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« Reply #8910 on: July 13, 2014, 03:12:42 PM »

I have no agenda in the slightest.  I don't support a football team as such so there is no agenda with being a Liverpool 'hater' just to clear that up.  The only two teams i could have claimed to 'support' during my life are clubs local to where i have lived for most of my life.  I grew up in Leicestershire as a kid as was a Leicester season ticket holder for 10 years in the 80s during some of the bleakest years in their history.  Then i moved to Stoke to work for bet365 and have probably become a stoke fan since 2001 mainly because all my mates are season ticket holders and i have been to more Stoke games in the past 13 years than any other team other than Manure (corporate jollies with betfair the only reason i have been to manure before you start claiming that's why i hate Liverpool).

With football i just deal with statistical facts as i use football more as a way to make money betting than to blindly follow a team off a cliff and not be able to see the wood for the trees like 99% of fans do of their club.

Most of the stuff i state is fact.  You are not an elite football club at world level as elite clubs are in the Champions League every season without fail (look at your recent big money signings - Torres/Carroll/Henderson/Downing/Suar).  You are a stepping stone club for the biggest players in the world (Torres/Suar are proof of this in the last 10 years no other players Liverpool have had could claim to be in that group and both have left Liverpool in the absolute prime to join bigger clubs. Going back further the same applied to Owen).  Only Gerrard's incredible loyalty to the city he grew up in stopped him leaving for Chelski 10 years ago.  In the last 15 years these 4 players are the only players Liverpool have had who were without doubt world class. (3 left in their prime for bigger clubs and Gerrard stayed) therefore i would be pretty safe to say Liverpool are a stepping stone club for world class players. Again that is fact not open to opinion.  You are odds on to not be in the Champions League in 2015/16.  Again this is fact.  You have a stadium 20/30k smaller than the vast majority of the elite clubs in the world which puts the club even further behind financially.  Again this is fact.

Happy as a troll to discuss with the scousers why any of the above facts/opinions are not true.
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« Reply #8911 on: July 13, 2014, 03:18:50 PM »

IMHO Liverpool will still be ahead on Man U in epl next season dispite Man U not being in ECL

Happy to bet pretty much any amount on Manure finishing above Liverpool next season if any of the scousers want a bet.
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« Reply #8912 on: July 13, 2014, 03:19:38 PM »

IMHO Liverpool will still be ahead on Man U in epl next season dispite Man U not being in ECL

This actually assures me that I'm right. Thanks iron
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« Reply #8913 on: July 13, 2014, 03:24:06 PM »

IMHO Liverpool will still be ahead on Man U in epl next season dispite Man U not being in ECL

This actually assures me that I'm right. Thanks iron
your welcome everything is a matter of opinions at the moment after all final squads are just pure speculations still
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« Reply #8914 on: July 13, 2014, 03:25:50 PM »

Think betfair prices have moved after your post
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« Reply #8915 on: July 13, 2014, 03:28:35 PM »

IMHO Liverpool will still be ahead on Man U in epl next season dispite Man U not being in ECL

Happy to bet pretty much any amount on Manure finishing above Liverpool next season if any of the scousers want a bet.

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« Reply #8916 on: July 13, 2014, 03:30:49 PM »

IMHO Liverpool will still be ahead on Man U in epl next season dispite Man U not being in ECL

Happy to bet pretty much any amount on Manure finishing above Liverpool next season if any of the scousers want a bet.

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I am waiting.  Just let me know how much each of you wants and we can strike a bet.  If Liverpool are the elite club people here calling me a troll think they are they will easily finish above a team who have sacked their manager and failed to make the Champions League surely?Huh??
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« Reply #8917 on: July 13, 2014, 03:34:05 PM »

IMHO Liverpool will still be ahead on Man U in epl next season dispite Man U not being in ECL

Happy to bet pretty much any amount on Manure finishing above Liverpool next season if any of the scousers want a bet.

