Bottom Set

[LeKnave]

Any ideas on hands you would put him on here, and what my next move should be?


PokerStars Game #6755229055:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/10/24 - 18:10:47 (ET)
Table 'Roma II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: Odysseu$ ($21.55 in chips)
Seat 3: AlexAllen02 ($45.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Hornave ($48.60 in chips)
Seat 5: juicepi ($53.35 in chips)
Seat 6: nestori muna ($47.35 in chips)
Seat 8: BrutusR ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Dilith ($37.75 in chips)
Dilith: posts small blind $0.25
Odysseu$: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hornave [ ]
AlexAllen02: folds
Hornave: calls $0.50
juicepi: calls $0.50
nestori muna: folds
BrutusR: folds
Dilith: calls $0.25
jjftm2 joins the table at seat #7
Odysseu$: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Dilith: checks
Odysseu$: checks
Hornave: bets $1.50
juicepi: calls $1.50
Dilith: folds
Odysseu$: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Odysseu$: checks
Hornave: bets $6
juicepi: raises $6 to $12
Odysseu$: folds
Hornave: ??

Thanks, LeKnave

[Wardonkey]

There are lots of hands that he could have, but you'd expect a pre-flop raise from anything that would give him a bigger set, push it in.

[NoflopsHomer]

All-in, he could have two pair, or a strong drawing hand, if he has 88, that's just bad luck.

[tantrum]

And what kind of player is s/he?
Depending who s/he is, it is difficult to say what s/he is holding.

The range is big, unlikely you are against other set, they might be on draw but this depend who they are....

[LeKnave]

Only just sat at the table, no information whatsoever..

[tantrum]

2 pair, Aq, Ax or some rubbish, I think your set might be good here.

[LeKnave]

2 pair, Aq, Ax or some rubbish, I think your set might be good here.

Thats what i thought, but:

Hornave: raises $34.60 to $46.60 and is all-in
juicepi: calls $34.60
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hornave: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Threes)
juicepi: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Eights)
juicepi collected $96.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $99.70 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 2: Odysseu$ (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: AlexAllen02 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hornave showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: juicepi showed [ ] and won ($96.70) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 6: nestori muna folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BrutusR (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Dilith (small blind) folded on the Flop

Pretty much the only holding he could have which beats me.

[booder]

thats just unlucky..........nothing wrong with your play.........reload and go again           *







*subject to amendment if pab disagrees

[tantrum]

Ok, unlucky, but I am not fan of limping with 33 from such a early position.  If re-raised are you going to fold?

You are counting to get a set which you are 8/1 underdog.  Limping from such an early position you can get yourself into all sorts of trouble, also you are inviting others to limp with all sort of holdings. This has not relation perhaps to this particular situation but overall you are out of position with easily dominated hand on the low limit tble where anything can happen.

[ifm]

thats just unlucky..........nothing wrong with your play.........reload and go again           *







*subject to amendment if pab disagrees

 

[TightEnd]

Ok, unlucky, but I am not fan of limping with 33 from such a early position.  If re-raised are you going to fold?

You are counting to get a set which you are 8/1 underdog.  Limping from such an early position you can get yourself into all sorts of trouble, also you are inviting others to limp with all sort of holdings. This has not relation perhaps to this particular situation but overall you are out of position with easily dominated hand on the low limit tble where anything can happen.

however "set mining" can be extremely profitable...I'll want to limp with any small pair from anywhere..I don't mind folding to heavy action pre flop if it happens, and I know that occasionaly I will hit a set and lose but the implied odds of set mining can be enormous.

[LeKnave]

Ok, unlucky, but I am not fan of limping with 33 from such a early position.  If re-raised are you going to fold?

You are counting to get a set which you are 8/1 underdog.  Limping from such an early position you can get yourself into all sorts of trouble, also you are inviting others to limp with all sort of holdings. This has not relation perhaps to this particular situation but overall you are out of position with easily dominated hand on the low limit tble where anything can happen.

however "set mining" can be extremely profitable...I'll want to limp with any small pair from anywhere..I don't mind folding to heavy action pre flop if it happens, and I know that occasionaly I will hit a set and lose but the implied odds of set mining can be enormous.

Beat me to it!

I see what your saying tantrum, but i believe hitting sets with low pocket pairs is one of, if not the, most profitable thing in cash game holdem.

But I apprectiate how it can be problematic being in EP...

Thanks for your comments!

[LeKnave]

thats just unlucky..........nothing wrong with your play.........reload and go again           *







*subject to amendment if pab disagrees

 

 

[tantrum]

I don't dispute that set mining is not profitable, but from E.P I am not so keen on that myself with 22-44 pairs, unless i get a feel of the table.  But  my opinion here is not as valid, as i only started to play cash games few weeks ago, and mainly short handed, so different rules apply there, 33 for me there is a raising hand.

[SupaMonkey]

Can someone pls explain to me the need for the push. Aren't you chasing out the hands you're ahead of here. Can't you call (i would check-raise the river i thought he would definitely bet. His in raise makes me think he could be at it here and will bet river) or bet the river.