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[thediceman]

Re: James cancer comment, I've lost both my parents to cancer sometime ago and understand he was just attempting to make a point against capital punishment in a rather clumsy and somewhat insensitive manner which could offended people who are effected by cancer. Maybe stupidity is reason enough for shooting someone   .

Re: shooting/hanging/imposing capital punishment to child offenders I really don't it's worth getting into a debate about it as whether I agree or not it's never going to happen, which is propably a good thing as miscarriages of justice do happen. Indeed discussion is needed re: the alternatives. Some have stated such offenders should be made known to the public but I suspect this would just drive such offenders even more underground and disappear from whatever monitoring programmes have been put in place. Also it has been known for vigilante groups to hound individuals on false rumours when infact a person has never committed such a crime. For me personally I think the options are either lock the door and throw away the key (cost is not important protecting the innocent is) or permanently tag such offenders once they are released into the community having served their sentance. At least this way they can always be monitored. Some may go onto re-offended (which is always a risk) but it's better a better option than to allow the free movement other than a daily visit to the cop shop to sign in.

[taximan007]

I get the feeling the general concensus is that a convicted child abuser (the subject of this thread) serves his time and is rehabilitated then its ok for him to return to the streets?

I disagree but respect others thoughts

[Sark79]

I don't believe that these people can ever be truly cured, however I am 100%  against the death penalty or using any kind of violence to rehabilitate them either.  It is a tough one for those in a position of power to come to a solution that will make everyone happy. 

[bolt pp]

I don't believe that these people can ever be truly cured, however I am 100%  against the death penalty or using any kind of violence to rehabilitate them either.  It is a tough one for those in a position of power to come to a solution that will make everyone happy. 

 

[lazaroonie]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

meanwhile back in the real world.....

where did you read that sex offenders are given a new identity ?

[taximan007]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

meanwhile back in the real world.....

where did you read that sex offenders are given a new identity ?

I didnt, the question was a hypothetical one, but imo plausible, as these people ARE released and Rehoused in areas unknowing to the residents there.

My apologies again if it was a stupid question. its like MOST things in life, until something actually affects you or your family directly its very difficult to know how you would react.

[M3boy]

As I understand it, The Sex Offenders register is for public viewing AND included address? Maybe I am wrong.

For someone who said "live and let live" - in respect of a rapist/sex offender living where they like and its none of your business, I disagree strongly!!

If a convicted thief cannot get a job invloving handling money, then why should a sex offender/rapist be ANY different??

Trust has to be earnt, not given in my opinion.

I for one would move, if I knew a sex offender/rapsit moved into my street - 100% without question!!

Now if that makes me wrong, then I am wrong.

[marcro]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

No, I vote we ship them to Scotland.

[barhell]

As I understand it, The Sex Offenders register is for public viewing AND included address? Maybe I am wrong.

For someone who said "live and let live" - in respect of a rapist/sex offender living where they like and its none of your business, I disagree strongly!!

If a convicted thief cannot get a job invloving handling money, then why should a sex offender/rapist be ANY different??

Trust has to be earnt, not given in my opinion.

I for one would move, if I knew a sex offender/rapsit moved into my street - 100% without question!!

Now if that makes me wrong, then I am wrong.

Why should you move? You are innocent.

[lazaroonie]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

meanwhile back in the real world.....

where did you read that sex offenders are given a new identity ?

I didnt, the question was a hypothetical one, but imo plausible, as these people ARE released and Rehoused in areas unknowing to the residents there.

My apologies again if it was a stupid question. its like MOST things in life, until something actually affects you or your family directly its very difficult to know how you would react.

its not that it was just a stupid question, but an utterly pointless question based on factually incorrect and mischevious information. You dont do your own argument any favours by basing on flimsy hypothesis like this.

[barhell]

Just from sitting on the side lines reading this thread (2 posts above was my first in this thread) shows why Blonde is the community it is and why occassionally tiffs are seen here, the views in this thread alone show we are a very diverse bunch.
Personally that is what i love about Blonde as a "community", long may it continue.

[The Camel]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

Pathetic publications such as The News Of The World and The Sun (with fascist, right-wing, self serving, mouthpieces like John Gaunt and Richard Littlejohn at their disposal) have seen to it that Joe Public thinks it's his god given right to reign fire and brimstone down upon whosoever should infringe on his or hers "civil liberties".

Society was founded upon the notion that a delegated authority would enforce laws and administer punishment. The fact that a sex offender (wether they be paedophillic, or not) lives within a certain radius of someone, is, frankly, none of their business. If they have served their debt to society, then there is no other option but to live and let live.

If you disagree with me, then think upon this. Where does the buck stop? What kind of comparisons can you draw?Should all female members of the community be informed whenever a convicted rapist moves within a certain radius? And if not, are you putting the "value" of a womans life above that of a childs? That defies basic theological and social notions of the equality and sanctity of life.

It is not the publics duty to pass summary judgment onto an individual, for any reason, whatever the crime may be.

Now if you're talking about the individual working with children, then that's a different matter. The most basic form of rehabilitation is one of denial. It goes without saying that it's not in the publics interests to let them work in a situtation where they may spend any amount of time un-supervised with a minor.

Dealer,

3 years ago I would have agreed with almost everything you write.

Having a child changes all that.

I would bet alot of money you haven't any kids.

You would do anything (and I mean anything) to protect them.

[dealerFROMhell]

As I understand it, The Sex Offenders register is for public viewing AND included address? Maybe I am wrong.

Yes, you are wrong. It's for exclusive police use.

If a convicted thief cannot get a job invloving handling money, then why should a sex offender/rapist be ANY different??

I also said in my post that they shouldn't be allowed to work in close proximity to children.

[dealerFROMhell]

Dealer,

3 years ago I would have agreed with almost everything you write.

Having a child changes all that.

I would bet alot of money you haven't any kids.

You would do anything (and I mean anything) to protect them.

Well, I disagree here.

Sure, maybe if I did have kids then i'd react differently, but that would only be my own personal interests hindering my ability to make a rational judgment on whats best for society as a whole, in dealing with the issue of rehabilatation.

You have to be objective in these things, and I freely admit that it's quite difficult when the thought of your child being harmed is going through your mind.

[I KNOW IT]

A question for those who think that child abusing perverts should be given a second chance in society if they have deemed to have mended their ways and served their time in prison, How many of would be happy to see Sickky T post on here again in about 5 years time?.