Liverpool FC

[The Baron]

Not sure I agree that we should feel sorry for Suarez, he's an adult and on a number of occasions he has failed to act in a manner befitting an adult with any brains. Every time there has been a situation where he could have reduced the tensions, or negative feelings towards himself he has stocked the flames and made it impossible for neutrals to accept he is a stand up person.

I agree he is in a difficult situation now, but its 100% his own fault...You cant change the past but at least showing that you are learning from past mistakes would help.

Deceiving to the club and making them look like twats will be his ultimate downfall not because he made racist comments.

In any other job I can think off he would have been instantly sacked.

In any other job the lack of evidence would have seen the charges dropped pretty quickly.

Aside from the 3 seconds of non-handshake, genuinely, who acted like a bugger tw*t on Saturday, Suarez or  Evra? The crunching tackle on Rio, (lol) the chasing down the tunnel, the post match jumping about... The actions of a grown man with brains obv....

[The Baron]

Barnes legend:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/press-pass/blog/2012-02-12/barnes-racism-within-football-not-being-dealt-properly

[Peter Costa]

It's obvious that views are divided on Suarez but really, what exactly did he do in his time in the PL before the Evra incident? As far as I saw, Suarez was a player who gave his all in every match. Yes, he got accused of diving etc. And yes he went down too easy sometimes but what else?. Did I miss something during that time? Dick he attack anyone? Did he injure a player? Was he involved in any controversy? Was he actually ever booked for "diving" as other players had? How many penalties did Suarez earn through "diving" during his time? Was there one? In effect, many had their views about Suarez but with no real incidents to back up those views. If anyone feels differently and wishes to point any incidents than I would gladly discuss them. 



We then have the Evra incident. We could go on all day and discuss the various aspects of the case. The upshot however is that Suarez was found guilty on probability and nothing more. The major misconception is that his admission of using a particular word, is somehow admission of guilt. It's simply a word that we do not have in our culture. We have a word that matches it, but the two are not connected in terms of how and why those words are used. To suggest that because of the similarities in the words, this was a racist slur is simply not valid. Again, we could go on and on and look at a variety of links that go into great detail about this word. Irrespective of everything, is there no possibility that the verdict was unjust?



Can anyone honestly look at any judgment based on probability and say that there was no possibility of injustice in the verdict? So what % is probable?. 51%? 60%? 70%? 80%? 90%? What ever that figure happens to be, there is room for doubt. Where there is doubt, there is room for injustice. This has clearly been the case in many instances involving red cards. However, those are limited in the damage they do I.E, players missing matches etc. This judgment was obviously far more important as it concerned much bigger issues.


So no matter what views we hold, there is always the possibility that injustice has taken place. If that is the case, then imagine for a moment how Suarez must feeling?

As for everything else that followed the verdict, who knows just how much this has affected the mindset of Suarez?

[The Camel]

Wasn't much doubt about the fact Suarez bit Otman Bakkal was there?

[Peter Costa]

Wasn't much doubt about the fact Suarez bit Otman Bakkal was there?

None at all. But I gather he served his punishment before coming to the UK and rightly so. But let me ask you, did you see any actions from Suarez before the Evra incident that you found disturbing? I know about comments of diving etc, but have we not see much worse from others in the past and since his coming to the UK? Just interested to see if I missed something in particular.

[The Camel]

Wasn't much doubt about the fact Suarez bit Otman Bakkal was there?

None at all. But I gather he served his punishment before coming to the UK and rightly so. But let me ask you, did you see any actions from Suarez before the Evra incident that you found disturbing? I know about comments of diving etc, but have we not see much worse from others in the past and since his coming to the UK? Just interested to see if I missed something in particular.

Yes he served his time, but it shows what sort of a man he is.

I have watched many thousands of football matches and I have never seen a player do anything like that before.

Nothing of note in the handful of games he'd played in England prior to the Evra incident.

[nirvana]

Barnes legend:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/press-pass/blog/2012-02-12/barnes-racism-within-football-not-being-dealt-properly

Really interesting. Embarrassed to say I hadn't even questioned notions of 'race'.

Having said that it's always been obvious to me that most 'racists' don't really discriminate on notions of race but almost exclusively on peoples outward appearance.

[Acidmouse]

Not sure I agree that we should feel sorry for Suarez, he's an adult and on a number of occasions he has failed to act in a manner befitting an adult with any brains. Every time there has been a situation where he could have reduced the tensions, or negative feelings towards himself he has stocked the flames and made it impossible for neutrals to accept he is a stand up person.

I agree he is in a difficult situation now, but its 100% his own fault...You cant change the past but at least showing that you are learning from past mistakes would help.

Deceiving to the club and making them look like twats will be his ultimate downfall not because he made racist comments.

In any other job I can think off he would have been instantly sacked.

In any other job the lack of evidence would have seen the charges dropped pretty quickly.

Aside from the 3 seconds of non-handshake, genuinely, who acted like a bugger tw*t on Saturday, Suarez or  Evra? The crunching tackle on Rio, (lol) the chasing down the tunnel, the post match jumping about... The actions of a grown man with brains obv....

