Nice catch on the turn - what now

[doubleup]

Not sure this was the greatest play in the world but I've got lucky.

Who's for betting the turn if they miss?

Table 'Caph III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: SUGAR5892 ($440.40 in chips)
Seat 2: wimnl ($318.45 in chips)
Seat 3: davmcg ($543.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Taita71 ($253 in chips)
Seat 5: ilmercato ($158 in chips)
Seat 7: imthesky ($297.30 in chips)
Seat 8: counterfit17 ($532.05 in chips)
Seat 9: rennay ($232 in chips)
SUGAR5892: posts small blind $2
wimnl: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to davmcg [ ]
davmcg: calls $4
Taita71: calls $4
ilmercato: folds
imthesky: folds
counterfit17: raises $20 to $24
rennay: folds
SUGAR5892: calls $22
wimnl: folds
davmcg: calls $20
Taita71: calls $20
*** FLOP *** [ ]
SUGAR5892: checks
davmcg: checks
Taita71: checks
counterfit17: bets $55
SUGAR5892: calls $55
davmcg: raises $77 to $132
Taita71: folds
counterfit17: calls $77
SUGAR5892: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []

[boldie]

Well you check raised on the flop (like that play actually..don't see anything wrong with it except that it wasn't a big re-raise..nice pot builder though).
I'd check here. I'm taking counterfit for a minimum two pair here (likely set) after he bets, assuming he does, I just flat call..then fire in on the river. I would expect him to bet $100+ making the pot very tasty..and him unlikely to give it up if you ask for an extra 150 on a no threatening river.


What sort of player if counterfit? Agressive? if he is more of a caller then a guaranteed raiser I raise on the turn...about 90$ should keep him in the pot if he has any part of it

[doubleup]

Well you check raised on the flop (like that play actually..don't see anything wrong with it except that it wasn't a big re-raise..nice pot builder though).
I'd check here. I'm taking counterfit for a minimum two pair here (likely set) after he bets, assuming he does, I just flat call..then fire in on the river. I would expect him to bet $100+ making the pot very tasty..and him unlikely to give it up if you ask for an extra 150 on a no threatening river.


What sort of player if counterfit? Agressive? if he is more of a caller then a guaranteed raiser I raise on the turn...about 90$ should keep him in the pot if he has any part of it

His pokertracker stats are 19/11 so pretty TAG - I actually put him on AA/KK after he called the chkrs.

[boldie]

Well you check raised on the flop (like that play actually..don't see anything wrong with it except that it wasn't a big re-raise..nice pot builder though).
I'd check here. I'm taking counterfit for a minimum two pair here (likely set) after he bets, assuming he does, I just flat call..then fire in on the river. I would expect him to bet $100+ making the pot very tasty..and him unlikely to give it up if you ask for an extra 150 on a no threatening river.


What sort of player if counterfit? Agressive? if he is more of a caller then a guaranteed raiser I raise on the turn...about 90$ should keep him in the pot if he has any part of it

His pokertracker stats are 19/11 so pretty TAG - I actually put him on AA/KK after he called the chkrs.

I would probably raise. he wouldn't expect you to re-raise so small (compared to his 50$ raise with the FD) so if he has trips he might re-raise you. give the impression that you can still be pushed off the hand though. You have now stuck in 150 of your 543$ so you're left with roughly 400$..anything under $100 will be percieved as weak by most players..(or atleast could be) and they might be prepared to push as it's not an autocall for 300$...unless you have the flush (and then surely you wouldn't have bet out? (would be the reasoning of quite a few players)

[totalise]

flop raise is gross, you dont really wanna be "building pots" when the stacks are no longer deep enough to play missed turns that well.  Call or make a proper raise, give it some purpose.

you cant reallly check here after c/raising the flop I dont think , hes gonna peel a card too often because your betting makes no sense. Lump in a big bet and see what happens, given that he called the raise, he is prolly drawing live with something, be it the Ace of clubs with AA/AK,  QK, or some other random 2pr/set, and if he does fold to a bet on the turn, its not likely that you would get much out of him on the river (unless of course he improved his hand, which would normally improve it so that its better then yours)

[Highstack]

flop raise is gross, you dont really wanna be "building pots" when the stacks are no longer deep enough to play missed turns that well.  Call or make a proper raise, give it some purpose.

you cant reallly check here after c/raising the flop I dont think , hes gonna peel a card too often because your betting makes no sense. Lump in a big bet and see what happens, given that he called the raise, he is prolly drawing live with something, be it the Ace of clubs with AA/AK,  QK, or some other random 2pr/set, and if he does fold to a bet on the turn, its not likely that you would get much out of him on the river (unless of course he improved his hand, which would normally improve it so that its better then yours)

Great post!

Nothing wrong with a check raise, but you need to know why you are doing it. If you are raising to take the put, check jam, if you are raising to commit them to a big pot when you complete your draw, then they are not deep enough stacked.

[doubleup]

flop raise is gross, you dont really wanna be "building pots" when the stacks are no longer deep enough to play missed turns that well.  Call or make a proper raise, give it some purpose.

I sometimes misbet with the small screens on stars - its a great advantage to have 4 games not overlapping, but have to pay a bit more attention to the bet size.  I was trying to rep a set, so I wouldn't have bet a lot more anyway - prob 150.  I do want to be able to bet the turn if I miss - so wouldn't raising too much on the flop make it likely that I would get called on the turn?

[booder]

His pokertracker stats are 19/11 so pretty TAG

could you explain what  19/11 means please

[Royal Flush]

Enters 19% if pots, raises 11%

[booder]

thank you

[temp0r]

the most important thing here is that he can't have a flush and can only really have in his hand at best.
this spot is all about making the right bet according to the pot size which will leave him guessing as to whether it's a steal or a value bet. which at this stage would normally be about 3/4 of the pot. if he's got something good enough to call with you can make a slightly more obvious value bet on the river (if it's a blank) that he'll have to call. which might even be shoving it in i can't be bothered to look back and work it out..

[Smart Money]

Although it can be dangerous to min raise (or slightly more than min raise) with three other players seeing the flop, two of whom have already bet/called before you, if you're going to do it I would recommend you do it for the free river card, rather than set up a turn bluff. I understand that you want to leave enough behind to bluff on the turn if you don't hit, but I'd probably save this type of play for one street down.

However, the turn card has put you in a great position now, with your disguised flush. There is absolutely no way you should be checking here. You have to bet big, especially as it's quite feasible that the is out there. (And even if he doesn't have the nut flush draw, any club arriving on the river will obviously slow him down.)

The pre-flop raiser has a fairly loose raising range pre-flop (11%- typically most pairs + big aces + KQ etc.) for a full-handed table although the fact that his raise followed two limpers is encouraging as it's more likely that he does actally have a fairly strong hand here.

With over $400 in the pot already, I would just chuck the rest in.

One other point, as pretty as    look, playing them UTG full-handed will probably lose money long-term.

[Highstack]

Welcome to Blonde Mike.

Hope you're well.

[Smart Money]

Hi Rob.

I thought I'd check out Blonde to try and get away from that "One Eyed Pirate" chap on the Betfair forum.

Mike.

[doubleup]

One other point, as pretty as    look, playing them UTG full-handed will probably lose money long-term.

I don't normally, but I have only recently started 4 tabling stars and have played 4000 hands since the turn of the year - my stats were beginning to look ridiculously nitty - 14/6 and while I had benefitted from being an unknown I was now beginning to get respected a bit much - I felt that I had to play the odd hand out of my normal range.