I am really glad I never suggested that Fred get onside with Napoli last night.  

I had a pretty bad night with my 3 strongest bets all going down like the Titanic.  Thankfully some of my bets on the alternative markets won and I just about broke even.  I guess thinking we are beating the price in the champions League is like betting the EPL games.  If it looks too good to be true then it probably is.

Yes, there is not much "hidden" value in the main CL markets. There can be over-betting of "punters favourites" on occasion, I suppose.

Both the Manchester Teams play tonight, & both are available to win at fancy prices, which I find rather tempting, but it is probably fool's gold.

I was looking this morning at those games and I think I am going to be against both.  Not the types to rec on this thread though.

Really?  Man City looked a very big price on Betfred at 12/5.  I am not a big believer in this Bundesliga is better than the Premiership thing that is going on.  There really can't be much between the sides and 12/5 just looks massive for the home side to me.  I think the Man U match looks less obvious and haven't had a bet.

12/5 looks big on the home team to me as well.

12/5 is an excellent price on MCFC. But Fred Done is no mug.

I am in the camp that is 100% certain the Bundesliga is better than the EPL.  Not only that, I am yet to be convinced by MCFC in Europe. I know it's all about sample size etc but much of my betting on football is done on my own touch and feel. Sometimes we get situations where the price differential gives more value than expected and it can be worth swerving. Just my opinion fwiw.

I am really glad I never suggested that Fred get onside with Napoli last night. 

I had a pretty bad night with my 3 strongest bets all going down like the Titanic.  Thankfully some of my bets on the alternative markets won and I just about broke even.  I guess thinking we are beating the price in the champions League is like betting the EPL games.  If it looks too good to be true then it probably is.

Yes, there is not much "hidden" value in the main CL markets. There can be over-betting of "punters favourites" on occasion, I suppose.

Both the Manchester Teams play tonight, & both are available to win at fancy prices, which I find rather tempting, but it is probably fool's gold.

I was looking this morning at those games and I think I am going to be against both.  Not the types to rec on this thread though.

I am really glad I never suggested that Fred get onside with Napoli last night. 

I had a pretty bad night with my 3 strongest bets all going down like the Titanic.  Thankfully some of my bets on the alternative markets won and I just about broke even.  I guess thinking we are beating the price in the champions League is like betting the EPL games.  If it looks too good to be true then it probably is.

I would like to add to the Arsenal v Napoli debate.  

I was going to suggest that Fred back Napoli.  when I checked Betfair earlier today they could be back at 7/2.  For me this is a no brainer.  I am not a huge fan of Rafa but he knows how to beat Arsenal.  Granted I think in his 20 matches against Wenger he is behind 6 - 8 with 8 drawn.  But for many of those games he was in charge of a Liverpool side that just weren't on par with Arsenal.  

Napoli are a fantastic counter attacking side, we don't get to see much of that side of their game as Seire A is not as defensive as it once was.  Arsenal have been decent so far, but in spells they look weak at the back.

Congrats to newboy, great first post Sir!

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Thank you. I must say the game played out exactly as envisaged.  Disappointed I never played the under 2.5 goal market .

I believe the Premier League is one of, if not the hardest markets out there to book a win on but two things stand out to me today Liverpool despite their good start to the season look very short.

In the Stoke v Norwich game I am surprised to see how big a price we can get on FGS and anytime scorers. 

Are there any thoughts out there on either game? I haven't bet yet, not sure I will as I am not overly keen on betting every televised match. It's a fast road to ruin.

I'm on Stoke and would oppose Liverpool if they shorten any further, no idea about this FGS market though.

How'd you rate Athletico Madrid's chances in the CL midweek / outright?

I left the Stoke game.  I was looking at Hooper FGS and anytime. Likely that I will lay Liverpool but I am not confident enough to suggest that bet for Fred.

Regards Athletico I was very impressed last night and I have been on a number of occasions in the past 12 months.  I would be confident of them making the last 8 and then it's fairly open.  I would fear for England's representatives this year I think it's between Barca, Athletico, Bayern , Dortmund and Juve.

Congrats to newboy, great first post Sir!

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Thank you. I must say the game played out exactly as envisaged.  Disappointed I never played the under 2.5 goal market .

I believe the Premier League is one of, if not the hardest markets out there to book a win on but two things stand out to me today Liverpool despite their good start to the season look very short.

In the Stoke v Norwich game I am surprised to see how big a price we can get on FGS and anytime scorers. 

Are there any thoughts out there on either game? I haven't bet yet, not sure I will as I am not overly keen on betting every televised match. It's a fast road to ruin.

What a belting game of football.

Arda Turan is steadily becoming one of my most favourite footballers.

Our bet is looking good at the moment, I would be far happier had we managed a second goal, we have had chances. 

@Tal  - thank you for the welcome . I said I read every post I didn't look at the photo montages, well not the one that photo appeared in. ;-)  100% not  a gooner especially  not after that  goal they conceded today that proved to be costly for me. No spider but I have a parrot that has a view on all racing.

@ironside good luck with your selections, I am not saying Real won't win I just don't believe there is value in backing them and the price for an away win seems much bigger than I thought it should be.

Hello all I have read every single post and I absolutely love this thread. Never signed up for a forum but I have a tentative suggestion and I would like to hear the opinions of others.

I think the industry have overrated this Real Madrid team . I have watched a number of their matches this season and I am yet to be convinced. Additionally I really like what Simeone is doing with Athletico . I have backed Athletico on different sites at prices ranging from 19/5 to 5/1.

If I were to suggest a bet for thread I would recommend laying Real at around 4/5  or backing Athletico DNB  @ 11/4 on betfair.

I would appreciate the input of others.