Wow !

[LeedsRhodesy]

On a well know forum I use (SA) they have a thread on the main boards, it details who is banned, for how long and why..This would be a great idea it might stop all the same bring back X posts if they knew what low life had done.

This^^ also good post tighty

[gatso]

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

the suggestion is that she has been through kev's pms. if this is true (no idea if it is) then it's pretty worrying as many people, myself included, will have at some point sent him personal details to enable him to sort out various problems with our a/cs. all of these details are now potentially compromised

that's without going into various other things that people may have written to kev which they wanted to remain private, hence the use of private messaging

[TightEnd]

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

the suggestion is that she has been through kev's pms. if this is true (no idea if it is) then it's pretty worrying as many people, myself included, will have at some point sent him personal details to enable him to sort out various problems with our a/cs. all of these details are now potentially compromised

that's without going into various other things that people may have written to kev which they wanted to remain private, hence the use of private messaging

Understand completely gatso   

[LeedsRhodesy]

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

the suggestion is that she has been through kev's pms. if this is true (no idea if it is) then it's pretty worrying as many people, myself included, will have at some point sent him personal details to enable him to sort out various problems with our a/cs. all of these details are now potentially compromised

that's without going into various other things that people may have written to kev which they wanted to remain private, hence the use of private messaging

Understand completely gatso.

if she has gone through his MSN, emails and whole computer i think the chance of Jane going through his blonde Pm's are very high, Is all needs sorting out fast as it not really making the forum a good place at the moment

[bobby1]

The question I have now Rich is  this. As part of your investigation did you or anyone else request the checking of Kevs data by Jane?

[TightEnd]

The question I have now Rich is  this. As part of your investigation did you or anyone else request the checking of Kevs data by Jane?

I did not no. As I have said the Brendan issue was raised as a verbal concern to me. After the family had been contacted I then got the data from our former card-room provider

On the Dawn issue, which was her issue not a blonde poker issue, again no request from me.

As tikay was unaware of the Brendan issue until ten days ago, the same answers will apply to him I would think

[bobby1]

The question I have now Rich is  this. As part of your investigation did you or anyone else request the checking of Kevs data by Jane?

I did not no. As I have said the Brendan issue was raised as a verbal concern to me. After the family had been contacted I then got the data from our former card-room provider

On the Dawn issue, which was her issue not a blonde poker issue, again no request from me.

As tikay was unaware of the Brendan issue until ten days ago, the same answers will apply to him I would think

thanks

[SuffolkPunch]

Everything about this whole thing stinks, I can't remember ever having been soo disgusted on various levels about this many things..but I reckon only one person comes out well out of this whole thing TBH and that's Laxie.

Much, MUCH respect.

Cheers my wee bald dwarf, but without help from Jane - which she is now being attacked over - I may never have seen the justice I deserve for my own invasion of privacy.  Kind of ironic, isn't it?

That'd be one of the things that pisses me off It's baffling.

They're unrelated incidents though Bold one.

The invasion of Kev's privacy is not suddenly made ok because it happened to unveil another wrong doing by someone else.

If Jane had specifically invaded Kev's privacy because she thought she may be able to find out about this other crime then I could maybe understand but I doubt very much that that's the case.

Maybe I'm wrong though who knows. If she really thought there was evidence of a crime on Kev's pc she should've been handing it over to the police anyway not routing through the hard drive like an amateur P.I.

In my opinion the mod that went through kev's PMs and msn convos should be de-modded. Everyone who communicated with Kev through these means has also had their privacy violated. If I had PM-ed Kev a message of support in the last few weeks, possibly with some personal information in it, I would not be happy right now.

Cos has asked me to address this post

Well first off it's not me that has to address this post really, tikay is in charge of de-modding and modding

However, as I am here...

Yes I had to check out the Brendan case but was doing so from a company viewpoint. At the end of that as I have stated previously I gave an unsolicited opinion that Kev should not be a mod anymore which is a forum issue. Final say is tikay's. If he disagreed with me, his view goes.

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

Anyway, that's not the central point, as we know. The point that is being raised is whether Jane should be a mod. I have said to tikay that I will support any decision made by him on anyone's mod-ship. With particular reference to Jane I gave a view to tikay on this last week but it was probably incorrect to do so. I would think my view expressed then, if this thread is anything to go by, would be a minority view. He does know though all the context in which I gave the opinion, as uncomfortable as it was to go through it. I happen to have been of the view that in attempting to help Dawn resolve her issue that the intention was not of vindictiveness towards Kev. I though am not comfortable or happy that it took accessing another's files to do this, who would be?.  On the Brendan issue the doubt was raised verbally to me and I was not or am not aware that the concern involved any privacy issues.

Now onto personally difficult stuff....

