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[The Baron]

A foot in? Haha

Souness knew how to put a foot in. Berbatov dived. Webb got it wrong. Obv poor Kenny is the result.

wtf at the amount of people saying man utd had 12 men. The decisions were fine (not a man u fan). And even if not it wasn't even funny or witty in the first place.

Howard Webb always favours man u.

Ludicrous comment really

I am neutral, and could see why both yesterday's decision were given

No point transferring ire to someone like a ref who will make mistakes really, its just a bit petty. He's not corrupt, or biased, or else he wouldn't have been at the top of his game for years and the English FIFA ref would he?



On a lighter note, Ryan Babel is being done by the FA for a retweet offence

+1. Nice scapegoat for Kenny in his first game in charge. Berba going nowhere and Agger decides to put a foot in. And Gerrard gave ref a reason to send him off for two feet in the air.

[George2Loose]

A foot in? Haha

Souness knew how to put a foot in. Berbatov dived. Webb got it wrong. Obv poor Kenny is the result.

wtf at the amount of people saying man utd had 12 men. The decisions were fine (not a man u fan). And even if not it wasn't even funny or witty in the first place.

Howard Webb always favours man u.

Ludicrous comment really

I am neutral, and could see why both yesterday's decision were given

No point transferring ire to someone like a ref who will make mistakes really, its just a bit petty. He's not corrupt, or biased, or else he wouldn't have been at the top of his game for years and the English FIFA ref would he?



On a lighter note, Ryan Babel is being done by the FA for a retweet offence

+1. Nice scapegoat for Kenny in his first game in charge. Berba going nowhere and Agger decides to put a foot in. And Gerrard gave ref a reason to send him off for two feet in the air.

Yep foot in. There was contact. Listen to any commentator on radio/TV etc they have all said the same. it was soft but by putting his foot in he gave the ref an option and if it's well known that webb favours Man U surely lolpool were aware of this and wouldn't give him a reason to give a soft decision?

[TightEnd]

Fair post Rich bit equally fair to say he's just not that good?

wtf at the amount of people saying man utd had 12 men. The decisions were fine (not a man u fan). And even if not it wasn't even funny or witty in the first place.

Howard Webb always favours man u.

Ludicrous comment really

I am neutral, and could see why both yesterday's decision were given

No point transferring ire to someone like a ref who will make mistakes really, its just a bit petty. He's not corrupt, or biased, or else he wouldn't have been at the top of his game for years and the English FIFA ref would he?



On a lighter note, Ryan Babel is being done by the FA for a retweet offence

Try some of the refs outside the Premiership!

He might not be all that as a ref, but better judges than me have had him on lists for a decade

The pen itself, Berba made the most of it, but Agger made an unnecceasry challenge. He did contact him and Webb took advice from his assistant

[MANTIS01]

Penalty or no penalty a sloppy challenge at Old Trafford in the box after 30 secs is asking for trouble. So why be sloppy? Gerrard launching through the air in the current climate is asking for trouble. So why do it? Torres just milling about up front looking like he can't be arsed either way fails to inspire his colleagues when they desperately need inspiration. Why do it? New boss to impress, new positivity, correct starting 11, better tactics and all that but Dalglish couldn''t control any of those negatives when the whistle blew and nor could Roy. If your most influential players don't perform you will lose matches regardless of who is in charge.

[The Baron]

A foot in? Haha

Souness knew how to put a foot in. Berbatov dived. Webb got it wrong. Obv poor Kenny is the result.

wtf at the amount of people saying man utd had 12 men. The decisions were fine (not a man u fan). And even if not it wasn't even funny or witty in the first place.

Howard Webb always favours man u.

Ludicrous comment really

I am neutral, and could see why both yesterday's decision were given

No point transferring ire to someone like a ref who will make mistakes really, its just a bit petty. He's not corrupt, or biased, or else he wouldn't have been at the top of his game for years and the English FIFA ref would he?



On a lighter note, Ryan Babel is being done by the FA for a retweet offence

+1. Nice scapegoat for Kenny in his first game in charge. Berba going nowhere and Agger decides to put a foot in. And Gerrard gave ref a reason to send him off for two feet in the air.

Yep foot in. There was contact. Listen to any commentator on radio/TV etc they have all said the same. it was soft but by putting his foot in he gave the ref an option and if it's well known that webb favours Man U surely lolpool were aware of this and wouldn't give him a reason to give a soft decision?

Couldn't agree more about Agger. But his challenge and Webb's decision are a separate issue. Webb got it wrong.

