Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[bolt pp]

I think we all agree it was "sick".

My point is "sick" stuff gets Posted, (even if, in this case, there is some doubt that the Poster knew of the accident) but it sorta gets shrugged off. Why, where's the noise?

Jade Goody is another case in point. I fly no flag for her at all, but Christ, she's dying of cancer, & she's become on object of derision. Surely a time comes when human decency says "hold up, this is off limits"?

an object of derision

not on this forum you're not talking about?

[gatso]

why was the joke not removed while the will smith comment went within minutes?

[tikay]

The Times have changed their senior Football reporters, but it remains, by a mile, the best newspaper for football news & reviews.

Referring to a foot injury which will keep Joey Barton out for a few months, they, deadpan, slipped this in - "...Joey Barton has broken a bone in his foot, & will be out for 8 weeks. It's what is known as a karma injury".

[tikay]

why was the joke not removed while the will smith comment went within minutes?

I don't know. I think we got it wrong, & should have (or still should) pulled it, but that's just my personal view, not that of the Mods as a whole.

Again, there was no real comment about it, that I recall, maybe one adverse comment, so maybe we just missed it at the time. Nobody reported it to the Mods. Personally, I never read "joke threads". They rarely deliver, or do what it says on the tin, because  humour is so subjective.

[gatso]

Personally, I never read "joke threads". They rarely deliver, or do what it says on the tin, because  humour is so subjective.

lol, you're not wrong. the non sick jokes were appallingly bad

[action man]

if people write sick jokes, then the punishment is them knowing that they have written such filth and surely they will be embarrased in the future.
If they don''t know how offensive the jokes are then they don't need any punishment, their own life is punishment enough.

[Dingdell]

I think we all agree it was "sick".

My point is "sick" stuff gets Posted, (even if, in this case, there is some doubt that the Poster knew of the accident) but it sorta gets shrugged off. Why, where's the noise?

Jade Goody is another case in point. I fly no flag for her at all, but Christ, she's dying of cancer, & she's become on object of derision. Surely a time comes when human decency says "hold up, this is off limits"?

an object of derision

not on this forum you're not talking about?

She has been in the past.

Her treatment now consists of prolonging rather than saving her life unless a miracle happens. She has 2 young children. Misdiagnosed for over three years. It's tragic.

[MANTIS01]

If ever we could get all the Shareholders - me included, it has to be said - facing the same way, it'd be heaven. In fact, it's probably only me facing the wrong way.

Put an arm around their shoulders and gently turn them to face your direction all cooey wooey like imo.

[boldie]

If ever we could get all the Shareholders - me included, it has to be said - facing the same way, it'd be heaven. In fact, it's probably only me facing the wrong way.

Put an arm around their shoulders and gently turn them to face your direction all cooey wooey like imo.

...top man, Mantis.

[bolt pp]

I think we all agree it was "sick".

My point is "sick" stuff gets Posted, (even if, in this case, there is some doubt that the Poster knew of the accident) but it sorta gets shrugged off. Why, where's the noise?

Jade Goody is another case in point. I fly no flag for her at all, but Christ, she's dying of cancer, & she's become on object of derision. Surely a time comes when human decency says "hold up, this is off limits"?

an object of derision

not on this forum you're not talking about?

She has been in the past.

Her treatment now consists of prolonging rather than saving her life unless a miracle happens. She has 2 young children. Misdiagnosed for over three years. It's tragic.

yeah but we didnt know she was going to get cancer? so we can never give anyone a rubdown in case they get sick in the future?

I bumped that thread cos i felt really bad, not just about that thread but about how much i found myself disliking her which, for me, was a very starange sensation given that i'm completely indifferent to all celebrities and people in the public eye, i dont wish harm on anyone but outside of my family and close circle of friends i dont really give a fuck about what people are doing and what happends to them, too busy usually to worry about shit like that, when princess Di i couldn't give less of a fuck, i didnt know her, the next weekend when it was her funeral me and my pal took two girls to margate and it was blinding, the beach was empty, everyone was watching the funeral on the t.v.

the point i'm making is that it's so easy to make these comments but it's infrequent that i'll mean them or care, but in this instance i did, i developed a huge dislike for her when that whole BB thing was going on and i found it to be so foreign for me, actively disliking someone, with such a passion as well, who i didnt even know.