Much of the private "hate mail" (hate mail is the wrong term, but bear with me) tells me that I acted dishonourably, that I acted out of personal priorities and not out of fairness, and that (suppose I had better be blunt) my motivation is to stitch up Kev and hook up with Jane. In part this view will have come from Kev's blog, of course.

In public it has been said that I offered "one eyed" counsel to tikay and that in the past I had "knocked up" Jane when she was still with a work colleague. Both of those suggestions troubled me greatly. The first because I cannot think of a single occasion over five years when I have ever put self interest on this forum ahead of blonde Poker's interest.  This occasion is no different. The second because it is simply untrue.

So the last month has been a rough time by my rather cosseted standards. An issue landed on my desk, not in a manner I would have chosen in the sense that very sensitive knowledge was with third parties. I knew right from the outset that if the issue I was investigating was shown to be true then in sorting that out I risked damage to my personal reputation because I KNEW that the inferences of the last 48 hours would be drawn. Yet I had to investigate knowing that.

Just to conclude, given the complicated background (women!) it is fair to say that Kev and I have a complex relationship. Despite that we managed to have a decent working relationship for three years. We've spoken this afternoon at length on these issues. Apologies have been given and accepted.

If anyone feels I have acted improperly, and I believe Kev no longer does, then PM me or ring me. I am on 07887 987044. No abusive texts though please. Had enough of those.

So back to the issue, de-modding or not? Not up to me. Shouldn't be up to me.

A cop-out to end with.

lmao at these sigs

What do you mean?

[boldie]

Can't be bothered to quote Evilpie as it just makes everything too long.

In short, worrying about Ginge "invading Kev's Privacy", not really my problem TBH. I have no reason to believe she would do that to anyone else and, although I understand some people think it's wrong there are really more worrying things to be concerned about IMO.

The list would be pretty much this;

xx for being a pervert. (If this was MrsB he'd be dead)
The people that saw the video and knew something was dodgy but decided to have a giggle instead. (If this was MrsB I would have extracted their teeth for free)
The people that saw the video, knew something was wrong, didn't giggle but decided to keep quiet. (Shame on you..I mean really..FFS!)

And then some other stuff...and then maybe at the bottom would be a mod going through someone's MSN conversations.

I agree TK didn't handle the OP brilliantly..no doubt about that IMO. The Brendan thing could and should have been kept private.....but those last two are not really things I'd be concerned about.
Banning Kev makes me feel uncomfortable, but mainly because apparently there are others on blonde, involved with blonde, that also watched the video and kept shtum. Why are they still here?

[Karabiner]

Everything about this whole thing stinks, I can't remember ever having been soo disgusted on various levels about this many things..but I reckon only one person comes out well out of this whole thing TBH and that's Laxie.

Much, MUCH respect.

Cheers my wee bald dwarf, but without help from Jane - which she is now being attacked over - I may never have seen the justice I deserve for my own invasion of privacy.  Kind of ironic, isn't it?

That'd be one of the things that pisses me off It's baffling.

They're unrelated incidents though Bold one.

The invasion of Kev's privacy is not suddenly made ok because it happened to unveil another wrong doing by someone else.

If Jane had specifically invaded Kev's privacy because she thought she may be able to find out about this other crime then I could maybe understand but I doubt very much that that's the case.

Maybe I'm wrong though who knows. If she really thought there was evidence of a crime on Kev's pc she should've been handing it over to the police anyway not routing through the hard drive like an amateur P.I.

In my opinion the mod that went through kev's PMs and msn convos should be de-modded. Everyone who communicated with Kev through these means has also had their privacy violated. If I had PM-ed Kev a message of support in the last few weeks, possibly with some personal information in it, I would not be happy right now.

Cos has asked me to address this post

Well first off it's not me that has to address this post really, tikay is in charge of de-modding and modding

However, as I am here...

Yes I had to check out the Brendan case but was doing so from a company viewpoint. At the end of that as I have stated previously I gave an unsolicited opinion that Kev should not be a mod anymore which is a forum issue. Final say is tikay's. If he disagreed with me, his view goes.

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

Anyway, that's not the central point, as we know. The point that is being raised is whether Jane should be a mod. I have said to tikay that I will support any decision made by him on anyone's mod-ship. With particular reference to Jane I gave a view to tikay on this last week but it was probably incorrect to do so. I would think my view expressed then, if this thread is anything to go by, would be a minority view. He does know though all the context in which I gave the opinion, as uncomfortable as it was to go through it. I happen to have been of the view that in attempting to help Dawn resolve her issue that the intention was not of vindictiveness towards Kev. I though am not comfortable or happy that it took accessing another's files to do this, who would be?.  On the Brendan issue the doubt was raised verbally to me and I was not or am not aware that the concern involved any privacy issues.

Now onto personally difficult stuff....