[The Baron]

Fair post Rich bit equally fair to say he's just not that good?

wtf at the amount of people saying man utd had 12 men. The decisions were fine (not a man u fan). And even if not it wasn't even funny or witty in the first place.

Howard Webb always favours man u.

Ludicrous comment really

I am neutral, and could see why both yesterday's decision were given

No point transferring ire to someone like a ref who will make mistakes really, its just a bit petty. He's not corrupt, or biased, or else he wouldn't have been at the top of his game for years and the English FIFA ref would he?



On a lighter note, Ryan Babel is being done by the FA for a retweet offence

Try some of the refs outside the Premiership!

He might not be all that as a ref, but better judges than me have had him on lists for a decade

The pen itself, Berba made the most of it, but Agger made an unnecceasry challenge. He did contact him and Webb took advice from his assistant

You are right but....The FA, Uefa and Fifa? Sigh. Says it all really.

[The Baron]

Penalty or no penalty a sloppy challenge at Old Trafford in the box after 30 secs is asking for trouble. So why be sloppy? Gerrard launching through the air in the current climate is asking for trouble. So why do it? Torres just milling about up front looking like he can't be arsed either way fails to inspire his colleagues when they desperately need inspiration. Why do it? New boss to impress, new positivity, correct starting 11, better tactics and all that but Dalglish couldn''t control any of those negatives when the whistle blew and nor could Roy. If your most influential players don't perform you will lose matches regardless of who is in charge.

I agree. The bigger picture is why this thread is so long undoubtedly. No one is denying our issues. They're not helped by bad refereeing though.

Would Gerrard make the tackle if not 1-0 down? Would Torres sulk if not 1-0 down and down to 10 men? The answer to both question is probably yes in all honesty, but the ref has helped to create the game that panned out with a compound error in the first 30 seconds.

[nirvana]

Penalty or no penalty a sloppy challenge at Old Trafford in the box after 30 secs is asking for trouble. So why be sloppy? Gerrard launching through the air in the current climate is asking for trouble. So why do it? Torres just milling about up front looking like he can't be arsed either way fails to inspire his colleagues when they desperately need inspiration. Why do it? New boss to impress, new positivity, correct starting 11, better tactics and all that but Dalglish couldn''t control any of those negatives when the whistle blew and nor could Roy. If your most influential players don't perform you will lose matches regardless of who is in charge.

I agree. The bigger picture is why this thread is so long undoubtedly. No one is denying our issues. They're not helped by bad refereeing though.

Would Gerrard make the tackle if not 1-0 down? Would Torres sulk if not 1-0 down and down to 10 men? The answer to both question is probably yes in all honesty, but the ref has helped to create the game that panned out with a compound error in the first 30 seconds.

tbh, if sulking and launching are the reactions to going 1-0 down then you really do have bigger problems than any manager can hope to deal with. In a way, Gerard (head down till he hits the hoardings) epitomises the total lack of skill and flair running through the whole team.

[The Baron]

Penalty or no penalty a sloppy challenge at Old Trafford in the box after 30 secs is asking for trouble. So why be sloppy? Gerrard launching through the air in the current climate is asking for trouble. So why do it? Torres just milling about up front looking like he can't be arsed either way fails to inspire his colleagues when they desperately need inspiration. Why do it? New boss to impress, new positivity, correct starting 11, better tactics and all that but Dalglish couldn''t control any of those negatives when the whistle blew and nor could Roy. If your most influential players don't perform you will lose matches regardless of who is in charge.

I agree. The bigger picture is why this thread is so long undoubtedly. No one is denying our issues. They're not helped by bad refereeing though.

Would Gerrard make the tackle if not 1-0 down? Would Torres sulk if not 1-0 down and down to 10 men? The answer to both question is probably yes in all honesty, but the ref has helped to create the game that panned out with a compound error in the first 30 seconds.

tbh, if sulking and launching are the reactions to going 1-0 down then you really do have bigger problems than any manager can hope to deal with. In a way, Gerard (head down till he hits the hoardings) epitomises the total lack of skill and flair running through the whole team.

Against Bolton the comeback was inspired by Gerrard - he's done it so many times season after season leading by exmaple, usually starting with a full blooded challenge on his opposite number.

Last season Gerrard was shit but this year he aint the problem.

[nirvana]

Penalty or no penalty a sloppy challenge at Old Trafford in the box after 30 secs is asking for trouble. So why be sloppy? Gerrard launching through the air in the current climate is asking for trouble. So why do it? Torres just milling about up front looking like he can't be arsed either way fails to inspire his colleagues when they desperately need inspiration. Why do it? New boss to impress, new positivity, correct starting 11, better tactics and all that but Dalglish couldn''t control any of those negatives when the whistle blew and nor could Roy. If your most influential players don't perform you will lose matches regardless of who is in charge.