The remorse and guilt i felt, for how much i had loathed her, when i found out about her not being able to beat the cancer was overwhelming, i felt i wanted her career to fuck up and bad things to happen(obv not on that level) and i was so surprised how that made me feel the other day when i saw on the news that she wasn't going to get better, i didnt know why i felt so bad or if others felt the same way, so i bumped the thread where people had dug her out(not even dug her out really, there wasnt even that many personal attacks about her on it, just a play on words joke) to see if it was just me feeling this way, if the disposable comments we'd all left were now coming back to haunt anyone else, i was enthused to see that people seemed to feel the same way as me, embarrassed, upset and full of humility, i thought it was reassuring to see that people were happy to hold there hands up with a level of responsibility that usually isnt seen on the internet(people usually say there things then chicken shit off and turn their computer off if theyre wrong) and i thought that i was not just the specifics of her case but the more broader concept of how easily we make these comments and judge people using this particular format and never have to face up to what we say.

but obv people didnt even bother to read any of that, or even when the thread was started(years ago) and just moaned to the mods about how it's probably bad cos shes dying etc etc, whereas if theyd taken the time to read it, why i bumped it and what had been said subsequently theyd of seen the point of the thread was contrition and debate, as emotive as it was if people had bothered to see the point of the bump it wouldve continued, i'm sure, as it started, an introspective look at how what we say over the internet not only impacts upon the subject potentially but ourselves.

I felt strongly about that and it was the first serious post i'd made on here in a while, i really wanted to get the thoughts of others on the subject, but no, everyones too busy getting offended at absolutely nothing because they cant be bothered to read the date of the thread of where it had gone, taking that down was fucking ridiculous and a joke. 

[RED-DOG]

It was the wrong time to be debating how much and why you dislike someone.

IMHO of course.

[turny]

I think we all agree it was "sick".

My point is "sick" stuff gets Posted, (even if, in this case, there is some doubt that the Poster knew of the accident) but it sorta gets shrugged off. Why, where's the noise?

Jade Goody is another case in point. I fly no flag for her at all, but Christ, she's dying of cancer, & she's become on object of derision. Surely a time comes when human decency says "hold up, this is off limits"?

an object of derision

not on this forum you're not talking about?

She has been in the past.

Her treatment now consists of prolonging rather than saving her life unless a miracle happens. She has 2 young children. Misdiagnosed for over three years. It's tragic.

yeah but we didnt know she was going to get cancer? so we can never give anyone a rubdown in case they get sick in the future?

I bumped that thread cos i felt really bad, not just about that thread but about how much i found myself disliking her which, for me, was a very starange sensation given that i'm completely indifferent to all celebrities and people in the public eye, i dont wish harm on anyone but outside of my family and close circle of friends i dont really give a fuck about what people are doing and what happends to them, too busy usually to worry about shit like that, when princess Di i couldn't give less of a fuck, i didnt know her, the next weekend when it was her funeral me and my pal took two girls to margate and it was blinding, the beach was empty, everyone was watching the funeral on the t.v.

the point i'm making is that it's so easy to make these comments but it's infrequent that i'll mean them or care, but in this instance i did, i developed a huge dislike for her when that whole BB thing was going on and i found it to be so foreign for me, actively disliking someone, with such a passion as well, who i didnt even know.

