Cash game help.

[Royal Flush]

Ok i am trying some 1-2 cash and not having much success with it. I tried party yesterday but i cant stand the site and lost 3 buyins in 8hrs worth of play so i thought i would try tribecca.

I like the site more and my hands actually started winnnig instead of losing all was going well untill this hand cropped up, is there anything i could have done? This is not a bad beat post i really dont know if i should be getting away from this in NL cash please help me!

Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Dukes of Hazzard 8161276-84883 Holdem No Limit $1/$2
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Hand Start.
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 1 : zthomas has $144.52
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 2 : Bigboyen has $501.25
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 3 : spectre1 has $167.96
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 4 : basspro3 has $136
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 5 : foxxster has $278.21
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 6 : MICHAEL999 has $580.54
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 7 : kingsriver2 has $129.75
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 8 : JaxieJ has $43.75
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 9 : Flush Royal has $174.50
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Bigboyen is the dealer.
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : spectre1 posted small blind.
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : basspro3 posted big blind.
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Game [84883] started with 9 players.
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 12 00:00:55] : Seat 9 : Flush Royal has
[Jul 12 00:01:10] : foxxster has 10 seconds to respond.
[Jul 12 00:01:15] : foxxster called $2
[Jul 12 00:01:15] : MICHAEL999 folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:15] : kingsriver2 folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:16] : JaxieJ folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:18] : Flush Royal called $2
[Jul 12 00:01:20] : zthomas called $2
[Jul 12 00:01:21] : Bigboyen folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:23] : spectre1 called $1
[Jul 12 00:01:28] : basspro3 checked.
[Jul 12 00:01:28] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 12 00:01:28] : Board cards [ ]
[Jul 12 00:01:35] : spectre1 checked.
[Jul 12 00:01:37] : basspro3 checked.
[Jul 12 00:01:40] : foxxster checked.
[Jul 12 00:01:44] : Flush Royal bet $8
[Jul 12 00:01:46] : zthomas folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:47] : spectre1 folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:48] : basspro3 folded.
[Jul 12 00:01:51] : foxxster called $8
[Jul 12 00:01:51] : Dealing turn.
[Jul 12 00:01:51] : Board cards [ ]
[Jul 12 00:01:54] : foxxster checked.
[Jul 12 00:01:58] : Flush Royal bet $15
[Jul 12 00:02:00] : foxxster called $15
[Jul 12 00:02:01] : Dealing river.
[Jul 12 00:02:01] : Board cards [ ]
[Jul 12 00:02:02] : foxxster checked.
[Jul 12 00:02:12] : Flush Royal bet $35
[Jul 12 00:02:19] : foxxster called $35 and raised $218.21 and is All-in
[Jul 12 00:02:21] : Flush Royal called $114.50 and is All-in
[Jul 12 00:02:21] : Showdown!
[Jul 12 00:02:21] : Seat 9 : Flush Royal has
[Jul 12 00:02:23] : Seat 5 : foxxster has
[Jul 12 00:02:23] : foxxster has Full House : Jacks full of
[Jul 12 00:02:23] : foxxster wins $352 with Full House : Jacks full of
[Jul 12 00:03:29] : Hand is over.

[thetank]

That's definately a call on Tribecca as far as I can see.

Unlucky.

[Lee]

QT would be my main worry after the turn and his subsequent call, however with the board pairing on the river, i would have also been stacked and i doubt if anyone in the world wouldn't have been.

Thats just pi$$ poor luck.

[LeKnave]

Just a cold deck im afraid....you made all the bets hence couldnt have folded before the river.

Then, with the board pairing i'd put him on a 9, but cant see him having the FH unless he has JJ, because if he had J9 he would likely re-raise on the flop + turn, as he didnt do this i cant see myself giving him credit for JJ and getting away from it.

LeKnave

[jezza777]

Unlucky here m8. I am not sure about the river bet tho? With little preflop action I would never see JJ but he is calling you all the way, so he must have something , if he misses his draw you arnt getting any more money but you are certainly geting raised or called if you are losing. There seems to be little valu in the river bet here.

[Lee]

Unlucky here m8. I am not sure about the river bet tho? With little preflop action I would never see JJ but he is calling you all the way, so he must have something , if he misses his draw you arnt getting any more money but you are certainly geting raised or called if you are losing. There seems to be little valu in the river bet here.