Much of the private "hate mail" (hate mail is the wrong term, but bear with me) tells me that I acted dishonourably, that I acted out of personal priorities and not out of fairness, and that (suppose I had better be blunt) my motivation is to stitch up Kev and hook up with Jane. In part this view will have come from Kev's blog, of course.

In public it has been said that I offered "one eyed" counsel to tikay and that in the past I had "knocked up" Jane when she was still with a work colleague. Both of those suggestions troubled me greatly. The first because I cannot think of a single occasion over five years when I have ever put self interest on this forum ahead of blonde Poker's interest.  This occasion is no different. The second because it is simply untrue.

So the last month has been a rough time by my rather cosseted standards. An issue landed on my desk, not in a manner I would have chosen in the sense that very sensitive knowledge was with third parties. I knew right from the outset that if the issue I was investigating was shown to be true then in sorting that out I risked damage to my personal reputation because I KNEW that the inferences of the last 48 hours would be drawn. Yet I had to investigate knowing that.

Just to conclude, given the complicated background (women!) it is fair to say that Kev and I have a complex relationship. Despite that we managed to have a decent working relationship for three years. We've spoken this afternoon at length on these issues. Apologies have been given and accepted.

If anyone feels I have acted improperly, and I believe Kev no longer does, then PM me or ring me. I am on 07887 987044. No abusive texts though please. Had enough of those.

So back to the issue, de-modding or not? Not up to me. Shouldn't be up to me.

A cop-out to end with.

lmao at these sigs

What do you mean?

Who ?

[TightPaulFolds]

Everything about this whole thing stinks, I can't remember ever having been soo disgusted on various levels about this many things..but I reckon only one person comes out well out of this whole thing TBH and that's Laxie.

Much, MUCH respect.

Cheers my wee bald dwarf, but without help from Jane - which she is now being attacked over - I may never have seen the justice I deserve for my own invasion of privacy.  Kind of ironic, isn't it?

That'd be one of the things that pisses me off It's baffling.

They're unrelated incidents though Bold one.

The invasion of Kev's privacy is not suddenly made ok because it happened to unveil another wrong doing by someone else.

If Jane had specifically invaded Kev's privacy because she thought she may be able to find out about this other crime then I could maybe understand but I doubt very much that that's the case.

Maybe I'm wrong though who knows. If she really thought there was evidence of a crime on Kev's pc she should've been handing it over to the police anyway not routing through the hard drive like an amateur P.I.

In my opinion the mod that went through kev's PMs and msn convos should be de-modded. Everyone who communicated with Kev through these means has also had their privacy violated. If I had PM-ed Kev a message of support in the last few weeks, possibly with some personal information in it, I would not be happy right now.

Cos has asked me to address this post

Well first off it's not me that has to address this post really, tikay is in charge of de-modding and modding

However, as I am here...

Yes I had to check out the Brendan case but was doing so from a company viewpoint. At the end of that as I have stated previously I gave an unsolicited opinion that Kev should not be a mod anymore which is a forum issue. Final say is tikay's. If he disagreed with me, his view goes.

With regard to Jane, I may be wrong (happening a lot recently) but I don't think there is a suggestion is there that she has been through PMs on here? No mod, as was explained yesterday, can access PMs. I have no idea if Jane had Kev's forum password. Admins can of course access PMs if they change a member's password but the member would be aware that someone has changed the password and there would be a trail back to the admin.

Anyway, that's not the central point, as we know. The point that is being raised is whether Jane should be a mod. I have said to tikay that I will support any decision made by him on anyone's mod-ship. With particular reference to Jane I gave a view to tikay on this last week but it was probably incorrect to do so. I would think my view expressed then, if this thread is anything to go by, would be a minority view. He does know though all the context in which I gave the opinion, as uncomfortable as it was to go through it. I happen to have been of the view that in attempting to help Dawn resolve her issue that the intention was not of vindictiveness towards Kev. I though am not comfortable or happy that it took accessing another's files to do this, who would be?.  On the Brendan issue the doubt was raised verbally to me and I was not or am not aware that the concern involved any privacy issues.

Now onto personally difficult stuff....

Much of the private "hate mail" (hate mail is the wrong term, but bear with me) tells me that I acted dishonourably, that I acted out of personal priorities and not out of fairness, and that (suppose I had better be blunt) my motivation is to stitch up Kev and hook up with Jane. In part this view will have come from Kev's blog, of course.

In public it has been said that I offered "one eyed" counsel to tikay and that in the past I had "knocked up" Jane when she was still with a work colleague. Both of those suggestions troubled me greatly. The first because I cannot think of a single occasion over five years when I have ever put self interest on this forum ahead of blonde Poker's interest.  This occasion is no different. The second because it is simply untrue.

