OK stupid question but.......

[The Rivercard]

......if I am a European player and I am in the US on hols or something will I be able to play and re load my account. If so then any US player can register a U/K address on line and use that address. With companies such as netteler it should be no problem. You could use a friends address in Europe stating you are there on business for a year for example..or am I being exceptionally thick?....it wont be the first time

[Mbuna]

I think fraud is still considered a felony by Uncle Sam.

PS Take a Jar of Vaseline i dont think its standard issue in the State Pen.

[the winner]

LMAO at the above message.

[Jon MW]

Basically this law says that if it's illegal to gamble in the State you're in, then it's illegal to gamble on the internet in that State.

So you would be covered by it if you were just on holiday.

[Royal Flush]

It's a prevention law. They are just going to make it hard to deposit. If you don't use a US bank you will be fine anywhere.

[Colchester Kev]

Neteller shares took a good spanking as well .

[mikkyT]

Basically this law says that if it's illegal to gamble in the State you're in, then it's illegal to gamble on the internet in that State.

So you would be covered by it if you were just on holiday.

Its not illegal to play poker online in the states. never has been although the DOJ will argue otherwise, the wire act does not apply and the courts have enforced that view on numerous occasions. There are a handful of states that do have laws preventing their citizens from gambling. And most of the laws apply to sports betting.

Which is one of the reasons they have made this silly new law preventing US financial institutions from depositing into gambling sites.

A US citizen would be at perfect liberty to legally register with a bank offshore and use that bank account to fund their poker account without penalty. It is the responsibility of the financial institution to comply with the law and it has no legal bearing on individual citizens.

As flushy says, its merely a prevention law against the US banks.

[Jon MW]

After reading it, it does seem to  cover foreign Financial Institutions (including companies like Neteller) as well - although I don't know where the US Government would stand on being able to enforce it.

[The Rivercard]

I dont feel so stupid ...I am not trying to advocate breaking the law but my understanding seems to be that what they are trying to do is not enforcable. I cannot believe that he transaction tracking at barclays will be able to identify all the netteller proccesing (which by the way is done at Barclays).
So if a US player opens a foriegn account (as per what flushy said) then as it is legal to gamble on line in the U/K then any payment request from that account will be proccessed.

I think sort of maybe.... it sounds to easy but the comments you guys made seems to support this

[mikkyT]

Its a bullshit law from a bullshit government that actively seeks to violate the basic human rights and civil liberties of its taxpaying citizens.

I wonder when they are going to give us (I mean them, but since this law applies to foriegn companies doing business in the US then it applies to the world not just the USA) the four legs good two legs better speach?

[AlrightJack]

It's a prevention law. They are just going to make it hard to deposit. If you don't use a US bank you will be fine anywhere.

Not so. Many of these companies will now not let you log in when you are on US soil. I could not access Betfair Poker from Vegas and I believe Will Hill have now also prevented people logging in from the US. It is almost certain that Party and 888 will also prevent players from the US being able to log in as well and if Stars, Empire, Paradise, Full Tilt and UB do the same, then that is pretty much it for US online players. There will be ways around it, but only a small minority of players will go down this route. The days of ever increasing prize pools online and weekly million dollar tournaments are numbered.

[Colchester Kev]

so that means plenty of UK players leaving the american sites because of falling numbers etc ... good news for sites that dont allow American registrations then    ... they will all join blonde

[fergus8]

what are the motives for this move by the US government?
are they trying to force these poker companies to pay a higher tax or rates or something?

[The Rivercard]

It's a prevention law. They are just going to make it hard to deposit. If you don't use a US bank you will be fine anywhere.

Not so. Many of these companies will now not let you log in when you are on US soil. I could not access Betfair Poker from Vegas and I believe Will Hill have now also prevented people logging in from the US. It is almost certain that Party and 888 will also prevent players from the US being able to log in as well and if Stars, Empire, Paradise, Full Tilt and UB do the same, then that is pretty much it for US online players. There will be ways around it, but only a small minority of players will go down this route. The days of ever increasing prize pools online and weekly million dollar tournaments are numbered.

Full tilt would shut down without US players and many other sites as well. The US knows it cannot stop the websites which is why it has tried to stop the transactions. If Pokerstars decides to accept US players that can make deposits then it will clean up, however if one site does it I think others will follow I cannot see that sites will stop players..only the banks on US soil.

[AlrightJack]

It's a prevention law. They are just going to make it hard to deposit. If you don't use a US bank you will be fine anywhere.

Not so. Many of these companies will now not let you log in when you are on US soil. I could not access Betfair Poker from Vegas and I believe Will Hill have now also prevented people logging in from the US. It is almost certain that Party and 888 will also prevent players from the US being able to log in as well and if Stars, Empire, Paradise, Full Tilt and UB do the same, then that is pretty much it for US online players. There will be ways around it, but only a small minority of players will go down this route. The days of ever increasing prize pools online and weekly million dollar tournaments are numbered.

Full tilt would shut down without US players and many other sites as well. The US knows it cannot stop the websites which is why it has tried to stop the transactions. If Pokerstars decides to accept US players that can make deposits then it will clean up, however if one site does it I think others will follow I cannot see that sites will stop players..only the banks on US soil.

Party have indicated that they will stop US players being able to access their real money site with immediate effect once GB signs the bill.