Another one, what do you do here?

[Graham C]

PokerStars Game #6406490097:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/09/24 - 18:42:49 (ET)
Table 'Euporie IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: ceepee123 ($17 in chips)
Seat 3: voelker ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 4: djwho06 ($50.30 in chips)
Seat 5: dmoney449 ($9.20 in chips)
Seat 6: BankCracker ($47.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Ibetiwill82 ($42.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Graham0573 ($155 in chips)
djwho06: posts small blind $0.25
dmoney449: posts big blind $0.50
ceepee123: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [ ]
BankCracker: calls $0.50
Ibetiwill82: folds
Graham0573: raises $1.50 to $2
ceepee123: calls $1.50
voelker: folds
djwho06: folds
dmoney449: calls $1.50
BankCracker: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
dmoney449: checks
BankCracker: bets $7.50
Graham0573: calls $7.50
ceepee123: raises $7.50 to $15 and is all-in
dmoney449: folds
BankCracker: calls $7.50
Graham0573: calls $7.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
BankCracker: bets $30.85 and is all-in

what do you do?

Bankcracker has been making some really bad calls - calling fairly large pots with just a high card, it's been difficult to know what he will play with.

[NoflopsHomer]

Re-raise on the flop.

[Graham C]

You mean raise more?  I didn't get the chance to reraise again.

[NoflopsHomer]

You mean raise more?  I didn't get the chance to reraise again.

Sorry, I meant raise the flop.

[Dale]

he has a set of sixes right?

[Dale]

with all that action 1 pair doesnt look too healthy when he shoves his stack in your face on the turn.

[Graham C]

he has a set of sixes right?

lol, you just know a beat is coming! It's not ment as one, but I keep getting aces cracked tonight and it's costing me a fortune.

ceepee123 has pocket 7's which OK have beat me fair and square, but it's not cost me that much.  What really cost me the money is BankCracker who actually had KT off suit.  I was just amazed he called preflop with it and then stuck in the large bet on the flop.

In hindsight, you are right Dale, the 1 pair didn't look good for $30 on the turn.  Really it's a lot to stick in on just a pair at this level and I need to raise more preflop.  To be honest, BankCracker wouldn't have folded if I'd have put him all in on the flop - he's been making bad calls all the time at the table, some he gets away with, others he doesn't - what can you do?

[Dale]

Yeah you usually need to raise more preflop at 0.25/0.50 NLHE at a loose table to get heads up. Like 5xBB-6xBB.

I mean not only when you have AA, but whatever you have that you're going to raise with.

Especially with a limper already.

I think if every hand we play deep stacked (100BBs+) and I have pocket twos (but you dont know that) and you have pocket aces I win all your money. Somethin to think about.

excuse my drunkenes HoLLa

[boldie]

I would agree with that..the preflop raise is too small. You are thinking 4x BB signifies strenght on my part so that shoudl do it. But at these levels people don't look at that. 6 or 7x BB will usually still get a caller so I would stick more in pre flop.

[Graham C]

Ok thanks.  I was having a bad night last night, the final straw came when I lost with AQ on an 5AQ board against trip 5's.  Nothing I could do against that but I have learnt that I need to be more agressive preflop and not stick all my cash in on anything less than the nuts.

I did think I was getting the hang of cash games but it just goes to show that there are a lot of situations I can come across where I'm out in a limbo. 

I was thinking of moving up to 50c/$1 but after last nights demolition I'm thinking of winning back what I've lost before moving up. 

There are plus sides to it,  I've learnt a lot, I'm still up overall in cash games - I just took a big hit last night which is hopefully a one off, and I earnt quite a few fpp's!

[totalise]

I have learnt that I need to be more agressive preflop

good sentiment, but make sure you dont misapply it. Horror stories are all over the place about these "bad players" that dont fold, so dont get stuck into situations where you find yourself trying to buy pots off people who aren't letting go of their hand, otherwise you will be posting threads on here with the title "how could he call?" etc. Play your big hands faster preflop, thats the main part of the agression that you need to bear in mind. The more chips you get in preflop with strong hands the easier they are to play post-flop.

You should also probably temper your agression postflop if you flop draws.. the main reason to push draws hard is that you need to balance your playing style between made hands with your draws to make sure you aren't transparent , but at the lower levels, people dont generally think on that level, so you are likely to get action on your draws even when they hit. Secondly, you play draws fast to get people folding, and so when you are playing people that dont like to fold, you are losing a lot of the inherent value in semi-bluffs. The self-speaking mantra is thus "good hands fast, drawing hands slow". It is exploitable against real strong thinking players, but if you find them at your table, then you can mix it up.

and not stick all my cash in on anything less than the nuts.

Well, I donno if I agree with this... you dont need the nuts to get peoples stack, its situational for sure, but one thing you should be doing at the table is trying to make appraisals as to what standards other people have with regards to getting their stack in the middle. That will be your standard bearer when deciding whether or not to insert your chips into the pot.... along with the action. Dont get stuck into the "must have nuts to stack off" mentality, because your opponently most definately dont need the second nuts to call... and you are likely to be losing a bit of value.

[boldie]

I have learnt that I need to be more agressive preflop

good sentiment, but make sure you dont misapply it. Horror stories are all over the place about these "bad players" that dont fold, so dont get stuck into situations where you find yourself trying to buy pots off people who aren't letting go of their hand, otherwise you will be posting threads on here with the title "how could he call?" etc. Play your big hands faster preflop, thats the main part of the agression that you need to bear in mind. The more chips you get in preflop with strong hands the easier they are to play post-flop.

You should also probably temper your agression postflop if you flop draws.. the main reason to push draws hard is that you need to balance your playing style between made hands with your draws to make sure you aren't transparent , but at the lower levels, people dont generally think on that level, so you are likely to get action on your draws even when they hit. Secondly, you play draws fast to get people folding, and so when you are playing people that dont like to fold, you are losing a lot of the inherent value in semi-bluffs. The self-speaking mantra is thus "good hands fast, drawing hands slow". It is exploitable against real strong thinking players, but if you find them at your table, then you can mix it up.

and not stick all my cash in on anything less than the nuts.

Well, I donno if I agree with this... you dont need the nuts to get peoples stack, its situational for sure, but one thing you should be doing at the table is trying to make appraisals as to what standards other people have with regards to getting their stack in the middle. That will be your standard bearer when deciding whether or not to insert your chips into the pot.... along with the action. Dont get stuck into the "must have nuts to stack off" mentality, because your opponently most definately dont need the second nuts to call... and you are likely to be losing a bit of value.

 

[Royal Flush]

You are thinking 4x BB signifies strenght on my part so that shoudl do it.

Why do you want to signify strength?

[boldie]

You are thinking 4x BB signifies strenght on my part so that shoudl do it.

Why do you want to signify strength?

lol..because it's a 9 seater table and there are still people to act behind you...ah why do I bother  >:?

[Royal Flush]

You are thinking 4x BB signifies strenght on my part so that shoudl do it.

Why do you want to signify strength?

lol..because it's a 9 seater table and there are still people to act behind you...ah why do I bother  >:?

Why not just turn your cards face up, then they will all know you are strong.