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« Reply #24315 on: December 09, 2011, 09:35:46 AM »

Believe me, I'm not not arguing that chelsea's support base is perfect. In fact, it has deteriorated hugely post abrahamovich but increased in numbers.

[ ] Will be posting in a mufc thread.

Football supporters (inc myself) are too irrational when it comes to talking about their team.

 
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« Reply #24316 on: December 09, 2011, 09:37:04 AM »

The Monte Carlo is next weekend Tony so your bag might still be at risk.
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« Reply #24317 on: December 09, 2011, 09:48:55 AM »

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The survey you mentioned - can't really give that any credit til I've seen a link.

The hatred thing I agree with but think this is going to come down to semantics.

As a chelsea fan I have what I'd like to think of a healthy dislike for some of our rivals. When I say 'I hate man utd' or 'I hate arsenal' etc I don't literally mean hate. I think the same is true for 95% of football fans and people in general who throw the word hate around far too easily.

Unfortunately I can't remember the details of the study, but I'll see if I can find anyone who has looked into it at lunch.

I agree that with a fair few fans they say 'hate' when they realistically mean 'dislike' - but there are a LOT of Man U haters who really do hate; and you can tell from the vitriolic language they use that they wouldn't be happy if you tried to suggest that they didn't HATE them.

I assume you're not really a football guy mr british cowboy sir?

It matters to most proper fans because usually fans understand what it is to be a supporter. You go to somewhere like newcastle where every single fan is wearing the team's shirt or pompey where the crowd don't stop singing even if they're 5-0 down.

Being a real fan is usually about following a fairly local team so that you can actually 'support' them.

That's why most proper mancs support man city. 

What link to manchester united do most of their uk fans have? Nothing but the love for being a glory hunter or perhaps an open day visit to manchester university 18 years after first supporting them.

Look at the typical united fan on this forum - someone like bedi. Travels all over the uk to play donkaments but bet I've been to see more games at stamford bridge by the time I was 8 than george has been to man utd games home or away his whole life.

That's partly why true fans resent man united. Yes their manager is remarkable and yep they've had some amazing players and history but a lot their fans don't deserve to see such success. I'm not saying the club itself doesn't deserve it.
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Most of what you said can be summed up by - it just does

"Being a real fan is usually about following a fairly local team so that you can actually 'support' them."

Does this mean financially support them? Because the Asian market in particular are good at financially support premier league football teams but I'm guessing you wouldn't count them as 'real' fans.

So is it just about going to see them play? Is this your only real criteria for being a real fan? Why does that make a difference? You don't get as good a view as if you watch it on television - you get to see less of the actual football.

The only difference going to see a team live makes is the atmosphere and crowd - that's all well and good if you're interested in being part of the fan 'community' - but what if you're not in the slightest bit interested in the community and all you're supporting is the football itself?
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« Reply #24318 on: December 09, 2011, 10:10:38 AM »

If you're just interested in the football itself what's the point in supporting any team?

Also, I was talking about uk fans. I can understand foreign fans having uk clubs. Most support the big ones as they are shown most etc.
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« Reply #24319 on: December 09, 2011, 10:13:15 AM »

If you're just interested in the football itself what's the point in supporting any team?

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You support the team who plays the 'prettiest' football? or the team whose 'spirit' you most admire?

Why the emphasis on a random act of geography?
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« Reply #24320 on: December 09, 2011, 10:23:28 AM »

If you're just interested in the football itself what's the point in supporting any team?

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You support the team who plays the 'prettiest' football? or the team whose 'spirit' you most admire?

Why the emphasis on a random act of geography?

It's gang-culture innit.
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« Reply #24321 on: December 09, 2011, 10:25:08 AM »

Man U have always been one of the best supported clubs - back in the 80s, when football was at its nadir (even Chelsea were only getting crowds of 7,000 in the old Division 2) Man U and Liverpool were the two teams whose support held up around 40,000. And they would have been mostly local fans.
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« Reply #24322 on: December 09, 2011, 10:27:12 AM »

Its bloody horrible supporting your local team, wish I had gone down the glory hunter route.
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« Reply #24323 on: December 09, 2011, 10:30:27 AM »

Its bloody horrible supporting your local team, wish I had gone down the glory hunter route.

Mis-read your post first time round.
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« Reply #24324 on: December 09, 2011, 10:35:58 AM »

Its bloody horrible supporting your local team, wish I had gone down the glory hunter route.

Mis-read your post first time round.

I actually almost wrote 'glory hole' if thats what you were inferring.

It was amost a Freudian Clitoris Slip
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« Reply #24325 on: December 09, 2011, 10:38:30 AM »

If you're just interested in the football itself what's the point in supporting any team?

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You support the team who plays the 'prettiest' football? or the team whose 'spirit' you most admire?

Why the emphasis on a random act of geography?

You can't physically assault the opposition supporters unless you go to the match.
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« Reply #24326 on: December 09, 2011, 10:40:01 AM »



The survey you mentioned - can't really give that any credit til I've seen a link.


Given that we must all start from the assumption that referee's are inherently fair and even-handed, surely it's up to those who question that presumption to demonstrate that bias exists toward a specific club?
It's acknowledged that some small bias exists towards the home side
http://www.business.salford.ac.uk/news/docs/THE%20TWELFTH%20MAN.pdf but that benefits all clubs at some level. (unless they have a running track round the pitch apparently..)

The oft-quoted view that Howard Webb favours one club team over another was pretty well dealt with earlier this year by the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8490553/Howard-Webbs-track-record-when-refereeing-Manchester-United-and-Chelsea.html

So - and again feel free to move this somewhere where it's not disturbing talk of wind turbines exploding, trains and buses  - can you find proof of this bias of which you spoke

 
I support chelsea who I think over the last 6 years or so have run pretty good with refereeing decisions for the large part but the way man utd run is joke lol. Another reason people are happy to see them out.
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« Reply #24327 on: December 09, 2011, 12:26:38 PM »

FML just deleted a rly good post. Fyugdfghjfsdfgh

Whose post did you delete?

brilliant. A+
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« Reply #24328 on: December 09, 2011, 12:31:59 PM »

Would be funny if I actually had a power to delete posts (which I should have imo).
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« Reply #24329 on: December 09, 2011, 12:47:17 PM »

Would be funny if I actually had a power to delete posts (which I should have imo).

Agree, at the minute your basically just a Community support officer, give Cos the power.
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