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I am waiting.  Just let me know how much each of you wants and we can strike a bet.  If Liverpool are the elite club people here calling me a troll think they are they will easily finish above a team who have sacked their manager and failed to make the Champions League surely?Huh??

Very good with the attempt to entice with the above. It is precisly these 2 reasons why you think they will! But very funny though.
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« Reply #8918 on: July 13, 2014, 05:01:09 PM »

I have no agenda in the slightest.  I don't support a football team as such so there is no agenda with being a Liverpool 'hater' just to clear that up.  The only two teams i could have claimed to 'support' during my life are clubs local to where i have lived for most of my life.  I grew up in Leicestershire as a kid as was a Leicester season ticket holder for 10 years in the 80s during some of the bleakest years in their history.  Then i moved to Stoke to work for bet365 and have probably become a stoke fan since 2001 mainly because all my mates are season ticket holders and i have been to more Stoke games in the past 13 years than any other team other than Manure (corporate jollies with betfair the only reason i have been to manure before you start claiming that's why i hate Liverpool).

With football i just deal with statistical facts as i use football more as a way to make money betting than to blindly follow a team off a cliff and not be able to see the wood for the trees like 99% of fans do of their club.

Most of the stuff i state is fact.  You are not an elite football club at world level as elite clubs are in the Champions League every season without fail (look at your recent big money signings - Torres/Carroll/Henderson/Downing/Suar).  You are a stepping stone club for the biggest players in the world (Torres/Suar are proof of this in the last 10 years no other players Liverpool have had could claim to be in that group and both have left Liverpool in the absolute prime to join bigger clubs. Going back further the same applied to Owen).  Only Gerrard's incredible loyalty to the city he grew up in stopped him leaving for Chelski 10 years ago.  In the last 15 years these 4 players are the only players Liverpool have had who were without doubt world class. (3 left in their prime for bigger clubs and Gerrard stayed) therefore i would be pretty safe to say Liverpool are a stepping stone club for world class players. Again that is fact not open to opinion.  You are odds on to not be in the Champions League in 2015/16.  Again this is fact.  You have a stadium 20/30k smaller than the vast majority of the elite clubs in the world which puts the club even further behind financially.  Again this is fact.

Happy as a troll to discuss with the scousers why any of the above facts/opinions are not true.

Happy with this but let's be clear that your opinion (nor mine) is fact.
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« Reply #8919 on: July 13, 2014, 05:04:51 PM »

they are not my opinions they are facts.  But as you quite rightly say my opinion is fact!  I am sure you meant to type that my opinion isn't fact rather than what you actually typed!
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« Reply #8920 on: July 13, 2014, 05:22:39 PM »

It's going to be interesting to see how the Suarez money is invested.

Lots of talk on Twitter about Liverpool being in talks with Reus. Probably just another rumour with nothing to substantiate it, but he'd be an ideal signing to play behind Sturridge (and also has the ability to play wide on either side).  Not going to get excited about rumours like this, but would be very excited if it actually came to fruition.

Markovic meant to be completing his signing imminently. Was supposed to be flying in to Liverpool this weekend. He's another exciting signing, but still feel Liverpool need a Reus-type player to play off Sturridge.

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« Reply #8921 on: July 13, 2014, 05:25:48 PM »

With football i just deal with statistical facts as i use football more as a way to make money betting than to blindly follow a team off a cliff and not be able to see the wood for the trees like 99% of fans do of their club.

