This is a new one on me.......(Poker Rule)

[dik9]

booder, that is slighlty different, if i am honest, the guy who announced raise has made his intention clear. Again the dealer is to blame, but you should also be aware of the action that is continuing without you, and should be stopped immediately.

If these are 2 experienced players that acted out of turn it could be concieved as a stroke on their behalf, but the other side is you now know their action and that may alter your betting.

[thetank]

Tank, he was in the middle of his action, it should be up to the dealer to stop people passing, as his action had not yet been completed.

I understand the raiser is in the middle of his action, and yes, it should be up to dealer, I entirely agree with that.

Dealers don't always catch everything though, and often daydream.

This rule puts a little onis on the player, to make sure if the dealer misses that he is in the middle of his action, then the raiser can't just wait for as much extra information as he can get.

Another guy goes all-in... "How much was your rasie sir?"

"Ooh, just 200 with 200....and I think I'll pass"

I think this highlights why it's such a ridiculous rule. If somebody does something wrong they should be the ones penalised. So if somebody acts out of turn and goes all in it's only right that they shouldn't gain as many chips as if they'd waited until they were meant to act.

Sounds like an argument for the rule.

In this instance, with the rule, the all-in out of turn player gains 400 less chips than without it. (as the raisers hand will be dead) 

[dik9]

You Drunk Sir?

[77dave]

As a regular player at luton i have seen this rule used a few times in the past. it does though seem to be a cash game rule more than a tourny one.

every single rule that is quoted at luton is given as a company wide rule
this to me is stated so that if anyone complains about the ruling luton can complain that its not our fault its grovenors.

example being at luton all players must be in there seat for the first hand whereas in walsall the rule is the player must just be in the building for the first hand

i have seen several terrible rulings at luton mainly because the card room supervisor cant remember the rules

i was also told the other day that all grovenor employees are banned from posting on any forums. yet today i have seen staff from walsall and swansea posting so is this a luton rule or a company rule.

there are a lot of things that need fixing at luton and its a long road to recovery the problem is it seems to me that luton doesnt want to fix its problems.

ok rant over

would be interested to see what dani v's response is to my post

[GlasgowBandit]

This seems like a very silly rule if you ask me.

I don't understand why a player who is following the rules can be penalised due to others making a mistake, If I am dealing I announce the action on the player, and if i see anyone about to pass their cards out of turn i ask them to hold them until the action is on them.

Really this only highlights the fact that we need a standardised set of rules across the board.

[tikay]

To me, it's blindngly simple.

The Raiser, unless he's deliberately inducing "Passes Out of Turn" by hiding his cards (in which case, he's guilty too), is INNOCENT & cannot be penalised in any way, shape, or form.

As to the Staff at Luton, I have no complaints with them at all - I believe them when they say it's a Grosvenor-Wide Rule.

It's no big deal, & I'm sure some sensible discussions will solve the problem.

[thetank]

I would hate to see how upset you got when Dierdre went to prison in Corrie.

[tikay]

She DESERVED to go to Prison. "Services to nagging". That poor Ken Barlow deserved a medal for putting up with her.

[dik9]

Wasn't it Mr. Rashid ? OOh No it was the Pilot wasn't it? God I need a life
But she did deserve to goto prison she's dang ugly!!

[ifm]

In walsall you must be in the building to register for a comp, when it starts they give you a couple of hands and then take your chips.

[tikay]

In walsall you must be in the building to register for a comp, when it starts they give you a couple of hands and then take your chips.

In Blackpool, Luton & The Vic, you must be in your seat at the table.

It's how they (differently) interpret the GC Guidelines.

[RED-DOG]

Every time I play at a Grosvenor, I have to ask for clarification of the 'Showdown' rule.

Sometime I get two or three different rulings in the same tourney.

[ifm]

Every time I play at a Grosvenor, I have to ask for clarification of the 'Showdown' rule.

Sometime I get two or three different rulings in the same tourney.

I'm surprised at that, i have only ever seen 1 version (apart from America).

[dik9]

Guideline 3

24 b) All entrants shall be on the premises at the start of the competition. No new players may be permitted to join a poker competition once it has commenced.

[doubleup]

To me, it's blindngly simple.

The Raiser, unless he's deliberately inducing "Passes Out of Turn" by hiding his cards (in which case, he's guilty too), is INNOCENT & cannot be penalised in any way, shape, or form.

As to the Staff at Luton, I have no complaints with them at all - I believe them when they say it's a Grosvenor-Wide Rule.

It's no big deal, & I'm sure some sensible discussions will solve the problem.

Tikay - Tank is correct here - you have a duty to stop out of turn action.  If you haven't acted (called raised) and 2 players fold out of turn it's normal for your hand to be declared dead. 

Although thinking about this there isn't any substantial action until a player(s) fold AND a player calls - then the slow player would lose the right to raise.

Here's a quote from a rule book.

10.02. ACTING PROMPTLY.
A player is entitled to a reasonable time to think about his action, but should in no other way slow the game down. If a player wishes to take time to act he must stop the action by calling "Time." Failure to stop the action before there has been substantial action behind a player may cause the player to lose his right to act. If the player is facing a bet when he has lost the right to act he shall be deemed to have folded, and his hand is dead. If he is not facing a bet when he has lost the right to act he will be deemed to have checked. A player does not forfeit his right to act if any player in front of him has not yet acted, so that the failure of another to act properly in turn shall not cause another player to lose his right of action, even if there is substantial action behind the second player who has not yet acted. All action made behind a player who has not acted shall be binding, so long as the action by the delaying player or any other intervening player does not change the action which the person acting behind him is facing. See Article 11 of Caro & Cooke's Rules relating to the deal for the dealer's response to a player not acting timely.