Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

fold/shove pre ffs.

Damn you laddo. Because I'm sure you are right. I just could not pull the trigger. But he Calls, I think - not that that makes my play right, of course. I dithered for an age - too long to Push, & I was just thinking, "he's making a fool of me, I look so weak". Am so weak, even.

[NoflopsHomer]

We start the three-handed play - we are playing for £4k, a lovely Trophy, & a Champion of Champions Seat. I can't play the C-of-C thing, I'm working that day, so that does not enter my thinking.

Marc is far & away the best player of the three, the Laddo just "plays hands", & I'm, well, you know, Passive Percy.

Marc does the right thing, R. R, R. I need to do something. He nick's Laddo's BB every hand, & If I Button-Raise, Marc flats it, then bets out - & I miss every flop.

Marc Button-Raises again, 75k this time - I have  .

I dwell for ever. I sort of don't want to flat it, & dare not Push. But I can't keep Passing, ffs. So I get on my usual Fence, & ditheringly Call.

And we see this Flop.

 

Oh boy.....what to do.

I decide to bet 150k, & if Marc shoves, I'm calling anyway. But I hope he lets go - that's the whole purpose of betting here. He might Call with a singleton spade - so be it, I'll take that chance to bust him.

So I bet 150k, he shoves, OK, Call, on their backs.

I nearly throw up when I see his hand.

 

The spade missed, but the K Turned, & I'm Billy Low Stack again. Bollox.

By the bye, in chatting to Marc afterwards, & in good spirit, he said I played this hand terribly. His view was that I should check the Flop, & wait until a safe turn comes before betting - but my view is that if I check here, he Bets, & even if I RR now, he's pot-stuck, & has to Call. So I thought Betting out was best. Thoughts?

Stack sizes?

WP btw.

Thanks.

Not sure - Blinds 12k-24k, 1k RA, I had about 550k, Marc about 450k I guess. I'm not absolutely sure.

Then I agree with Rookie about pushing or folding.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

And if you HAVE to somehow for some unknown reason, that nobody knows and only one person would do, flat pre, then pls dont entice the shove from the FD with your bet.

Just Jam the damn flop if your reasoning is you want him to pass his spade!!

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Just because he probably would have called pre you cant say that flatting OOP for 1/6th of his stack and around 1/8th of your's works well.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Now, Key Hand 1.

Just how lucky did I get here? I don't know the odds, but I was extraordinarily lucky to win this, & that's despite - arguably - a shocking play by me.

I Raise to 900, UTG with  , & it's no surprise to get looked up by Woodley, we've been tussling a lot. He has the same hand as me, off-suit, including one diamond.

It comes....

 

Woodley does some theatricals, & a bunch of speech play. Then moves ALL-IN, for 5k more. Hmm.

Well, I have 15k (average is 8.5k), I'm catching cards for fun, & Woodley does a big speech-play job on me. I'm on serious dwellage here - he could do this with air. A crowd gathers round the table, the speech-play gets hilarious - "hurry up straw-head, your nurse will be here soon". Bugger it, I have an up & down, top end, & two overs, either or both of which may be dead outs. CALL. And, incredibly - it's amazing how ONE card can change a hand so - but a Heart turned, to give me the Freeroll flush draw. And another heart Rivered, & Woodley is busto. Well played you ****, says The Man, with, as ever, a broad smile. If a Diamond had Turned, HE would be on the Frereoll!

How lucky was that? As to my Call - probably a bad call, I think most might suggest. But I just had messing about chips, & was hitting.

Tbh, I think you slowrolled him here.

[NoflopsHomer]

fold/shove pre ffs.

Damn you laddo. Because I'm sure you are right. I just could not pull the trigger. But he Calls, I think - not that that makes my play right, of course. I dithered for an age - too long to Push, & I was just thinking, "he's making a fool of me, I look so weak". Am so weak, even.

He folds a lot of his range vs you. I think when you pick up something like J-T where it's moderately marginal you have to make a decision within a minute just because you're right, you do look weak if you take too long. Think long, think wrong etc...

