Experimenting in live play

[temp0r]

Temp0r when you have 70 bb that is exactly when you should be playing 75 suited. Its a great structure and you want to just sit there and pass these huge winners?

this very much depends on what stage of the tournament we're at. how far from a payout we are. you're right in saying this if it was the early stages of a tournament with a field of 300+ but i somewhat doubt this was the case.

[Royal Flush]

It hardly makes a diffrence, 70 BB's 75 suited on the button is playable!

[Canuck]

It hardly makes a diffrence, 70 BB's 75 suited on the button is playable!

I agree, I can't think of a better opportunity for small suited connectors; ie when the blinds are small and the stacks are deep and I am on the button

[temp0r]

what i'm trying to say is in small multitable tournaments there's no need for mixing it up in this way to make the money. you also may want to consider what image you have at the table before mixing it up. you have to at first create a 'big cards' image if you want big pots executing these moves.

[NoflopsHomer]

The raise is not to scare people off, it's a pot building raise, it's just the right size. I think you should PM Keith 'The Camel' and ask his advice, (not saying I don't agree with what's been said here already) because he makes similar moves.

[Canuck]

The raise is not to scare people off, it's a pot building raise, it's just the right size. I think you should PM Keith 'The Camel' and ask his advice, (not saying I don't agree with what's been said here already) because he makes similar moves.

Thanks...I will!

[Royal Flush]

what i'm trying to say is in small multitable tournaments there's no need for mixing it up in this way to make the money. you also may want to consider what image you have at the table before mixing it up. you have to at first create a 'big cards' image if you want big pots executing these moves.

Some people play to win

It's true you need to be aware of your image to be raising with these hands but anyone can limp it on the button.

[temp0r]

what i'm trying to say is in small multitable tournaments there's no need for mixing it up in this way to make the money. you also may want to consider what image you have at the table before mixing it up. you have to at first create a 'big cards' image if you want big pots executing these moves.

Some people play to win

It's true you need to be aware of your image to be raising with these hands but anyone can limp it on the button.

some people should learn you don't win a tournament on an outer table.

[Royal Flush]

Playing 57d on the button on 50-100 with a 7k stack is hardly pressing home.

I imagine you make a lot of final tables as a short stack then complain when your AK gets outdrawn?

[totalise]

what i'm trying to say is in small multitable tournaments there's no need for mixing it up in this way to make the money. you also may want to consider what image you have at the table before mixing it up. you have to at first create a 'big cards' image if you want big pots executing these moves.

Some people play to win

It's true you need to be aware of your image to be raising with these hands but anyone can limp it on the button.

some people should learn you don't win a tournament on an outer table.

temp0r

you are spot on.. you notice how the chip leader of the WSOP on day 1 never wins the main event? this is defintive proof that these people that put their TOURNAMENT LIFE on the line on the first day are bad players. You cant win tournaments on the outer tables, but you sure can lose them. Just avoid hands like this, hope you get AA and KK when it matters, and try and get into the money, THEN you can start trying to get some chips!

[Canuck]

what i'm trying to say is in small multitable tournaments there's no need for mixing it up in this way to make the money. you also may want to consider what image you have at the table before mixing it up. you have to at first create a 'big cards' image if you want big pots executing these moves.

Some people play to win

It's true you need to be aware of your image to be raising with these hands but anyone can limp it on the button.

some people should learn you don't win a tournament on an outer table.

temp0r

you are spot on.. you notice how the chip leader of the WSOP on day 1 never wins the main event? this is defintive proof that these people that put their TOURNAMENT LIFE on the line on the first day are bad players. You cant win tournaments on the outer tables, but you sure can lose them. Just avoid hands like this, hope you get AA and KK when it matters, and try and get into the money, THEN you can start trying to get some chips!

First, the WSOP is the largest field in the world, and comparing a play at a tourney of 50 to the same play in a tourney of over 8000 and saying I should wait for aces and kings, I think, is a silly argument. Second, I can't count the number of times I have heard solid professional players, who have many major titles to their name, say it is worth it to build a chip lead early by playing these types of hands and risk going bust then wait and become an average or below average stack in the middle of the tournament.

I also think a major point of this hand has disappeared and that is the fact I am on the button. I am not playing this hand UTG or from the blinds, but on the button.

[JungleCat03]

what i'm trying to say is in small multitable tournaments there's no need for mixing it up in this way to make the money. you also may want to consider what image you have at the table before mixing it up. you have to at first create a 'big cards' image if you want big pots executing these moves.

Some people play to win

It's true you need to be aware of your image to be raising with these hands but anyone can limp it on the button.

some people should learn you don't win a tournament on an outer table.

temp0r

you are spot on.. you notice how the chip leader of the WSOP on day 1 never wins the main event? this is defintive proof that these people that put their TOURNAMENT LIFE on the line on the first day are bad players. You cant win tournaments on the outer tables, but you sure can lose them. Just avoid hands like this, hope you get AA and KK when it matters, and try and get into the money, THEN you can start trying to get some chips!

First, the WSOP is the largest field in the world, and comparing a play at a tourney of 50 to the same play in a tourney of over 8000 and saying I should wait for aces and kings, I think, is a silly argument. Second, I can't count the number of times I have heard solid professional players, who have many major titles to their name, say it is worth it to build a chip lead early by playing these types of hands and risk going bust then wait and become an average or below average stack in the middle of the tournament.

I also think a major point of this hand has disappeared and that is the fact I am on the button. I am not playing this hand UTG or from the blinds, but on the button.

Don't worry canuck. It's safe to say totalise has his tongue firmly wedged in his cheek in his post. It's a good point about being in position on this hand too. I would much rather have 57d on the button than AJ UTG.

Position is power.

[temp0r]

Playing 57d on the button on 50-100 with a 7k stack is hardly pressing home.

I imagine you make a lot of final tables as a short stack then complain when your AK gets outdrawn?

MMT around 50 runners?
9 final tables out my last 10 to be exact. 2 1st places amoungst them. so not questioning myself an awful lot no.
AK is my most common hand to exit a tournament on though yes. then again it's probably everyones..

i did moan (aka go insane) about a month ago coming to final table as the short stack. making it to chip leader with 5 left. and getting KK and QQ outdrawn 2 hands in a row. ah what a sport.

[Royal Flush]

Playing 57d on the button on 50-100 with a 7k stack is hardly pressing home.

I imagine you make a lot of final tables as a short stack then complain when your AK gets outdrawn?

MMT around 50 runners?
9 final tables out my last 10 to be exact. 2 1st places amoungst them. so not questioning myself an awful lot no.
AK is my most common hand to exit a tournament on though yes. then again it's probably everyones..

i did moan (aka go insane) about a month ago coming to final table as the short stack. making it to chip leader with 5 left. and getting KK and QQ outdrawn 2 hands in a row. ah what a sport.

And you won them by passing 57d on the button with 70 BB?

Canuck no worries, Totalise is taking the piddle.

[SupaMonkey]

I tend to pass these sorts of hands but instead i have a few chip collecting moves i like to pull every now and then when the cards are going dry. I agree and i think you can not just wait for big hands. In many books you are told to play very tight however they do not tell you how to get round being blinded away. I prefer making moves because i want to get to a stage where i do not need cards to win.