Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Maxriddles]

amazing coincidence that the age and gender of the deceased was spot on considering the poster was unaware of the incident

gender not a coincidence as the joke only works if it's a female

I actually thought the joke was quite funny but then I had no idea there had been a genuine accident until maureen posted her reply

it's here flushy

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=39962.msg896238#msg896238

Sorry if i have caused unrest. But all I did was express distaste on a post. Normally if I am not interested in a thread I do not bother reading it so no need to post a negative response on it. But a joke thread, I thought that would lighten the load so to speak, NO it just made light of what can only be described as a families worst nightmare.

I stand by my guns and repeat Sick IMHO.

Nothing to be sorry for IMO, you spoke the truth and it's to your credit. It's sad that so many posts were made after it without someone else saying so. I never looked at the thread at the time and I'm surprised the post is still there, very inappropriate and distasteful.

If it was a remarkable and unfortunate coincidence why not edit the post, take out the offending "joke" and replace with an apology/explanation for what had been there previously rather than add a reply later the same day saying they hadn't heard at the time of the original post.


 

[bolt pp]

It was the wrong time to be debating how much and why you dislike someone.

IMHO of course.

WHAT? what are you reading and where are you getting this from?

read what i posted when i bumped the thread, or read what i posted just then, when at all have i suggested it was about: "how much and why you dislike someone"?

jeez,

I of course agree if there was a thread debating: "how much and why you dislike" jade goody when it's just announced she probably wont ever recover then that would be terrible and woefully innapropriote, where on earth was that thread then? you must've read it on another forum because that's got nothing to do with any thread i bumped or post contained therein.(subsequent to the bump)

I was refering to this

thats a serious question i'm not digging you out or trying to put you on the spot but i fucking hated her during that race row stuff, not because i thought it was racist just i know a few girls like that that are absolute idiots and i thought she was so insidious in how she presented herself as being naive to cheat people and keep her persona going and when it all came out on BB i was glad people got to see the real her, i thought she was a real bitch and i usually dont give a fuck about celebrities which was strange to me how much i found myself disliking her.


I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that those words could invite a debate about how much you hated her and why you hated her.

yeah if people stopped reading where you've cut it off and chose not to read the question that also prefixed that?

maybe you dont have us much faith in the forum as i do that people would NOT chose to debate how much they hated her in light of what happend but stick to debating the question i asked(the question you've chose to leave out of that paste job).

As far as i'm aware there hadnt been any posts that were along the lines of: "i dont give a fuck, she's still a bitch" whilst i was still reading the thread, in fact as i suggested it was quite the opposite, there was a succession of posts that mirrored what i was feeling and showed the same level of compunction, in which maybe we all found a little bit of solace.

but like i say, you anticipating that particular excerpts of what i wrote could be used as a platform for people to articulate the most deplorable and ill timed insults is probably more indicative of your lack of faith in fellow blondes than anything else.

I also imagine that without fully investigating my motives for the bump, what the thread contained and where the thread was going, you argued ardently in the mods room to have the thread removed, which is why you're now trying to justyfy your decission so verhemently.

all IMO obv.

[RED-DOG]

but like i say, you anticipating that particular excerpts of what i wrote could be used as a platform for people to articulate the most deplorable and ill timed insults is probably more indicative of your lack of faith in fellow blondes than anything else.

I didn't say that at all, I said it could invite debate as to why you hated her so much.


I also imagine that without fully investigating my motives for the bump, what the thread contained and where the thread was going, you argued ardently in the mods room to have the thread removed, which is why you're now trying to justyfy your decission so verhemently.

I didn't argue, not one word, for the thread to be removed, so I'm afraid your imagination is working overtime.


which is why you're now trying to justyfy your decission so verhemently.


It wasn't my decision (although, as it happens, I agree with it) and I'm not doing anything vehemently, I'm stating my opinion, which happens to differ from yours.

[Dingdell]

I suppose what I find interesting is that someone can feel an emotion such as hate for a person they have never known in real life, just basing it on what we don't know is or isn't fact from the media.

For example;
If a court case was proven and a person had been convicted of a crime you find dreadful then hate could be justified but to hate someone based on media evidence is something I find difficult to understand.

To feel indifference or amazement at antics if they are true (and we dont know whether they are) I could understand but hate means to me an emotion that is so much stronger. Hate attaches bad feeling to it, directed towards some one who may not be hateful at all. I would find it difficult to hate anyone without just cause.

I could only hate someone who has personally caused me or my family harm. For example we have to assume that the evidence on Adolf Hitler means that he caused the deaths of many innocent people, yet I don't hate him - but I am staggered by what happened.