This is was tilts me, Liverpool fans still not accepting he is guilty. Until you accept he is guilty of racist abuse you wont move on from it. I am guessing this is the problem with the place, they all think Suarez is the real victim. Listen I tell someone at University where I work you call someone a negro, I wont get the luxury of a 3 man tribunal its an instant dismissal, Suarez was more then fairly dealt with. If there was any shred of evidence of his innocence Liverpool would have appealed, they did not.

Can you not make a post without refering to Evra? again another problem with Liverpool fans unable to defend Suarez unless they slate someone elses actions. This aint whistle blowing where the best form of defence is to attack the victim of the crime.

You say Suarez was ok at the weekend after the non-handshake? Who kicked the ball into the the crowd?  

[kinboshi]

Have you read the report?

[MANTIS01]

Any foreign player who comes to England and goes to ground easily is snap awarded villain status and that's just the way it is. Ginola, Klinsmann, Ronaldo were all notorious divers when they first arrived and all got booed when they went down. It's not what the punters want to see or what football fans respect. When you invest 23 million quid in a player and pay them a vast salary you should really expect them to try and make a positive impression from day one. Diving isn't going to make that positive impression in the English game, and it's all about image these days, as Standard Chartered will testify to. So it's weird that for these vasts sums people can't just cut out the development stage and simply tell foreign players how to successfully manage themselves on the pitch in England from day one.  

Btw the report said the panel generally thought Suarez was an unreliable witness and did not rightly trust what he said. That general feeling of a witness not telling the truth is hard to convey using words in a report but every jury will get a feeling if somebody is being honest or not. I don't know why Liverpool fans are so convinced Suarez was completely truthful and convincing when giving evidence, especially after their recent experience.

[kinboshi]

Never said he was completely truthful, but as with most things there are generally three sides to every story; yours, mine and the truth somewhere inbetween.

Of course he's no angel, and at times he can be a proper prick. But as the report states, none of the parties involved consider him racist. But that is exactly what many consider him to be now.

I think he'll be gone from English football within a year. Will he be missed? Probably not for very long, players come and go, and even world class forwards are replaceable. Will he be remembered for his football or for this incident? Probably the latter unfortunately.

[MANTIS01]

It's not just Liverpool thou. Tony Fernandes shells out big bucks on Cisse to help QPR stave off relegation and 30mins into home debut he's wtf throttling Roger Johnson, bang out for 3 vital games. And Carlos Tevez back from 3 month golfing break in Argentina thinking he's been treated like a dog. That's one rich spoilt bastard dog if you ask me.

[Peter Costa]

Wasn't much doubt about the fact Suarez bit Otman Bakkal was there?

None at all. But I gather he served his punishment before coming to the UK and rightly so. But let me ask you, did you see any actions from Suarez before the Evra incident that you found disturbing? I know about comments of diving etc, but have we not see much worse from others in the past and since his coming to the UK? Just interested to see if I missed something in particular.

Yes he served his time, but it shows what sort of a man he is.

I have watched many thousands of football matches and I have never seen a player do anything like that before.

Nothing of note in the handful of games he'd played in England prior to the Evra incident.

Not sure if any one incident on a football pitch is a true and unbiased reflection on how man is in real life. To really know a person must take more than a flashpoint in what a is passion filled surrounding. As for his actions in his time in the PL, you indicate there have been no real incidents to talk about. That's strange considering how he seemed to be one of the the most hated (if not the most hated) player in UK football prior to the Evra incident. As for his time here, I think he has played a substancial number of games without any incident as such. I think the main issue that fans pick on is the animated way he plays. I agree that he goes over the top in expressing himslef but is that really so offensive? 

Anyway, hope poker is going well for and look forward to seeing in Vegas later this year. Which team do you support btw? 

[sweet potata!]

He supports the Quarter Pound of Rubbish!

Peter -  I agree with you that Suarez was already the most hated man in the prem before the Evra incident, I may be biased of course, But I felt he was definitely getting a raw deal, you had Scharner from West Brom quoted as saying Suarez dived well to win a pen when he was taken down clear as day, then you also had Fergie branding him a diver when he was asked a question about the ref, then all of a sudden you have refs giving him absolutely nothing as well, commentators kept on commenting about diving everytime he hit the deck, full on witch hunt.

Like I say this was all before the Evra incident, yet I cant think of many reasons why it was the case.

[mondatoo]

He supports the Quarter Pound of Rubbish!

Peter -  I agree with you that Suarez was already the most hated man in the prem before the Evra incident, I may be biased of course, But I felt he was definitely getting a raw deal, you had Scharner from West Brom quoted as saying Suarez dived well to win a pen when he was taken down clear as day, then you also had Fergie branding him a diver when he was asked a question about the ref, then all of a sudden you have refs giving him absolutely nothing as well, commentators kept on commenting about diving everytime he hit the deck, full on witch hunt.

Like I say this was all before the Evra incident, yet I cant think of many reasons why it was the case.

I totally disagree, I didn't even realise that was an issue pre Evra. Most people seemed to like him as he has some mad skillz.

As for reasons why some might not like him, there was the carry on with the handball in the World Cup but I never really got all the comotion about that as I'm pretty sure if it was someone's own player for there own team they'd be more likely to lable him a hero than a cheat. Guess the biting issue could piss people off, don't know anything about that but doesn't sound great.