Quick Hello and P4C

[daveymck]

And finally, does anyone know how much the Chief Executives of NSPCC or British Heart Foundation or RSPCA earn?

RSPCA around £100,000 - £110,000 the NSPCC seems to be about the same, as per the accounts of 2005 and 2003 respectively.  Assuming the Chref exec is the highest paid person in the organization.

[Colchester Kev]

I am uncomfortable with the way this thread is going, whether you think the spokes people from P4C/Game for Life have done them self any favours in their posts or not, facts are that they have at least been good enough to post. I dont feel that personally attacking them is any way to get answers or encourage them to provide them.

Perhaps we should afford them the decency of trying to explain their position without jumping straight down their throats with flippant sarky comments.

By all means ask questions, but can we at least ask them in a civil way ?

SHUT IT... X

Roofer Matt, long time no see .... how are ya ... and GFY xxx

[tikay]

Rob Yong's Charity. I don't think we can or should be comparing that with P4C/G4L, we are talking apples & pears.

But in answer to a point made above, it's my understanding that exactly 100% of money donated to Rob's Charity does indeed go to Good Causes. But that's totally different, it just is. Rob is a philanthropist, he has a business which covers ALL the costs, so as I said, it's apples & pears to compare it with P4C.

[thetank]

Also, to compare P4C with the BHF, RSPCC, or RSPCA is a bit out there too.

[Trace]

I once played as a "bounty" in one of their online fundraisers and managed to rack up around 40 rebuys by going allin blind every hand. Its good to see that out of the $200 or so I spent in that satelitte $60 went to good causes.

REALLY??   

[Trace]

Also, to compare P4C with the BHF, RSPCC, or RSPCA is a bit out there too.

Well, yeah the RSPCA is animals, not children.

[TheBigSlick]

rat/ship?
 

Thank you, I deserved that.....did'nt I?

 
Yes I think you did actually.

did we deserve telling its our fault your charity is not working because we havent donated enough or attended enough events?

Ridiculous Rantings maybe?

I cannot waste my time anymore trying to communicate with (IMHO) a fool with NO knowledge of what he is on about.

I will no longer post anything else until we have investigated this matter

[ariston]

ok I am now getting pms saying that the online site refunded my rebuys as they felt I had gone to far. I cant even remember which site it was played on as the 200 immediately went in a hand of plo so me saying I gave 200 to the charity was incorrect as in effect the site gave an extra 200 donation by proxy.

Seems they want this as some sort of revelation against my character but when i had the 40 or so rebuys I didnt know the site was going to refund me did I? I hardly asked them to do so.

Tank your right to compare P4C to NSPCC RSPCA etc is pushing it, in fact I would go as far as saying to compare P4C to a charity is pushing the boundaries.

[M3boy]

One more point, then I must go to bed.

I cannot see why the second years figures will only be 30p in the pound, for this reason :

The first year will involve alot of legal and professional fees - these can be very expensive.

The second year would not have these expenses, so the ratio of donations/money given to good causes should be better.

Maybe Tony got the wrong end of the stick? I dont know, but would be VERY suprised to see the 2nd year the same as the first.

Again, I am not voicing any personal opinion I have, just trying to give the benefit of my knowledge.

Hi Paul,

I am sorry to say that the quoted (& estimated) figure of £0.30 in the £1 for Year Two IS correct, & will be confirmed by Jagster & Tony Banbury if you wish to contact them direct. Believe me, every word I type on this thread is double & triple checked for accuracy! If only I DID have the wrong end of the stick! Feel free to validate my figures with Andy (blondeite The Jagster) or Tony Banbury.

The reasons for the disappointing % in Year Two was accurately described by James (Flushy) in a Post two or three after yours. Lower revenues were the cause, & with fixed costs remaining "as was" the result was, inevitably, the lower %.

Sorry TK, didnt mean to suggest you were lying or misquoting figures

[Trace]

ok I am now getting pms saying that the online site refunded my rebuys as they felt I had gone to far. I cant even remember which site it was played on as the 200 immediately went in a hand of plo so me saying I gave 200 to the charity was incorrect as in effect the site gave an extra 200 donation by proxy.

Seems they want this as some sort of revelation against my character but when i had the 40 or so rebuys I didnt know the site was going to refund me did I? I hardly asked them to do so.

Tank your right to compare P4C to NSPCC RSPCA etc is pushing it, in fact I would go as far as saying to compare P4C to a charity is pushing the boundaries.

We too want TRANSPARENCY!


oh Russ Come on - that last sentence is not on - and pretty damned unfair!

[Rod Paradise]

Also now I have reread the last few pages I take offence at the comments about poker players. Sure the £20k admin costs wouldnt look so bad if you had raised £14million but the fact is you haven't. You can't say its our fault your business is poorly run because you haven't collected enough. To blame the generous players for your inadequecies is very poor imo.

Ariston, I think you read the comments wrong (and are being unfair because of it). I've attended some P4C events & have seen the people who have organised them at the local level, very upset at the amount of people who'd said "I'll be there" and not turned up. That's not a criticism of the people who did and donated, or a criticism of generous poker players, it's just a contributory factor to events not making what was envisaged.

I've been heading to an event where the accommodation was block booked, but the casino closed less than a WEEK before, with the trophies and the tables still in the casino. Alternate accomodation had to found, after a new casino was generous enough to put on the event at a week's notice. The original hotel refused to refund any money. I can't see how the charity could have envisaged these sudden changes & associated costs.

Tank's made a good point, that possibly the tournaments should be downgraded, to reduce costs & allow them to be more locally run, and meaning more of what's run is made as a donation. HOWEVER, having known of a player lose in an early round of a Head's Up tourney and blame it all on a ruling, then threaten to sue the charity for the overall prize, there are dangers in that direction as well.

In general I do think there's some very unnecessary insinuations on this thread, and I think P4C has hit a major decision point on whether to continue in their current form, change, or even close, but the repeated sniping & abusive comments made to the people trying to clear things up are not helping anything & TBH totally against the spirit of blonde.

[ariston]

A fool who has no knowledge?

 If P4C runs any events with any success next year I shall be very surprised. If the charities commision gets involved with this there would be hell to pay so I suggest you watch who you are calling a fool. Poor poker player maybe, but I ain't no fool and this isn't just some random attack on you. I have played poker with Maureen and although not a close friend I find the way you have dealt with her to be completely disgraceful. How you can defend the figures you have given yourself in this thread is beyond the realms of reality- the people who have donated at various events have a right to feel cheated.

[Trace]

A fool who has no knowledge?

 If P4C runs any events with any success next year I shall be very surprised. If the charities commision gets involved with this there would be hell to pay so I suggest you watch who you are calling a fool. Poor poker player maybe, but I ain't no fool and this isn't just some random attack on you. I have played poker with Maureen and although not a close friend I find the way you have dealt with her to be completely disgraceful. How you can defend the figures you have given yourself in this thread is beyond the realms of reality- the people who have donated at various events have a right to feel cheated.

Russ, take a chill pill, please!

This ain't getting any of us anywhere.

[ariston]

trace how can u have a few pops at me, get me wound up then tell me to take a chill pill. you have seen first hand how hard it is to get me to lose my temper but this issue has got my blood boiling. I can walk away from most things but not something concerning kids and charity.

answer a simple couple of questions trace.
do you think the treatment of maureen and reece has been fair?
do you think if i go to a P4C event that if I have 40 rebuys at £10 a time only £60 actually reached good causes?

simple questions trace seeing as you are one of the main defenders.

[Acidmouse]

You not helping, same as sofa...

Let it go, your pissing most peeps off with your tone of posts.