QQ quandary

[M3boy]

Because if you limp and the flop comes with no A or K, how can you now give him AA if you didn't preflop? His limp might be suspicious but it is only franked and noted after the limp reraise. If the flop comes jack high, you lead and he jams, how do we know he didn't button limp with AJ or KJ? We can't now pass (not that I advocate limping on the button with AJ or KJ in an unopened pot, but this is an on-line game).

Point taken, but if I limp here I am looking for a set and a set only. If I am convinced he has AA or KK preflop, then I am still convinced he has AA or KK post flop.

[Highstack]

Because if you limp and the flop comes with no A or K, how can you now give him AA if you didn't preflop? His limp might be suspicious but it is only franked and noted after the limp reraise. If the flop comes jack high, you lead and he jams, how do we know he didn't button limp with AJ or KJ? We can't now pass (not that I advocate limping on the button with AJ or KJ in an unopened pot, but this is an on-line game).

Point taken, but if I limp here I am looking for a set and a set only. If I am convinced he has AA or KK preflop, then I am still convinced he has AA or KK post flop.

Of course yeah I agree with that. If you are playing them like a smaller pair and playing no set no bet thats fine - I had assumed that you were looking for an underflop and hoping the villain moves with  AK! lol

[M3boy]

Nooooooooo lol.

The worst flop I could see after limping would be A Q x

eeek!!!

[Royal Flush]

Occasionally over the last couple of weeks i have thought my poor form maybe down to my opponents getting better and maybe poker is not so easy any more. Maybe i will have to go get some honest work!

Then i read this thread and realised there is still bucket loads of dead money out there.

[WellChief]

lol

[TightPaulFolds]

QQ push there is the button limper's wet dream. Puts the BB out of action also.
If it weren't for LAG money, who would play this game?

[doubleup]

Occasionally over the last couple of weeks i have thought my poor form maybe down to my opponents getting better and maybe poker is not so easy any more. Maybe i will have to go get some honest work!

Then i read this thread and realised there is still bucket loads of dead money out there.

Maybe you aren't paying attention, but when was the last time you saw, an apparent tag player, limping on the button, then sticking almost all his chips in, with JJ.

[Royal Flush]

Occasionally over the last couple of weeks i have thought my poor form maybe down to my opponents getting better and maybe poker is not so easy any more. Maybe i will have to go get some honest work!

Then i read this thread and realised there is still bucket loads of dead money out there.

Maybe you aren't paying attention, but when was the last time you saw, an apparent tag player, limping on the button, then sticking almost all his chips in, with JJ.

Probably about a week ago, i see it more with hands like 66-TT than JJ.

[sweet potata!]

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Probably about a week ago, i see it more with hands like 66-TT than JJ.
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I'd tend to agree

[doubleup]

Occasionally over the last couple of weeks i have thought my poor form maybe down to my opponents getting better and maybe poker is not so easy any more. Maybe i will have to go get some honest work!

Then i read this thread and realised there is still bucket loads of dead money out there.

Maybe you aren't paying attention, but when was the last time you saw, an apparent tag player, limping on the button, then sticking almost all his chips in, with JJ.

Probably about a week ago, i see it more with hands like 66-TT than JJ.

Sorry you weren't listening

TAG

BUTTON

ALMOST ALL HIS CHIPS

not loose donkey in mid position with half the chips in play

[TightPaulFolds]

Sorry you weren't listening

TAG

BUTTON

ALMOST ALL HIS CHIPS

not loose donkey in mid position with half the chips in play

I agree.
A bit hard to notice the significance of a TAG button limper when you've been playing for 2 1/2 hours and you look down to find Colin & Justin. What is his 'psychological state'? Ready to come over the top with 22-TT? That psychological state in a TAG has already pushed it on the button.

[johnbhoy76]

Because if you limp and the flop comes with no A or K, how can you now give him AA if you didn't preflop? His limp might be suspicious but it is only franked and noted after the limp reraise. If the flop comes jack high, you lead and he jams, how do we know he didn't button limp with AJ or KJ? We can't now pass (not that I advocate limping on the button with AJ or KJ in an unopened pot, but this is an on-line game).

Point taken, but if I limp here I am looking for a set and a set only. If I am convinced he has AA or KK preflop, then I am still convinced he has AA or KK post flop.

so everyone who limps in on the button has AA??

The guy could have small pocket pair or suited connectors or he might have clicked call instead of fold by mistake etc... etc...

The guy in the small blind is going to be out of position for the entire hand post flop. He must raise here. The idea that he should just call and hope to flop a miracle set because the other guy "must have aces" is bonkers.

His raise with QQ effectively asked the question - "have you got aces"

[johnbhoy76]

Nooooooooo lol.

The worst flop I could see after limping would be A Q x

eeek!!!

you seriously saying that if the betting went

Button - limp

you with QQ - call

Big blind - check

flop comes A Q rag

are you saying you would not do all your chips in here?

[M3boy]

No, I am saying that would be the WORST flop I would like to see.

Never said I wouldnt do my chips

[johnbhoy76]

No, I am saying that would be the WORST flop I would like to see.

Never said I wouldnt do my chips

but unless you have raised back at the button limper then how do you know he has AA?

he could have anything

For that matter if the flop came rag rag rag I'd be worried about the Big blind because he could now have flopped two pair with his 94os or whatever random hand he is holding.