Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

My views on staking are completely the opposite and one off staking arrangements are really not for me. It is a bit of a gamble really and has massive variance, not to mention the ridic mark ups people make on these things.
Whereas long term staking deals, assuming you get the right horse can be very profitable and as long you get the first bit right, very +ev.

To pick up an early point, if you do your research properly online you can find out some very interesting stuff about a potential stakee that just simply isn't possible with live players.

You misunderstand, or I mis-explained.

I buy bits of friends from time to time, & I do that at 1 to 1. Always on a one off basis.

Occasionally - very occasionally, I invest a little in the "pro Market" - Simon Trumper (who's been very profitable for me), Camel (that one is still running, I'm sure he grimmed me.....), &, as you know, down the years, I've often owned lumps of Julian, when it was appropriate so to do. Which worked out very nicely.

If a Luton pal asks, I might stick up £100 or something.

We are talking little one-offs here. As opposed to advancing open cheques for 4, 5, & even 6 figure sums.

I suppose I should not do it at all, but it's nice to help sometimes.

[StuartHopkin]

My views on staking are completely opposite on staking and one off staking arrangements are really not for me. It is a bit of a gamble really and has massive variance, not to mention the ridic mark ups people make on these things.

Whereas long term staking deals, assuming you get the right horse can be very profitable and as long you get the first bit right, very +ev.

To pick up an early point, if you do your research properly online you can find out some very interesting stuff about a potential stakee that just simply isn't possible with live players.

Definately agree with this. I find it it completely unbelievable that people manage to word staking requests as 100% for 70% equity and sell out when if they said I think Im 1.4 over the field they would get laughed at!

...and you still stake them.

Dont think ive staked anyone who was selling at over 1:1 this year?

[tikay]

Wow, GREAT Post by Simon G!

Decode that one Cos.

A famous Live "Pro" had a great little coup for years, & I note it's re-appeared in new hands recently.

Shares a Table with a player - "great game you got, I'll stake you into the ME & we'll split the winnings 50/50".

What happens next depends whether the player cashes or not.......

[GreekStein]

Wow, GREAT Post by Simon G!

Decode that one Cos.

Decode successful.

Great post.

[bobby1]

Good few poker players I've come across that are/have been decent snooker players, century makers including...

James Akenhead
Kevin O'Leary
Me
Dominic Rice'n'peas (almost turned pro).

Any others to add to this illustrious list?

 

John McGrane was a regular century maker in his heyday until he found girls and cards. He used to play a few cash games in and around London.

[EvilPie]

Come on Matt, we are waiting for the answer to the Dale Winton thing.

Sorry not me.

I was only allowed in on Saturday mornings because I wasn't 18 and it was licensed.

The grimming they did was really scummy. All memberships ran from 1st Jan to 31st Dec.

They got all memberships in and then shut the place early January. Obviously knew they were closing but still took all those tenners.

It still bothers me now.

Grimming bastards!!!!!!

[tikay]

Come on Matt, we are waiting for the answer to the Dale Winton thing.

Sorry not me.

I was only allowed in on Saturday mornings because I wasn't 18 and it was licensed.

The grimming they did was really scummy. All memberships ran from 1st Jan to 31st Dec.

They got all memberships in and then shut the place early January. Obviously knew they were closing but still took all those tenners.

It still bothers me now.

Grimming bastards!!!!!!

Yes, that's right!

We all moved up to a Club in Stabbo, but it was not the same, & within months the "gang" disbanded, & the snooker chapter in my life closed.

[RED-DOG]

I was talking to someone I respect very much last night, who said they don't post on BP much now, as it's a place for the kidz.
I know where he's coming from but there seems to be lots of old fashioned, grown up topics and discussion in this bit of the forum, and not an ill mannered kid in sight.

I think I need to set the record straight here, that's not what I said. (Well, in fairness to Neil, it is what I said, but not what I meant)

Neil asked me why I haven't been posting much, and rather than go through a long, complex list of reasons, (Some of which even I don't really understand) I made the remark about blonde being "a place for the kidz"

I'll spew it all out eventually, citing Neil's post as the catalyst, but in the meanwhile, I just want to make it clear that I have nothing against "the kidz".

(Well nothing that suffocating the odd one or two wouldn't cure)*


*Joke.

[pokefast]

Good few poker players I've come across that are/have been decent snooker players, century makers including...

James Akenhead
Kevin O'Leary
Me
Dominic Rice'n'peas (almost turned pro).

Any others to add to this illustrious list?

 

John McGrane was a regular century maker in his heyday until he found girls and cards. He used to play a few cash games in and around London.

I've made a century,but i can't play poker!

[Longy]

My views on staking are completely the opposite and one off staking arrangements are really not for me. It is a bit of a gamble really and has massive variance, not to mention the ridic mark ups people make on these things.
Whereas long term staking deals, assuming you get the right horse can be very profitable and as long you get the first bit right, very +ev.

To pick up an early point, if you do your research properly online you can find out some very interesting stuff about a potential stakee that just simply isn't possible with live players.

You misunderstand, or I mis-explained.

I buy bits of friends from time to time, & I do that at 1 to 1. Always on a one off basis.

Occasionally - very occasionally, I invest a little in the "pro Market" - Simon Trumper (who's been very profitable for me), Camel (that one is still running, I'm sure he grimmed me.....), &, as you know, down the years, I've often owned lumps of Julian, when it was appropriate so to do. Which worked out very nicely.

