the act looked into as part of this it wouldn't make sense.

Sandy