The remorse and guilt i felt, for how much i had loathed her, when i found out about her not being able to beat the cancer was overwhelming, i felt i wanted her career to fuck up and bad things to happen(obv not on that level) and i was so surprised how that made me feel the other day when i saw on the news that she wasn't going to get better, i didnt know why i felt so bad or if others felt the same way, so i bumped the thread where people had dug her out(not even dug her out really, there wasnt even that many personal attacks about her on it, just a play on words joke) to see if it was just me feeling this way, if the disposable comments we'd all left were now coming back to haunt anyone else, i was enthused to see that people seemed to feel the same way as me, embarrassed, upset and full of humility, i thought it was reassuring to see that people were happy to hold there hands up with a level of responsibility that usually isnt seen on the internet(people usually say there things then chicken shit off and turn their computer off if theyre wrong) and i thought that i was not just the specifics of her case but the more broader concept of how easily we make these comments and judge people using this particular format and never have to face up to what we say.

but obv people didnt even bother to read any of that, or even when the thread was started(years ago) and just moaned to the mods about how it's probably bad cos shes dying etc etc, whereas if theyd taken the time to read it, why i bumped it and what had been said subsequently theyd of seen the point of the thread was contrition and debate, as emotive as it was if people had bothered to see the point of the bump it wouldve continued, i'm sure, as it started, an introspective look at how what we say over the internet not only impacts upon the subject potentially but ourselves.

I felt strongly about that and it was the first serious post i'd made on here in a while, i really wanted to get the thoughts of others on the subject, but no, everyones too busy getting offended at absolutely nothing because they cant be bothered to read the date of the thread of where it had gone, taking that down was fucking ridiculous and a joke. 

good post bolt imho of course to

[bolt pp]

It was the wrong time to be debating how much and why you dislike someone.

IMHO of course.

WHAT? what are you reading and where are you getting this from?

read what i posted when i bumped the thread, or read what i posted just then, when at all have i suggested it was about: "how much and why you dislike someone"?

jeez,

I of course agree if there was a thread debating: "how much and why you dislike" jade goody when it's just announced she probably wont ever recover then that would be terrible and woefully innapropriote, where on earth was that thread then? you must've read it on another forum because that's got nothing to do with any thread i bumped or post contained therein.(subsequent to the bump)

[MANTIS01]

The remorse and guilt i felt, for how much i had loathed her, when i found out about her not being able to beat the cancer was overwhelming

I think people feeling bad in retrospect is like being results orientated at cards. Let's say on a night out bloke A and bloke B both get drunk and knock some random guy out. The guy bloke A hits falls awkwardly and dies when his head smacks off the kerb. The guy bloke B hits is fine the next day. Now it's fair to say bloke A is gonna regret that punch. During his wasted days in prison I image he would regret that stupid punch a lot. On the other hand bloke B will probably never give his punch a 2nd thought. But the actions of bloke A and bloke B were identical. So in reality people regret their actions because of how it now makes them feel or how it affects them. Bolt now feels bad about past comments and doesn't like that feeling so looks for an answer. The answer is, if you don't punch someone you can't kill them. It doesn't really matter what happens to someone after you've done something bad it's the doing something bad at all which is important.

I think recognising the bad thing before you actually do the bad thing because you anticipate the hurt it can cause is the queen bee of a +EVlife strat. You can't regret the results if you anticipate the consequences properly. e.g. if bolt doesn't loathe people in the future he will never feel the need to rue the consequences of his thoughts. Love ftw imo.

[RED-DOG]

It was the wrong time to be debating how much and why you dislike someone.

IMHO of course.

WHAT? what are you reading and where are you getting this from?

read what i posted when i bumped the thread, or read what i posted just then, when at all have i suggested it was about: "how much and why you dislike someone"?

jeez,

I of course agree if there was a thread debating: "how much and why you dislike" jade goody when it's just announced she probably wont ever recover then that would be terrible and woefully innapropriote, where on earth was that thread then? you must've read it on another forum because that's got nothing to do with any thread i bumped or post contained therein.(subsequent to the bump)

I was refering to this

thats a serious question i'm not digging you out or trying to put you on the spot but i fucking hated her during that race row stuff, not because i thought it was racist just i know a few girls like that that are absolute idiots and i thought she was so insidious in how she presented herself as being naive to cheat people and keep her persona going and when it all came out on BB i was glad people got to see the real her, i thought she was a real bitch and i usually dont give a fuck about celebrities which was strange to me how much i found myself disliking her.


I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that those words could invite a debate about how much you hated her and why you hated her.