I think what I'm trying to say is that hate is a personal emotion, and unless you can apply it with personal experience of that person I don't understand how it can be felt.

How can someone hate Jade Goody when they have never met her? What solid information would someone have to base their opinion on. I've worked in the national media and I could write a piece three times and, using the same information in each, could make three different people the heros or villains of the piece. We are so manipulated by the media.

[madasahatstand]

Why did we just accept it? It was nothing short of gross.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm always weary of speaking my mind on such issues as I was kind of riduculed once for being offended by something   The way I see it is if the majority find something out of line, then someone else will say something. 

I remeber that time Claire and it doesn't feel very good when it happens. I have experienced it too as you know and its very interesting in psychological terms that if you don't go along with the majority, then you must have a problem.

Tikay, I don't think the issue/attitudes have suddenly appeared, they have grown in line with general society norms and it's nothing to do with age either (although in days gone by the general population had more respect for each other and didnt acccept the behaviours you outline in your post).

I think peoples view of respect have changed. It's more acceptable to respect individuals/groups for favour reasons before you respect your own principles. Some people have lost a sense of their own principles or never really had them in the first place and some in that situation are easy to criticise 'for a laugh' or because views of others directly compromise their own stance. It's a very interesting subject.

I'm glad to say (and to cheer you up) that people are, on the whole,  good and set off to do the right thing. Its easy to get caught up in the moment and behave like a pratt but fundamentally people are actually okay. Its when certain behaviours are reinforced by groups, things can look a bit discoloured and a sense of self and responsibility is lost.

[boldie]

I reckon that the phenomenon of Jade Goody is a prime example of one of the things that's wrong with society as a whole.
I thoroughly dislike what she represents; Todays fame obsessed culture in which people without talent make fools out of themselves so they can become as rich and famous as possible. As long as you get on telly and have Mr Clifford in your corner you'll be a millionaire...simply because you were once on an idiotic "reality TV show".
If you then show your true colours on that same medium and you're exposed as nothing more than an ignorant racist...screw it, you milk it some more and make some more cash out of it.

I don't hate Jade Goody...don't even know the girl, and sure don't wish this nasty disease on her. But I do hate what she represents and I reckon there's nothing wrong with hating that.

[tikay]

I suppose what I find interesting is that someone can feel an emotion such as hate for a person they have never known in real life, just basing it on what we don't know is or isn't fact from the media.

For example;
If a court case was proven and a person had been convicted of a crime you find dreadful then hate could be justified but to hate someone based on media evidence is something I find difficult to understand.

To feel indifference or amazement at antics if they are true (and we dont know whether they are) I could understand but hate means to me an emotion that is so much stronger. Hate attaches bad feeling to it, directed towards some one who may not be hateful at all. I would find it difficult to hate anyone without just cause.

I could only hate someone who has personally caused me or my family harm. For example we have to assume that the evidence on Adolf Hitler means that he caused the deaths of many innocent people, yet I don't hate him - but I am staggered by what happened.

I think what I'm trying to say is that hate is a personal emotion, and unless you can apply it with personal experience of that person I don't understand how it can be felt.

How can someone hate Jade Goody when they have never met her? What solid information would someone have to base their opinion on. I've worked in the national media and I could write a piece three times and, using the same information in each, could make three different people the heros or villains of the piece. We are so manipulated by the media.

This I like.

We - society, in 2009 - hate too easily, hate has become commonplace, we are quick to hate. Hate is a vile & destructive emotion, especially when it's based on 3rd hand knowledge of an individual.

I really don't know why it's become so fashionable to hate, or why we now hate so easily. Every day I even see it in relation to poker - how many trimes have you seen "I hate poker" after some irrelevant poker beat?

I don't know Jade. I dislike the image she seemed to represent in BB & the aftermath. But there's a huge gulf between disliking the media image, & hate for her.

Anyway, my point was, all sorts of horrible stuff crept on here last week, ("niggers", sledging accident) & I was quite surprised at the apathy & ambivelance towards it. When we stop caring about these things, we are on a very slippery slope.

An old Skool perspective, I suppose, & admit.

It's not exactly been the best of weeks, one way & another.

More sunshine & showers.

[tikay]

Why did we just accept it? It was nothing short of gross.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm always weary of speaking my mind on such issues as I was kind of riduculed once for being offended by something   The way I see it is if the majority find something out of line, then someone else will say something. 

I remeber that time Claire and it doesn't feel very good when it happens. I have experienced it too as you know and its very interesting in psychological terms that if you don't go along with the majority, then you must have a problem.