Most of the stuff i state is fact.  You are not an elite football club at world level as elite clubs are in the Champions League every season without fail (look at your recent big money signings - Torres/Carroll/Henderson/Downing/Suar).  You are a stepping stone club for the biggest players in the world (Torres/Suar are proof of this in the last 10 years no other players Liverpool have had could claim to be in that group and both have left Liverpool in the absolute prime to join bigger clubs. Going back further the same applied to Owen).  Only Gerrard's incredible loyalty to the city he grew up in stopped him leaving for Chelski 10 years ago.  In the last 15 years these 4 players are the only players Liverpool have had who were without doubt world class. (3 left in their prime for bigger clubs and Gerrard stayed) therefore i would be pretty safe to say Liverpool are a stepping stone club for world class players. Again that is fact not open to opinion.  You are odds on to not be in the Champions League in 2015/16.  Again this is fact.  You have a stadium 20/30k smaller than the vast majority of the elite clubs in the world which puts the club even further behind financially.  Again this is fact.

Happy as a troll to discuss with the scousers why any of the above facts/opinions are not true.

This is finally getting to some decent discussion instead of brainless baiting.

Owen loves(d) Liverpool. He is(was) a Liverpool fan, I'm not sure he was there from his youth as he saw it as a way to get to Madrid. Dropping Owen into this argument may look like a "fact" but the reality is he would have gone to maybe one club in the world at that time. Not quite so strong a "fact" really is it? It's lazy tbh.

Suarez went to Barcelona. I think most clubs accept, if you sign a potentially worldie South American/Spanish player (or Portugese in Utd's case) they will want to go to Spain at some stage to one of the big two.

Torres left a club that had been selling for 2-3 years and had almost gone bankrupt. He would have gone almost anywhere with a shot at the CL at that time. He was a Liverpool follower in Spain. Unfortunately for him he joined us during the darkest time in the club's history. I don't think he thought "I'll go to Liverpool to go to Chelsea"? Again very thin. IF Rooney goes to Chelsea last year would you argue Utd are smaller than Chelsea LOL!? I find your logic baffling.

FWIW both Owen and Torres were sold at the correct time. At 27 Suarez will not get better as a footballer. He will do well to run as well as he did last season. It's still a good signing for them but I am not unhappy at the sale.

Your argument isn't really statistics is it, it's boiled down to a few players leaving Liverpool (all totally explainable and actually good moves) and our stadium size. Oh and we bought badly so we're smaller than everyone else. I can happily argue by your logic that any club in England right now is essentially smaller than another European giant. That wouldn't make it fact though would it.

I'm happy to accept Liverpool aren't the strongest club in Europe this year (pretty logical) and also that top 4 will be us running well, but again when you say "I think (insert major statement derogatory about Liverpool)" then back it up with "you bought Downing and sold Torres to Chelsea and your stadium is 45,000 so you're screwed" well.... good luck with that.

IMHO Rodgers was the best signing we made this summer. The squad will be stronger and we've secured a guaranteed squad improvement on top of stadium improvement for the next few years thanks to this sale. We have one of the best owners and businessmen in the game. We're in the champions league. Commercial revenues were up hugely before this and they will keep growing. TV revenue was the highest in the league last year, people want to watch us over every other club. Anyone who thinks Liverpool are not in good shape are losing the plot a little, in my opinion of course.
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« Reply #8922 on: July 13, 2014, 05:26:33 PM »

they are not my opinions they are facts.  But as you quite rightly say my opinion is fact!  I am sure you meant to type that my opinion isn't fact rather than what you actually typed!

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« Reply #8923 on: July 13, 2014, 05:43:55 PM »

Football clubs are always evolving and Liverpool have a lot of capital to invest so they have a great opportunity right now. If they get it right they can definitely become stronger after Suarez. I would use that money to do the exact opposite of Tottenham Hotspur.

I think the lure and mystique of playing for Liverpool at Anfield will never lose it's appeal to the vast majority of players in world football. And that's a fact. Sure the very cream of the crop will go to Barca and Real but there's more than enough ammo out there to build a winning combo of world class players. Atletico trumped both those sides across a full season of games and did rather well in Europe last year.   
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« Reply #8924 on: July 13, 2014, 05:49:56 PM »

Marco Reus must be a very long shot to move out of Germany to Liverpool in next two years btw.
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