I agree. The bigger picture is why this thread is so long undoubtedly. No one is denying our issues. They're not helped by bad refereeing though.

Would Gerrard make the tackle if not 1-0 down? Would Torres sulk if not 1-0 down and down to 10 men? The answer to both question is probably yes in all honesty, but the ref has helped to create the game that panned out with a compound error in the first 30 seconds.

tbh, if sulking and launching are the reactions to going 1-0 down then you really do have bigger problems than any manager can hope to deal with. In a way, Gerard (head down till he hits the hoardings) epitomises the total lack of skill and flair running through the whole team.

Against Bolton the comeback was inspired by Gerrard - he's done it so many times season after season leading by exmaple, usually starting with a full blooded challenge on his opposite number.

Last season Gerrard was shit but this year he aint the problem.

I can see that he's been an inspirational figure, I think his effort and work rate is second to not many and he can be extremely effective playing high up the pitch. But Liverpool are going to have to get some real falir into that team to do well again I think - otherwise they are pretty much Stoke City.

[relaedgc]

I agree that Torres is disgraceful and lazy. He doesn't show the slightest bit of interest or passion.

I'm starting to think that we'd be better off with someone who isn't close to as talented as Torres but at least will play with their heart. We need to understand that the fundamentals need to change -- and such things take time. Digging our heels in over Torres is pointless and unfair; to both sides.

[vegaslover]

I'm at Liverpool fan an in-game that challenge looked like it could be a pen, so no real surprise it was given. However replays clearly showed it was a dive. If webb was given advice then his assistant is blind imo.
Gerrard couldn't complain about his card, you take two feet off the ground you're getting red, regardless of whether you win the ball. The FA and refs seem pretty clear on this.

IMO, and Rafa should of done this once last season was fk'ed, Kenny needs to give several of the kids a run in the team. We aint gonna win sod all, so give 'em experience for next season. I actually think this may happen anyway as Kenny has a good track record for developing youth.

[boldie]

I agree that Torres is disgraceful and lazy. He doesn't show the slightest bit of interest or passion.

I'm starting to think that we'd be better off with [/b]someone who isn't close to as talented as Torres but at least will play with their heart[/b]. We need to understand that the fundamentals need to change -- and such things take time. Digging our heels in over Torres is pointless and unfair; to both sides.

Heskey?

[The Baron]

Penalty or no penalty a sloppy challenge at Old Trafford in the box after 30 secs is asking for trouble. So why be sloppy? Gerrard launching through the air in the current climate is asking for trouble. So why do it? Torres just milling about up front looking like he can't be arsed either way fails to inspire his colleagues when they desperately need inspiration. Why do it? New boss to impress, new positivity, correct starting 11, better tactics and all that but Dalglish couldn''t control any of those negatives when the whistle blew and nor could Roy. If your most influential players don't perform you will lose matches regardless of who is in charge.

I agree. The bigger picture is why this thread is so long undoubtedly. No one is denying our issues. They're not helped by bad refereeing though.

Would Gerrard make the tackle if not 1-0 down? Would Torres sulk if not 1-0 down and down to 10 men? The answer to both question is probably yes in all honesty, but the ref has helped to create the game that panned out with a compound error in the first 30 seconds.

tbh, if sulking and launching are the reactions to going 1-0 down then you really do have bigger problems than any manager can hope to deal with. In a way, Gerard (head down till he hits the hoardings) epitomises the total lack of skill and flair running through the whole team.

Against Bolton the comeback was inspired by Gerrard - he's done it so many times season after season leading by exmaple, usually starting with a full blooded challenge on his opposite number.

Last season Gerrard was shit but this year he aint the problem.

I can see that he's been an inspirational figure, I think his effort and work rate is second to not many and he can be extremely effective playing high up the pitch. But Liverpool are going to have to get some real falir into that team to do well again I think - otherwise they are pretty much Stoke City.

If we had their height and aggression I'd be happy right now.

[77dave]

Liverpool Football Club would like to offer their congratulations to Glen Johnson and his partner following the birth of their baby boy.

 The Reds full-back missed the weekend's FA Cup clash with Manchester United after his partner went into labour before giving birth on Tuesday night.

Everybody at LFC would like to wish Glen, mother and baby all the best at this joyous time.



Looks like Kelly to start again tonight