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« on: March 31, 2007, 11:50:17 AM »

I am well aware most 'professional' poker players make their living from playing cash games.

But something i have always wondered is: when you sit down in a tournament, whether it be a £20 rebuy at your local card room or a 'major' event is your INITIAL goal to WIN the event or to try and make sure you CASH? (any profit has to be good if you are doing it for a living)
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2007, 11:55:03 AM »

cant win if you dont make the money

tournies aren't won on the first day, so survival is the most important thing

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2007, 12:23:57 PM »

old school thinking is survival but the new players play for the win fdrom the off. This is why you will see many pros having early baths trying to get a stack. Tis better to win one event and not cash 19 times then creep into the cash 15 times out of 20. I personally play for the win in any event I sit down in its just not gone to plan for the last couple of years Wink
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2007, 12:31:39 PM »

old school thinking is survival but the new players play for the win fdrom the off. This is why you will see many pros having early baths trying to get a stack. Tis better to win one event and not cash 19 times then creep into the cash 15 times out of 20. I personally play for the win in any event I sit down in its just not gone to plan for the last couple of years Wink

Good point, considering the money in major events these days, Thank You
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2007, 12:56:19 PM »

I am well aware most 'professional' poker players make their living from playing cash games.

But something i have always wondered is: when you sit down in a tournament, whether it be a £20 rebuy at your local card room or a 'major' event is your INITIAL goal to WIN the event or to try and make sure you CASH? (any profit has to be good if you are doing it for a living)

Making sure i cash is never a concern, i look to make the most money possible.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2007, 01:01:11 PM »

old school thinking is survival but the new players play for the win from the off. This is why you will see many pros having early baths trying to get a stack. Tis better to win one event and not cash 19 times then creep into the cash 15 times out of 20. I personally play for the win in any event I sit down in its just not gone to plan for the last couple of years Wink

Good point, considering the money in major events these days, Thank You

I try to take this logic & water it down to my feeble levels.

Of course, financially, one good win pays for loads of misses. 

But what about the physcological side to it.  If you fail, & fail & fail again, how do you keep mentally strong.  Is there not an argument to say that regular cashes keep the mind keen, & all you need to do is get that one step further.  eg if you regularly hit the cash, but are low stacked, then a double up at that point is going to give you a playable stack to push on with.

Whereas not cashing time & time again, but suddenly hitting the final table with a top 3 stack, are you going to be mentally capable of closing it down ?

Or is it horses for courses ?  ( or maybe I'm just wrong  )
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2007, 01:03:57 PM »

I am well aware most 'professional' poker players make their living from playing cash games.

But something i have always wondered is: when you sit down in a tournament, whether it be a £20 rebuy at your local card room or a 'major' event is your INITIAL goal to WIN the event or to try and make sure you CASH? (any profit has to be good if you are doing it for a living)

Making sure i cash is never a concern, i look to make the most money possible.

Fair point. You are playing in a 'big tourney' have accumalated a good stack of chips (enough to see you into the money) only a few players to go out. Does this alter your style of play? i.e are you happy to 'cruise' into the money or do you get more aggresive in your play as you have 'big chips'
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2007, 01:08:40 PM »

I am well aware most 'professional' poker players make their living from playing cash games.

But something i have always wondered is: when you sit down in a tournament, whether it be a £20 rebuy at your local card room or a 'major' event is your INITIAL goal to WIN the event or to try and make sure you CASH? (any profit has to be good if you are doing it for a living)

Making sure i cash is never a concern, i look to make the most money possible.

Fair point. You are playing in a 'big tourney' have accumalated a good stack of chips (enough to see you into the money) only a few players to go out. Does this alter your style of play? i.e are you happy to 'cruise' into the money or do you get more aggresive in your play as you have 'big chips'

Big chips on the bubble is a beautiful thing, i go absolutely mental at this stage, raising and re-raising like i am trying to get knocked out of the comp. It's the easiest time to build a stack and you will see any top player doing it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2007, 01:23:28 PM »

Your my hero Flushy.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2007, 02:03:48 PM »

Your my hero Flushy.

You stole my line!

You still going out tonight?
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2007, 02:09:16 PM »


For me, un-sponsored like most of us, Bankroll Management is all that matters.

Going for the win is all very well & heroic, but no money = no poker, so for me, priority number one is to cash.

Laugh if you will, but how else does one of such mediocre talent survive in poker? Many a better player than me has gone busto going for the win, & many of them exist on the Circuit only by nipping.

I pay my way, my way. Earning enough to stay in the game I love  - without nipping all & sundry - is all that matters to me.
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2007, 02:23:52 PM »


For me, un-sponsored like most of us, Bankroll Management is all that matters.

Going for the win is all very well & heroic, but no money = no poker, so for me, priority number one is to cash.

Laugh if you will, but how else does one of such mediocre talent survive in poker? Many a better player than me has gone busto going for the win, & many of them exist on the Circuit only by nipping.

I pay my way, my way. Earning enough to stay in the game I love  - without nipping all & sundry - is all that matters to me.

Bankroll management is a completely different matter. Of course you can reduce the amount of risks you take in tournaments so you don't need as big a bankroll, it will cost you money in the long run though, but for some that is the best thing to do. Personally though when i play a comp it's usually (not festivals) about 0.2% of my bankroll so i don't have to take such considerations.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2007, 02:42:28 PM »


For me, un-sponsored like most of us, Bankroll Management is all that matters.

Going for the win is all very well & heroic, but no money = no poker, so for me, priority number one is to cash.

Laugh if you will, but how else does one of such mediocre talent survive in poker? Many a better player than me has gone busto going for the win, & many of them exist on the Circuit only by nipping.

I pay my way, my way. Earning enough to stay in the game I love  - without nipping all & sundry - is all that matters to me.

Bankroll management is a completely different matter. Of course you can reduce the amount of risks you take in tournaments so you don't need as big a bankroll, it will cost you money in the long run though, but for some that is the best thing to do. Personally though when i play a comp it's usually (not festivals) about 0.2% of my bankroll so i don't have to take such considerations.

I actually think Bankroll Management IS part of strategy in Tourney Poker - well, it is for me!
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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2007, 02:49:09 PM »


For me, un-sponsored like most of us, Bankroll Management is all that matters.

Going for the win is all very well & heroic, but no money = no poker, so for me, priority number one is to cash.

Laugh if you will, but how else does one of such mediocre talent survive in poker? Many a better player than me has gone busto going for the win, & many of them exist on the Circuit only by nipping.

I pay my way, my way. Earning enough to stay in the game I love  - without nipping all & sundry - is all that matters to me.


tony,this  is probably your best ever post imo.

stellar stuff.

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2007, 02:57:36 PM »


For me, un-sponsored like most of us, Bankroll Management is all that matters.

Going for the win is all very well & heroic, but no money = no poker, so for me, priority number one is to cash.

Laugh if you will, but how else does one of such mediocre talent survive in poker? Many a better player than me has gone busto going for the win, & many of them exist on the Circuit only by nipping.

I pay my way, my way. Earning enough to stay in the game I love  - without nipping all & sundry - is all that matters to me.

Bankroll management is a completely different matter. Of course you can reduce the amount of risks you take in tournaments so you don't need as big a bankroll, it will cost you money in the long run though, but for some that is the best thing to do. Personally though when i play a comp it's usually (not festivals) about 0.2% of my bankroll so i don't have to take such considerations.

So a £30k + bankroll then - nice
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