Tikay, I don't think the issue/attitudes have suddenly appeared, they have grown in line with general society norms and it's nothing to do with age either (although in days gone by the general population had more respect for each other and didnt acccept the behaviours you outline in your post).

I think peoples view of respect have changed. It's more acceptable to respect individuals/groups for favour reasons before you respect your own principles. Some people have lost a sense of their own principles or never really had them in the first place and some in that situation are easy to criticise 'for a laugh' or because views of others directly compromise their own stance. It's a very interesting subject.

I'm glad to say (and to cheer you up) that people are, on the whole,  good and set off to do the right thing. Its easy to get caught up in the moment and behave like a pratt but fundamentally people are actually okay. Its when certain behaviours are reinforced by groups, things can look a bit discoloured and a sense of self and responsibility is lost.

No, I think you are right, these have not just suddenly appeared. I'm a little less ebullient about life than normal this week, for this reason & that, & so I suppose I noticed more readily.

But yes, people on the whole are good. The really interesting point you make, though, is about the behaviour of "groups" of people. That's a very weird phenomonen indeed, & one that fascinates & scares me.  For instance, teenage lads, in a car, drive so differently when their mates are in the car. And "kidz" are always ready to insult when they are mob-handed. Solo, no way, nice as pie. As a group, it's cool to laugh at the misfortunes of others.

[tikay]

If ever we could get all the Shareholders - me included, it has to be said - facing the same way, it'd be heaven. In fact, it's probably only me facing the wrong way.

Put an arm around their shoulders and gently turn them to face your direction all cooey wooey like imo.

Lol, nice one. I wish.

We just see things differently. I'm not finger-pointing, or apportioning blame, you note.

[tikay]

One's personal Bucket List needs to include some stiff targets, some optimism, some stuff that would be a stretch to achieve. No point just listing easy things.

But it also needs to be realistic, so I've amended mine this morning. I've waited 10 years to achieve one particular "tick", & I thought I would be able to tick if off once yesterday had arrived, because I was utterly confident it would be achieved.

[  ] In my lifetime, Walsall Grosvenor will - just once - get a Tourney away on time.

They have great dealers, well organised, da de da, but start a Tourney there on time? I give up.

Room for another item on the bucket list them. Suggestions welcome.

[tikay]

Mantis - you coming to Walsall tonight? They have a GUKPT Super-Sat (£30 rebuy), 2 seats guaranteed. Please say Hi if you do, I'd like to have 5 mins. The Super-Sat is due to start at 6pm. Make that 6.45 then.

[MANTIS01]

Mantis - you coming to Walsall tonight? They have a GUKPT Super-Sat (£30 rebuy), 2 seats guaranteed. Please say Hi if you do, I'd like to have 5 mins. The Super-Sat is due to start at 6pm. Make that 6.45 then.

Ya. ok.

[tikay]

Mantis - you coming to Walsall tonight? They have a GUKPT Super-Sat (£30 rebuy), 2 seats guaranteed. Please say Hi if you do, I'd like to have 5 mins. The Super-Sat is due to start at 6pm. Make that 6.45 then.

Ya. ok.

Brevity does not suit you.

[bolt pp]

I suppose what I find interesting is that someone can feel an emotion such as hate for a person they have never known in real life, just basing it on what we don't know is or isn't fact from the media.

For example;
If a court case was proven and a person had been convicted of a crime you find dreadful then hate could be justified but to hate someone based on media evidence is something I find difficult to understand.

To feel indifference or amazement at antics if they are true (and we dont know whether they are) I could understand but hate means to me an emotion that is so much stronger. Hate attaches bad feeling to it, directed towards some one who may not be hateful at all. I would find it difficult to hate anyone without just cause.

I could only hate someone who has personally caused me or my family harm. For example we have to assume that the evidence on Adolf Hitler means that he caused the deaths of many innocent people, yet I don't hate him - but I am staggered by what happened.

I think what I'm trying to say is that hate is a personal emotion, and unless you can apply it with personal experience of that person I don't understand how it can be felt.

How can someone hate Jade Goody when they have never met her? What solid information would someone have to base their opinion on. I've worked in the national media and I could write a piece three times and, using the same information in each, could make three different people the heros or villains of the piece. We are so manipulated by the media.

exactly

all of this you've just said is exactly what i wanted to debate when i bumped the thread, why was it this particular case about which i felt so stringly, how could i have such deep feelings about someone i'd never met? and more so because of how apathetic i am to such things.

this is the kind of response i was looking for on that thread when i bumped it and asked these questions, and  started to get similar responses before it was removed.

didnt get the chance though, the thread was removed lively and no one even told me and that was the end of that.

[ ]  gg wp

[77dave]

Tikay, did you ever watch the DVD?