Re: I've just Folded KK Preflop

[LeKnave]

Haha i think i nice tell is the fact that the raiser says "only 20 to go to money", id pick up on this as pretty weak and wanting to pick up the blinds then and there...in that situation...i call it, i dont play to 'scrape' the money, u want to win the damn thing, interested to know how far u went?

LeKnave

[RonK]

u played that hand all wrong,its almost sickening

[totalise]

u played that hand all wrong,its almost sickening

whats sickening is that your posts in the Hand Analysis have nearly always been posted in a condescending manner... usually devoid of any useful advice whatsoever.

Not everybody is a full time world reknowned professional poker player like you, so its likely that people will make mistakes. If they cant post it here without people like you offering them nothing apart from pointless insults and snide comments, then how do you think that will make the less abled players feel about posting in this section of the forum?

Maybe it was a bad fold, but the whole point of this board is to try and help people understand why, not just for a bunch of people to cry out "bad fold".. "man, you suck at life"  "your fold makes me sick" and so on

Mods, I apologise for the tone of this post, but its something that has been getting on my nerves for a while in here. Delete/modify as required

[M3boy]

 

People pay their money and can play how they want.

Personally in this situation, I would of re raised preflop looking to take it here and now or at least get it heads up, you have the position. I would of also bet the flop with an Ace high.

As for folding KK preflop, of course you can (in rare circumstances but there are times to fold KK preflop, raise re raise all in etc,,,)

I can see your thinking on folding here, but i personally wouldnt of done it in this situation - play to win baby!!

GL

[ifm]

Playing to win is an interesting concept, on the plus side you generally get yourself into a position where you have plenty of chips come the final table.
The downside is you bust out of a huge percentage of tournies, sometimes unnecessarily.
It's an interesting quandary, do i gamble or do i limp into the money?
Do i gamble sometimes or just on the odd occasion?
Do i have the "gears" required to do both at times?
I think the best strategy is to avoid the allin coinflips and just raise preflop in position as often as possible and lay down to reraises (i mean with a wide range of hands).
I'm interested to know what people mean by "i play to win".

As for this hand Graham the truth is there is only one hand beating you, this is the most important factor preflop, as it happens you drop them on the flop but you can only really consider folding KK preflop if it is costing you all of your stack and even then only if it is obvious from the betting he has aces.
There was a post by Rob Yong about playing KK preflop and he advocated calling and seeing a flop because if an ace flops you can get away from it (if not you can push him off AX) , whereas if you go allin a guy with AX has 5 cards to hit his ace.
Overall though folding here will cost you over time.

[M3boy]

There was a post by Rob Yong about playing KK preflop and he advocated calling and seeing a flop because if an ace flops you can get away from it

Not necessarily, just because an ace hits the flop, you can still win the pot. Depends on who you are playing.

If you have raised preflop, and just got called, chances are they dont have AK and even if they do, YOU raised preflop. Whats to say YOU dont have AA?? or have hit a set? or two pair? The other person does not know you have KK.

I for one will ALWAYS bet out first on an ace high flop if I have raised preflop (holding 10 10 JJ QQ KK), even raise if someone bets infront of me - I would say that more than 50% of the time I take down the pot there and then.

[ifm]

There was a post by Rob Yong about playing KK preflop and he advocated calling and seeing a flop because if an ace flops you can get away from it

Not necessarily, just because an ace hits the flop, you can still win the pot. Depends on who you are playing.

If you have raised preflop, and just got called, chances are they dont have AK and even if they do, YOU raised preflop. Whats to say YOU dont have AA?? or have hit a set? or two pair? The other person does not know you have KK.

I for one will ALWAYS bet an ace high flop if I have raised preflop (holding 10 10 JJ QQ KK) - I would say that more than 50% of the time I take down the pot there and then.

I agree, i always have a pop at an ace high flop if i've raised with a PP.
I meant if someone bets into me on an ace high flop in this situation.

[Royal Flush]

wait till flushy reads this 

lol.

If you are scared of the bubble (which is still 20 away!!!) and you dont want to risk losing KK then just knock it all in! Myself i am looking to get action here as i dont get KK that often so i would re-raise to 2500

[Josh]

I push all-in purely because of his comment about "20 from the money" and reply with some sort of comment goading him to call.

[Jim-D]

Thats 2 pre flop folds of KK in just over a week (dewi passed the others.......and his opponent showed him AA)

[temp0r]

its a $5 buy-in. for christ sake.

[Jim-D]

its a $5 buy-in. for christ sake.

What differance does that make?

[Jim-D]

its a $5 buy-in. for christ sake.

What differance does that make?

A  lot!

Care to explain?

[Jim-D]

its a $5 buy-in. for christ sake.

What differance does that make?

A  lot!

Care to explain?

No need to explain!

OK.   

[RonK]

u played that hand all wrong,its almost sickening

whats sickening is that your posts in the Hand Analysis have nearly always been posted in a condescending manner... usually devoid of any useful advice whatsoever.

Not everybody is a full time world reknowned professional poker player like you, so its likely that people will make mistakes. If they cant post it here without people like you offering them nothing apart from pointless insults and snide comments, then how do you think that will make the less abled players feel about posting in this section of the forum?

Maybe it was a bad fold, but the whole point of this board is to try and help people understand why, not just for a bunch of people to cry out "bad fold".. "man, you suck at life"  "your fold makes me sick" and so on

Mods, I apologise for the tone of this post, but its something that has been getting on my nerves for a while in here. Delete/modify as required





my god ur using the old cliche we're all not poker professionals like you,very orignal if i had a cookie id give it to you.