I even think he might fold K-Q vs you here.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

At 10 x BB, I still have a RR in me.

I LOL'd

[tikay]

And if you HAVE to somehow for some unknown reason, that nobody knows and only one person would do, flat pre, then pls dont entice the shove from the FD with your bet.

Just Jam the damn flop if your reasoning is you want him to pass his spade!!

Well I think the error starts pre, when, for the reasons explained, I flatted him.

After that Flop, it sort of plays itself, whatever I do. My self-annoyance is down to the pre-flop ditheryness. The beauty of No-Limit - one bad play & it's all over.

Bugger.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

And if you HAVE to somehow for some unknown reason, that nobody knows and only one person would do, flat pre, then pls dont entice the shove from the FD with your bet.

Just Jam the damn flop if your reasoning is you want him to pass his spade!!

Well I think the error starts pre, when, for the reasons explained, I flatted him.

After that Flop, it sort of plays itself, whatever I do. My self-annoyance is down to the pre-flop ditheryness. The beauty of No-Limit - one bad play & it's all over.

Bugger.

Yeah once you start dithering about you have to pass.

The thing is, just tanking it sometimes and then passing may slow a player down next time he thinks about raising.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

And I agree you both get it in on that flop regardless, BUT...

When you say you bet to make FD fold, you ask for a jam here from the FD. He is never folding anything better here and is putting it in with all FD's. The only way you might possibly get the bare As off is jamming. But even thats unlikely..

[tikay]

At 10 x BB, I still have a RR in me.

I LOL'd

Lol all you like - I'll always play that way. 10 x BB is too soon - for me. Plenty of play left yet.  I won't change my view on this, it's just how I play. Many a Tourney has been thrown away by shoving too soon - just as many as by leaving it too long. It' a balance thing, but that's how I play.

[tikay]

And I agree you both get it in on that flop regardless, BUT...

When you say you bet to make FD fold, you ask for a jam here from the FD. He is never folding anything better here and is putting it in with all FD's. The only way you might possibly get the bare As off is jamming. But even thats unlikely..

Agreed - I just got my head in a mess at the time. Glory beckoned, but I managed to salvage defeat. Easily, actually.

[tikay]

fold/shove pre ffs.

Damn you laddo. Because I'm sure you are right. I just could not pull the trigger. But he Calls, I think - not that that makes my play right, of course. I dithered for an age - too long to Push, & I was just thinking, "he's making a fool of me, I look so weak". Am so weak, even.

He folds a lot of his range vs you. I think when you pick up something like J-T where it's moderately marginal you have to make a decision within a minute just because you're right, you do look weak if you take too long. Think long, think wrong etc...

I even think he might fold K-Q vs you here.

So true - and it looks weak, too.

[tikay]

And if you HAVE to somehow for some unknown reason, that nobody knows and only one person would do, flat pre, then pls dont entice the shove from the FD with your bet.

Just Jam the damn flop if your reasoning is you want him to pass his spade!!

Well I think the error starts pre, when, for the reasons explained, I flatted him.

After that Flop, it sort of plays itself, whatever I do. My self-annoyance is down to the pre-flop ditheryness. The beauty of No-Limit - one bad play & it's all over.

Bugger.

Yeah once you start dithering about you have to pass.

The thing is, just tanking it sometimes and then passing may slow a player down next time he thinks about raising.

100% agreed there.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

At 10 x BB, I still have a RR in me.

I LOL'd

Lol all you like - I'll always play that way. 10 x BB is too soon - for me. Plenty of play left yet.  I won't change my view on this, it's just how I play. Many a Tourney has been thrown away by shoving too soon - just as many as by leaving it too long. It' a balance thing, but that's how I play.

I'm not lol'ing at 10bb being too soon. I am laughing at you having a r/r left in you at 10bb's!! I mean, how often does a numbnut makes it 3x and folds to your near 10x shove?

I agree that you don't have to shove at 10x and have found myself grinding off 6/7 many a time.