So the last month has been a rough time by my rather cosseted standards. An issue landed on my desk, not in a manner I would have chosen in the sense that very sensitive knowledge was with third parties. I knew right from the outset that if the issue I was investigating was shown to be true then in sorting that out I risked damage to my personal reputation because I KNEW that the inferences of the last 48 hours would be drawn. Yet I had to investigate knowing that.

Just to conclude, given the complicated background (women!) it is fair to say that Kev and I have a complex relationship. Despite that we managed to have a decent working relationship for three years. We've spoken this afternoon at length on these issues. Apologies have been given and accepted.

If anyone feels I have acted improperly, and I believe Kev no longer does, then PM me or ring me. I am on 07887 987044. No abusive texts though please. Had enough of those.

So back to the issue, de-modding or not? Not up to me. Shouldn't be up to me.

A cop-out to end with.

lmao at these sigs

What do you mean?

The sig is the 'signature' that you choose to have placed automatically below every post. It was kinda excellent

[Delboy]

Can't be bothered to quote Evilpie as it just makes everything too long.

In short, worrying about Ginge "invading Kev's Privacy", not really my problem TBH. I have no reason to believe she would do that to anyone else and, although I understand some people think it's wrong there are really more worrying things to be concerned about IMO.

The list would be pretty much this;

the guy involved for being a pervert. (If this was MrsB he'd be dead)
The people that saw the video and knew something was dodgy but decided to have a giggle instead. (If this was MrsB I would have extracted their teeth for free)
The people that saw the video, knew something was wrong, didn't giggle but decided to keep quiet. (Shame on you..I mean really..FFS!)

And then some other stuff...and then maybe at the bottom would be a mod going through someone's MSN conversations.

I agree TK didn't handle the OP brilliantly..no doubt about that IMO. The Brendan thing could and should have been kept private.....but those last two are not really things I'd be concerned about.
Banning Kev makes me feel uncomfortable, but mainly because apparently there are others on blonde, involved with blonde, that also watched the video and kept shtum. Why are they still here?

Very good post

I think people are losing sight of the real injustice.

[GreekStein]

Just got off a half an hour phone call with Tikay.

I understand a few more facts now than I did before. I would like to publicly apologise to him for certain things I said on the thread and understand a little better why he took certain actions.

I'd urge others to ring him before posting too.

I made it clear that I feel Jane should still be de-modded.

[bobby1]

Can't be bothered to quote Evilpie as it just makes everything too long.

In short, worrying about Ginge "invading Kev's Privacy", not really my problem TBH. I have no reason to believe she would do that to anyone else and, although I understand some people think it's wrong there are really more worrying things to be concerned about IMO.

The list would be pretty much this;

xx for being a pervert. (If this was MrsB he'd be dead)
The people that saw the video and knew something was dodgy but decided to have a giggle instead. (If this was MrsB I would have extracted their teeth for free)
The people that saw the video, knew something was wrong, didn't giggle but decided to keep quiet. (Shame on you..I mean really..FFS!)

And then some other stuff...and then maybe at the bottom would be a mod going through someone's MSN conversations.

I agree TK didn't handle the OP brilliantly..no doubt about that IMO. The Brendan thing could and should have been kept private.....but those last two are not really things I'd be concerned about.
Banning Kev makes me feel uncomfortable, but mainly because apparently there are others on blonde, involved with blonde, that also watched the video and kept shtum. Why are they still here?

Very good post

I think people are losing sight of the real injustice.

you are spot on, this is a far more serious matter and I feel bad that it was something I read and didnt take in properly at the time.

[tikay]

Can't be bothered to quote Evilpie as it just makes everything too long.

In short, worrying about Ginge "invading Kev's Privacy", not really my problem TBH. I have no reason to believe she would do that to anyone else and, although I understand some people think it's wrong there are really more worrying things to be concerned about IMO.

The list would be pretty much this;

xx for being a pervert. (If this was MrsB he'd be dead)
The people that saw the video and knew something was dodgy but decided to have a giggle instead. (If this was MrsB I would have extracted their teeth for free)
The people that saw the video, knew something was wrong, didn't giggle but decided to keep quiet. (Shame on you..I mean really..FFS!)

And then some other stuff...and then maybe at the bottom would be a mod going through someone's MSN conversations.

I agree TK didn't handle the OP brilliantly..no doubt about that IMO. The Brendan thing could and should have been kept private.....but those last two are not really things I'd be concerned about.
Banning Kev makes me feel uncomfortable, but mainly because apparently there are others on blonde, involved with blonde, that also watched the video and kept shtum. Why are they still here?

I'm working tonight, elsewhere, 3-Tabling (or trying to), but I'll field that question later this evening if I may.

In the interim, my advice would be NOT to speculate on matters pertaining to the Video. The Police are heavily involved, & active in the matter, as recently as  last night & today. The matters you mention are very much "live".

Thanks.