OK, but previously I'd offset them having JJ+ less of the time about the same as them spewing more often than the nit, leaving 15:1 still a fair price. Is that not the case?
about 35% of the time q6s will of made a pair by the turn. then flush draw on flop is 10% so over 4 cards like 13%. then staright draw 9% so like 12% of time. obv loads of those overlap and sometimes dead but i think probs more than 50% of the time Q6s will have 1 or more outs to win on the river v kk. probably pretty easy to find out the answer with some computer software.
i feel robbed, my good friend brent horner who i thoiught had been tipping up denman (see his avatar) turns out he isnt. this was after me making teh allin move on denman. fml