This is a new one on me.......(Poker Rule)

[matt674]

I'm surprised tighty has never mentioned it, it does appear to be a Grosvenor Luton only rule as 2 TD's from other Grosvenors haven't even heard of it.
Maybe the players committee there can handle it?

                                                 

  Or maybe the other grosvenor TD's dont know all their rules.......... 

                                                     

[TightEnd]

players committee's

maybe ifm is right but Luton never introduced one. This is not to say that all Grosvenors are not meant to have one....individual Grosvenors often plough their own furrow without others realising it!

[tikay]

I'm surprised tighty has never mentioned it, it does appear to be a Grosvenor Luton only rule as 2 TD's from other Grosvenors haven't even heard of it.
Maybe the players committee there can handle it?

We were informed, maybe wrongly, that it was  "Grosvenor-wide" Rule.

[tikay]

Luton does not have a players committee (it should do, and may do soon, but thats another issue)

As you know I play there a lot and have never heard of this rule, let alone seen it enforced

Scott Sadler is a clever sensible chap, perhaps he has seen it enforced there once. He is not an angle shooter, but i would think he is after consistency in the application of rules as we all are

I agree it is barmy, sadly Luton's cardroom has a major problem with different supervisors giving different rulings on the same subject depending on who you ask.

This is something that the players have reflected to management

I hope nobody thought I was inferring tht Scott was angle-shooting, he was not, he just wanted to make us aware that the Rule existed, & he was the only one who got it right! But the angle-shooting WILL start if this Rule stays in place, you can be sure of that.

[ifm]

I'm surprised tighty has never mentioned it, it does appear to be a Grosvenor Luton only rule as 2 TD's from other Grosvenors haven't even heard of it.
Maybe the players committee there can handle it?

We were informed, maybe wrongly, that it was  "Grosvenor-wide" Rule.

I just meant that as Danny hadn't heard of it it is not likely to be used at Walsall so in that respect it is not a rule enforceable there............though thinking about it, if someone were aware of it could they not force it to be implemented?
Interesting.........

[TightEnd]

I didn't mean to imply that anyone thought Scott was angle shooting! (stop digging)

with an APAT hat on, should our memebrs via their representatives decide the rule is not sensible and leaves scope for abuse then this would be an issue we could lobby to effect change.

[thetank]

The entire table, &, it seems, everyone on this thread, agrees the Rule is wrong

Everyone except me. 

There are plenty of examples in real life of laws that exist whereby, although you've done nothing wrong yourself, failure to speak up will put you in a bit of bother.

If no-one seems to have heard of this rule, including some well respected TD's, I'm willing to wager that it has never been enforced.
A rule which in reality punishes no-one, but is in place to stop the odd bit of angle shooting, and keep the game moving at a reasonable pace, in all seriousness, I don't see the problem with it.

If it ever was enforced, it's not as if you're going to lose the raise and your hand is dead. You won't lose any chips, just the cards that you have in front of you. True that's a bugger, but considering that it never seems to have happened before, I don't see the point in taking issue with it.

There are other rules that do get enforced, and are used to punish beginners making mistakes every night of the week. I'd much rather the casinos looked at them.

[tikay]

"failure to speak up"....?

Maybe the Raiser never saw the action behind him, but I fail to see how he can be penalised because someone else breaks the rules, ehether he saw it or not!

But maybe I'm wrong. I need convincing, though, I really do. I am assuming, by the way, that the Raiser does not induce the Pass Out Of Turners deliberately.

[tikay]

The entire table, &, it seems, everyone on this thread, agrees the Rule is wrong

Everyone except me. 

There are plenty of examples in real life of laws that exist whereby, although you've done nothing wrong yourself, failure to speak up will put you in a bit of bother.

If no-one seems to have heard of this rule, including some well respected TD's, I'm willing to wager that it has never been enforced.
A rule which in reality punishes no-one, but is in place to stop the odd bit of angle shooting, and keep the game moving at a reasonable pace, in all seriousness, I don't see the problem with it.

If it ever was enforced, it's not as if you're going to lose the raise and your hand is dead. You won't lose any chips, just the cards that you have in front of you. True that's a bugger, but considering that it never seems to have happened before, I don't see the point in taking issue with it.

There are other rules that do get enforced, and are used to punish beginners making mistakes every night of the week. I'd much rather the casinos looked at them.

If you are referring, for example, to the daft way the String Bet Rule is enforced by almost everyone, (usually the players!) I entirely agree.

[dik9]

Tank, he was in the middle of his action, it should be up to the dealer to stop people passing, as his action had not yet been completed.

[Ironside]

ok what happens if ever time you were about to act the 3 guys to your left acted out of turn meaning that every hand you wanted to play was killed before you got to play

stupid rule needs changing

[thetank]

Tank, he was in the middle of his action, it should be up to the dealer to stop people passing, as his action had not yet been completed.

I understand the raiser is in the middle of his action, and yes, it should be up to dealer, I entirely agree with that.

Dealers don't always catch everything though, and often daydream.

This rule puts a little onis on the player, to make sure if the dealer misses that he is in the middle of his action, then the raiser can't just wait for as much extra information as he can get.

Another guy goes all-in... "How much was your rasie sir?"

"Ooh, just 200 with 200....and I think I'll pass"

[dik9]

Sack the dealer then or the train driver that missed his red signal

[Jon MW]

Tank, he was in the middle of his action, it should be up to the dealer to stop people passing, as his action had not yet been completed.

I understand the raiser is in the middle of his action, and yes, it should be up to dealer, I entirely agree with that.

Dealers don't always catch everything though, and often daydream.

This rule puts a little onis on the player, to make sure if the dealer misses that he is in the middle of his action, then the raiser can't just wait for as much extra information as he can get.

Another guy goes all-in... "How much was your rasie sir?"

"Ooh, just 200 with 200....and I think I'll pass"

I think this highlights why it's such a ridiculous rule. If somebody does something wrong they should be the ones penalised. So if somebody acts out of turn and goes all in it's only right that they shouldn't gain as many chips as if they'd waited until they were meant to act.

[booder]

i have had a similar experience at luton (as reported in a previous thread).         i was in seat 10 (to the dealers immediate right).     seat 8 limps in , i find k k. i put a chip on my cards , and as i have a smallish stack , i count my chips to decide whether to raise or move in.while i am counting my chips the player in seat 1 limps in as does seat 2.i notice this and bring it to the dealers attention that i have still to act.a ruling is called for and my hand is declared dead.