Omaha cash game quandry.

[Junior Senior]

I am posting this as i know i played it horribly, i now know what i should have done but am interested in knowing how you play this?

$1-$2 PLO  I have $82 left and have limped in the SB with 

There are 7 limpers and i am obviously first to act after the flop.  The flop is:

 

Couldn't really be better, I have top set with the nut flush draw - ayyyyaaaarrrrr!

I really should have checked here and check raised all-in if someone bet but i bet out the full pot $14.  I get 2 callers.  I like the fact i have callers as i pretty much have the deck crippled.  I quickly tried to work out what the oppos likely hands were.  I am putting at least one of them on 78 with a smaller flush draw (perhaps K high or Q high).  I am quite sure i would get reraised with a set of 666 here.  One of them could have 666 or 333 but its highly unlikely.  if they make quads and me top boat then so be it.  I supose i have to be affraid of overcards drawing to a higher set but that is also a slim chance.  I am hoping for a a club and hope to get paid by a smaller flush.  the turn comes....

 


FFS!!! - this has to be the worse card in the deck!  i have only $66 left, the pot is $56. - what should i do??  thoughts pls.....


I am going out now but will post and look again later.

[The Baron]

Check then reassess after both have acted.

[Junior Senior]

I checked. - The 1st guy bet $40 and the second guy called.

What now?

[riverdave]

I'm allin for your remaining $66 it's likely you've gone behind now but you've got a lot of outs and all your outs are  drawing to the nuts if you rule out quads and str8 flushes. With 3 way action you certainly can't pass your hand, i get the other $26 in to make sure you get paid by both as they could pass on river and there is still a slim chance you are in front.

[Karabiner]

I would stick it all in, but I would have bet the turn because I knew that I was never going to pass.

You have 17 outs by my calculations and excellent pot odds to call.

If the guy has hit a set of T's well that is unlucky, but you still have the flush to hit and you may still be winning.

[Junior Senior]

Yes. I now know i should have moved in but sadly i didn't.  Played it horribly, didn't catch a club and the board didn't pair and in deed both matey boys A and B had 78 for the nut straight.

I guess its one of those situations where you know you have gone behind but with the chips you have left versus what the pot is offering you just have to lump it in and hope to redraw to the nuts.

thanks for confirming my weakness 

[The Baron]

Well if you are going to lump it in anyway then you may as well wait till both of their stacks are in.

If you lumped it in on the turn first to act but then scare one off you've only decreased your potential gain with the same odds to hit.

[Karabiner]

Well if you are going to lump it in anyway then you may as well wait till both of their stacks are in.

If you lumped it in on the turn first to act but then scare one off you've only decreased your potential gain with the same odds to hit.

Is this not balanced by the fact that they may both fold ?

[NoflopsHomer]

Well if you are going to lump it in anyway then you may as well wait till both of their stacks are in.

If you lumped it in on the turn first to act but then scare one off you've only decreased your potential gain with the same odds to hit.

Is this not balanced by the fact that they may both fold ?

I agree with Karabiner, there's no point in calling all-in if there's at least a decent percentage chance that they'll fold anyway if you move in first. If they call you'll get the odds anyway, but at least you can get a shot to take the pot uncontested.

P.S Junior, why hadn't you reloaded sooner?

[Junior Senior]

hmmmmm.  Its a tough one.  I can see baron's reasoning and Karabiner's points too - both are valid but i really don't think either of my oppos are folding.

I could not possibly see any other hands that they had.  Most players do not go all-in in omaha cash without the nuts or a nut draw.  As i had the nuts and 1 of the 2 obvious nut draws on the flop, i pretty much had the deck strangled.  I therefore catagorically knew they both must have had 7-8.  I therefore knew that with the   on the turn i had gone behind.  I checked hoping they would both check (trapping) and i could catch up for free.  If they bet i knew i was calling (therefore maximising my gain) as Baron states.  There was no way they were going to fold the nuts or a big draw with my remaining stack so why lump it in when there was the slimmest chance they might both check - then if i don't improve i can always check/fold on the river?

They both went all in and I ended up check/calling all in on the turn and missed.

Comments.....?

[Junior Senior]

Well if you are going to lump it in anyway then you may as well wait till both of their stacks are in.

If you lumped it in on the turn first to act but then scare one off you've only decreased your potential gain with the same odds to hit.

Is this not balanced by the fact that they may both fold ?

I agree with Karabiner, there's no point in calling all-in if there's at least a decent percentage chance that they'll fold anyway if you move in first. If they call you'll get the odds anyway, but at least you can get a shot to take the pot uncontested.

P.S Junior, why hadn't you reloaded sooner?

I didnt reload as I was just about ready for leaving when this hand came up.  i had just suffered a minor beat previously for half my buy-in and felt tilty :-) - reloading when red tilty rage is setting in a recipe for a most disgusting cake in deed.

[NoflopsHomer]

Fair enough, I'm of the opinion though that the chances of them folding to your all-in bet are greater than the chances of them checking the turn with a straight that is still very vunerable, especially since if a scare card for them does come on the river following a check round would mean you won't get paid off.

[Royal Flush]

Betting the turn is a mistake IMO. You let them off hands you have strangled and you are only beat by 1 hand, which is never passing!

By checking you may let 2 pair fill on the river and pay you off, or a pair/Khi fd combo complete, these hands would fold with ease on the turn. Betting the turn here is a bluff, and why bluff with the 2nd best hand?

[Karabiner]

Because you only have $66 which is going in anyhow. May as well get it in first imo.

[Royal Flush]

Because you only have $66 which is going in anyhow. May as well get it in first imo.

For what purpose? Push 2 pair or lower set out?