Quick Hello and P4C

[North Angel]

andy i appreciate you have a business to run,cant you ask "the truth"  davey  to come on here to answer these things questions which really are being directed at his charity? because if it were my charity, i would be first to answer any questions asked by anyone.is this not unreasonable???

Davey is at the hospital im afraid.

Ang

[Sheriff Fatman]

Can I just re-iterate Trace's comment regarding patience on this issue.  Andy has provided a detailed response and promised to follow up the issue and I have no reason to doubt that he will do so when he is in full possession of the facts that he requires.  Please bear in mind that he has a full-time job in addition to his duties to P4C.

We've so far restricted deletions on this thread to the more extreme posts made but there are a number of other posts and comments on here that are provocative or unconstructive.  I would re-iterate Tighty's earlier request that the debate remains civil and that we allow Andy sufficient opportunity to make further enquiries as he sees fit.

This is a very difficult thread for us to moderate as several people have links with both blonde and P4C.  By all means, debate the issue in a constructive way but please do not make our job as moderators any more difficult than it already is.

Thank you.

Sheriff

[Royal Flush]

andy i appreciate you have a business to run,cant you ask "the truth"  davey  to come on here to answer these things questions which really are being directed at his charity? because if it were my charity, i would be first to answer any questions asked by anyone.is this not unreasonable???

He doesn't post on Blonde anymore.

[sofa----king]

Can I just re-iterate Trace's comment regarding patience on this issue.  Andy has provided a detailed response and promised to follow up the issue and I have no reason to doubt that he will do so when he is in full possession of the facts that he requires.  Please bear in mind that he has a full-time job in addition to his duties to P4C.

We've so far restricted deletions on this thread to the more extreme posts made but there are a number of other posts and comments on here that are provocative or unconstructive.  I would re-iterate Tighty's earlier request that the debate remains civil and that we allow Andy sufficient opportunity to make further enquiries as he sees fit.

This is a very difficult thread for us to moderate as several people have links with both blonde and P4C.  By all means, debate the issue in a constructive way but please do not make our job as moderators any more difficult than it already is.

Thank you.

Sheriff

i do understand what your saying sheriff... but what questions can we ask without offending anyone ? this is a very serious accusation,,,they did a charity doo, the people didnt get the money... whats the assumption? they lost it, paperwork,a mix up?? if reece or the hospital didnt get the money where is it ..this would show up on a tax return or a v.a.t. return ....im standing on theres no smoke without fire...

[sofa----king]

andy i appreciate you have a business to run,cant you ask "the truth"  davey  to come on here to answer these things questions which really are being directed at his charity? because if it were my charity, i would be first to answer any questions asked by anyone.is this not unreasonable???

He doesn't post on Blonde anymore.

any reason why mate i see him watching a lot lateley

[Trace]

andy i appreciate you have a business to run,cant you ask "the truth"  davey  to come on here to answer these things questions which really are being directed at his charity? because if it were my charity, i would be first to answer any questions asked by anyone.is this not unreasonable???

He doesn't post on Blonde anymore.

any reason why mate i see him watching a lot lateley

Is that really anyone else's business?

[North Angel]

andy i appreciate you have a business to run,cant you ask "the truth"  davey  to come on here to answer these things questions which really are being directed at his charity? because if it were my charity, i would be first to answer any questions asked by anyone.is this not unreasonable???

He doesn't post on Blonde anymore.

any reason why mate i see him watching a lot lateley

Again that is me and not Davey, I log into blonde on his pc and his log in name.

[Dingdell]

And be calm everyone -  I'm sure that now the questions have been asked the answers will follow. Lets just wait......

[TightEnd]

but what questions can we ask without offending anyone ?

James, I and the other moderators are asking you to back off a while please, let P4C answer the questions when they are able as promised by Andy Donn. He is an honourable man and is plainly resolved to sort this out for Maureen and family's peace of mind.

If you are then unhappy we can go further at that point

Until then, allegations, insinuations etc have to left well alone.


Thanks

[Sheriff Fatman]

i do understand what your saying sheriff... but what questions can we ask without offending anyone ? this is a very serious accusation,,,they did a charity doo, the people didnt get the money... whats the assumption? they lost it, paperwork,a mix up?? if reece or the hospital didnt get the money where is it ..this would show up on a tax return or a v.a.t. return ....im standing on theres no smoke without fire...

My point is that Andy has already responded and has also committed to return with further information ASAP.  He has also stated that he was unaware of any issue until yesterday evening.

It think its only fair to allow him some breathing space to make the enquiries he needs without further inflaming the situation, hence my previous request.  I don't think it will help anyone on either side to resolve the issues if the thread deteriorates into a flame war, and it certainly has the potential to do so hence the numerous appeals for calm.

Sheriff

[Royal Flush]

Just want to backup what Tighty and Sherrif are saying, the thread was started on a forum on Sunday night, it is now only Monday afternoon and Jaggers is at work, it would be a bit unfair to expect him to have already solved the issue!

Even if it was a direct question to P4C it would not have been sorted this fast, it is not a big time charity with full time employees.

Give Andy his time, i need him to be able to sort this out rather than respond to all the posts on here so he is available to add some dead money to the $100 FO on Blue Square later

[sofa----king]

Just want to backup what Tighty and Sherrif are saying, the thread was started on a forum on Sunday night, it is now only Monday afternoon and Jaggers is at work, it would be a bit unfair to expect him to have already solved the issue!

Even if it was a direct question to P4C it would not have been sorted this fast, it is not a big time charity with full time employees.

Give Andy his time, i need him to be able to sort this out rather than respond to all the posts on here so he is available to add some dead money to the $100 FO on Blue Square later

this is my last post on this till the answers come in.....in no way whatsoever am i saying that andy is at it i want to make that very ,very clear.what i am saying is
1  why has this money not shown up on any overpaid accounts?
2  why has it not been detected on any vat returns?
3  why dont the owner of the charity come on here and defend his self?
4 why hasnt the little boy or the hospital recieved the money?

thats all.
i really dont think that is unreasonable...this is my last post till answered if anyone wants to discuss this further they can pm me because i think i might get my answers on here deleted or i will be banned for speaking my mind......

[TightEnd]

No one is talking about banning anyone.

Just give it some time please, and hopefully your questions can be satisfactorily answered.

[Trace]

I have asked for this thread to be locked down until Andy can return with the answers to the questions already asked.

As far as I know this is being considered.

Andy has a lot on his plate right now, and so may not be back as quick as you are all expecting, but I can assure you all HE WILL be back with answers to the questions already posted.

I am BEGGING you all, please be patient.

Thank you.

[Royal Flush]

3  why dont the owner of the charity come on here and defend his self?

Apart from not being at a computer why should he be expected to answer questions on a forum that has nothing to do with P4C.

I am not saying answers should not be given but this is not the correct place to be askign questions, if you have a direct question, which it seems you do, then i would suggest you either post it on the poker 4 charity forum or contact P4C rather than this unrelated forum.

I share your desire for answers about this, i really do, but i wouldn't stand in Hyde Park and start asking questions about it then be surprised when Davey doesn't reply!