I disagree completely. You are only crediting him with a drawing hand.

If he has AJ or even better KJ, QT, i think there is quite a bit of value in betting here. With AJ he will call and with KJ, QT, he might re-raise, which would be great. He will also call (at least) with a bare nine.

I think you played the hand perfectly.

[LeKnave]

I disagree, you are only crediting him for a drawing hand.

If he has AJ or even better KJ, QT, i think there is quite a bit of value in betting here. With AJ he will call and with KJ, QT, he might re-raise, which would be great. He will also call (at least) with a bare nine.

Yes, perfectly summerised, theres no point in checking the river....uv got a massive hand...definately bet.

[nirvana]

Sometimes flushy old boy you just come up against a better, albeit unorthodox cash game player. I've been doing well recently. At least be happy you handed it over to a mate :-)

[nirvana]

And, so far as a cash game is concerned - there's no way you're getting away - strange thing is - because it was you and I'm used to seeing you bullying in tourneys, I couldn't put you on such a strong hand.

[totalise]

50p

[Royal Flush]

50p

This is what i wanted to avoid, i seriously dont know, i was hoping for a good reply from our resident cash game master!!

As for you Nirvana, grrrrr, you took me off a few pots you git!

[TightEnd]

Nirvana is foxxster!

unlucky RF...my one thought might be to check call the river..i've seen too many cold decks on tribecca...sure you pay off the value bet but you lose a bit less...

[Royal Flush]

Nirvana is foxxster!

unlucky RF...my one thought might be to check call the river..i've seen too many cold decks on tribecca...sure you pay off the value bet but you lose a bit less...

I was last to act, the muppet checked to me 3 times!! Shows you who your m8's are! lol.

[totalise]

hehehe

well that was a bit tongue in cheek obv, but I think most people have already said what needs to be said

The only thing I would add is that betting the river, you should always have a real good idea of what to do if your opponent raises. Most people do this, get raised, and then say "what to do now?" but the decision should (nearly) always be made before the bet is made.. ie:

1) you are bluffing. This is easy enough... you can fold without much thought

2) you are playing someone who will call with a lot of hands you beat, but will NEVER raise you with hands you beat. Again, this is easy enough.. your bet is about the easiest (and best) bet in poker. It cant cost you money

3) you are playing someone so terribly tight that they wont ever call with a worse hand. These creatures aren't poker players, but they exist, so just go ahead and check.

4) you are playing an unknown at smallish stakes. You dont have enough info to assume they fit into category 2), and your hand is naturally too strong to fit into category 1), so betting and calling a raise should again be quite an automatic process

remember that you were getting pretty good odds on the pot, and your hand wont always be losing here (it wont always be winning as well!) but against unknowns, if you are in doubt, you should probably pay them off, as they do crazy things.

Saying all this, I wouldn't be overly pleased to get the money in here, because a river c/r isn't something that average players do on a bluff, so its likely good made hand. The difference between 1/2 and higher levels is the perception of what constitutes a good made hand, and what swings it towards a call. (naked nines/ACE KING!/straight/KJ etc)

Interestingly, I dont really know when you would be able to fold this, in terms of stack depth. I guess if you were both sat on 200bb stacks, and he did the same.. I think you could fold then.. but I cant find a fold with these stacks.


ADDED:

I just saw its a friend of yours, well.. you tell us what hands he needs to jam here. Would he river c/r bluff? I guess thats possible, if not, would he do this with a hand you beat? thats going to be what matters. Assign frequencies to each and then do the calcs.

[Royal Flush]

Cheers Totalise.

At the time my oppo was unknown but on PT they were 60%/10% so not a rock by any means (was a small sample size) from playing them though i felt he was quite active (this tallys up when it turns out to be Nirvana who doesnt need a lot to check raise ME here, i would guess 9 or str8)

The river CR stunk to high heaven for me but as you see it only took 2 seconds for me to call, i dont like the raise but i am not passing and i am not one of those to sit there for 25 seconds to make a call when i know i cant pass anyway.

Although it appeard i did nothing wrong i am glad i learnt something! It's these kind of passes that you can make in cash that make the diffrence, i would never pass this in an online comp which is why i had to ask.

I just hope next time its against an oppo i can pass too!