If a Luton pal asks, I might stick up £100 or something.

We are talking little one-offs here. As opposed to advancing open cheques for 4, 5, & even 6 figure sums.

I suppose I should not do it at all, but it's nice to help sometimes.

Ha misunderstandings all round i think. My post was intended as a general post about staking and was not suggesting that you purchased these marked up stakes.

I know you like to take a piece of friends, though taking a piece of someone like The Camel is never going to be a bad little gamble.

When you and I stake we are just looking for different things from it. I stake mainly to make myself a little extra money on the side away from my own poker earnings, I tend to stake people I like, only because they tend to be trustworthy and that is something I rate highley in someone.

[riverdave]

Good few poker players I've come across that are/have been decent snooker players, century makers including...

James Akenhead
Kevin O'Leary
Me
Dominic Rice'n'peas (almost turned pro).

Any others to add to this illustrious list?

I never made it into the century club but spent most of my A Level years in the snooker club after College playing for 6 or 7 hours before jumping on the last bus home. I stuck in a 73 one afternoon it wasn't your conventional 10 reds and 9 blacks i think it involved about 13 reds and a smattering of the colours, positioning was never my strong point but i could pull out a pot with the best of them. A couple of years on i got into 8 ball pool and even played as an amateur on the "professional" tour towards the end of my 5 or 6 years in pool. Pissed away a good proportion of my last year at uni getting good at that game. In the end i got fed up of trying to bridge the gap between being a very good player and the elite few and gave the lot up, poker was already becoming a big factor. To some extent i feel like i've repeated that cycle in poker and have a slight sense of dejavu. Whilst i don't think i will ever give up playing poker completely like i have other things in life i am trying to return to the normal world of "work" which sure is easy in this current climate.

[tikay]

My views on staking are completely the opposite and one off staking arrangements are really not for me. It is a bit of a gamble really and has massive variance, not to mention the ridic mark ups people make on these things.
Whereas long term staking deals, assuming you get the right horse can be very profitable and as long you get the first bit right, very +ev.

To pick up an early point, if you do your research properly online you can find out some very interesting stuff about a potential stakee that just simply isn't possible with live players.

You misunderstand, or I mis-explained.

I buy bits of friends from time to time, & I do that at 1 to 1. Always on a one off basis.

Occasionally - very occasionally, I invest a little in the "pro Market" - Simon Trumper (who's been very profitable for me), Camel (that one is still running, I'm sure he grimmed me.....), &, as you know, down the years, I've often owned lumps of Julian, when it was appropriate so to do. Which worked out very nicely.

If a Luton pal asks, I might stick up £100 or something.

We are talking little one-offs here. As opposed to advancing open cheques for 4, 5, & even 6 figure sums.

I suppose I should not do it at all, but it's nice to help sometimes.

Ha misunderstandings all round i think. My post was intended as a general post about staking and was not suggesting that you purchased these marked up stakes.

I know you like to take a piece of friends, though taking a piece of someone like The Camel is never going to be a bad little gamble.

When you and I stake we are just looking for different things from it. I stake mainly to make myself a little extra money on the side away from my own poker earnings, I tend to stake people I like, only because they tend to be trustworthy and that is something I rate highley in someone.

Yes, yes, exactly that.

I'm sure that Camel fella grimmed me though, in Leicester Square. (And to be serious, guys like him you can trust with your wallet).

[tikay]

Forums are extremely efficient time-sponges - Ive wasted - spent - a whole day messing about on here, but it's been fun, & I should do it more I think. But I've not done a shred of work today, or not much, & now I'm guilt-ridden.

A dilemma for every occasion, thats me.

[jakally]

I was talking to someone I respect very much last night, who said they don't post on BP much now, as it's a place for the kidz.
I know where he's coming from but there seems to be lots of old fashioned, grown up topics and discussion in this bit of the forum, and not an ill mannered kid in sight.

I think I need to set the record straight here, that's not what I said. (Well, in fairness to Neil, it is what I said, but not what I meant)

Neil asked me why I haven't been posting much, and rather than go through a long, complex list of reasons, (Some of which even I don't really understand) I made the remark about blonde being "a place for the kidz"

I'll spew it all out eventually, citing Neil's post as the catalyst, but in the meanwhile, I just want to make it clear that I have nothing against "the kidz".

(Well nothing that suffocating the odd one or two wouldn't cure)*


*Joke.

At least you posted...............my naivety wasn't completely wasted.

Bet you have enjoyed the last few pages of this thread.

[tikay]

I was "away" when Michael "One Seat Here" Arnold got sentenced - what a peculiar case that was.

He never struck me as someone who was doing a lot of money at the Cash Table - he was always asleep when I saw him or played with him. Maybe he had another gambling leak, I dunno. He was not the sort of guy who played dreadfully loose & pulled up evey half hour from what I knew of him.

I bet there's a cracking story there. And I don't imagine clink is awfully pleasing for a Gentleman of his vintage, especially given that he's was someone who liked things his own way.

Life is so full of interesting tales, & so many of them revolve around money & gambling debts.

Try reading stuff about a guy called Robert Standish Sievier - he owned the greatest race mare - or horse - that ever lived, Sceptre. Gambling Debts, murder, blackmail, court cases, everything. He's been brown bread for 70 years, but he was a PremierShip Grimmer by any standards.

Right, I'm gone, got a home game tonight, posh jobbie, so best behaviour.