Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[ifm]

Mantis tut, tut, will you ever learn?
I actually think you do this on purpose, please see the rules on trolling.

[neeko]

At least you've put the google nuts out of our misery.   

Sadly I knew the quote without using google - just needed it to check.

  yahoo has a "loser" smile - blonde is missing it (It would fit here)

[MANTIS01]

The maths will stay the same of course

Apologies for the vagueness of that. I was thinking about the probability of the hand winning not the maths of the whole situation. The question I was considering is whether a maths driven player would take on a gamble on the bubble of the WSOP Main Event if they had average chips and knew they were a 6/4 favourite. My thinking was that as the favourite in the gamble, you win the majority of the time, and heighten the probability of going deeper in the tournament. If you don't take that favourable gamble on because of the bubble situation then is this not just a personal threshold thing similar to Tikay not wanting to take a favourable gamble on because of his particular situation??

Secondly, Tikay is a very experienced player, and when he sees the A-K he says....

my gut feel was screaming PASS

What do we make of this? Is this something we should dismiss or is it worth investigating a bit. Do maths guys have these gut feelings? Do you over-rule those feelings in favour of maths and why??

In his post Tikay talks about the fickle finger of luck and how in this hand he feels it would be wrong to push his luck. Do many other players "feel" this sort of thing when playing poker?

Often your "feel" originates from all the information you have gathered and stored in your subconscious and your conscious mind doesn't even know it is there. So you may "feel" you have a guy beat but in fact your subconscious may have picked up a tell that you aren't consciously aware of. Consciously....lets say the maths seems to make you an underdog but you "feel" like you have the best hand and can't consciously explain why...What would you do?

[Bongo]

The maths will stay the same of course

Apologies for the vagueness of that. I was thinking about the probability of the hand winning not the maths of the whole situation. The question I was considering is whether a maths driven player would take on a gamble on the bubble of the WSOP Main Event if they had average chips and knew they were a 6/4 favourite. My thinking was that as the favourite in the gamble, you win the majority of the time, and heighten the probability of going deeper in the tournament. If you don't take that favourable gamble on because of the bubble situation then is this not just a personal threshold thing similar to Tikay not wanting to take a favourable gamble on because of his particular situation??

It might be a positive chip gamble, but it (probably, i've not done the maths) isn't a positive $ gamble and so you'd turn it down!

[Longy]

The maths will stay the same of course

Apologies for the vagueness of that. I was thinking about the probability of the hand winning not the maths of the whole situation. The question I was considering is whether a maths driven player would take on a gamble on the bubble of the WSOP Main Event if they had average chips and knew they were a 6/4 favourite. My thinking was that as the favourite in the gamble, you win the majority of the time, and heighten the probability of going deeper in the tournament. If you don't take that favourable gamble on because of the bubble situation then is this not just a personal threshold thing similar to Tikay not wanting to take a favourable gamble on because of his particular situation??

It might be a positive chip gamble, but it (probably, i've not done the maths) isn't a positive $ gamble and so you'd turn it down!

Agreed bongo in tournament play there is a difference between +cEV (whether this play will make more chip in the long term) than +$EV. We should be concentrating on the latter as poker is about making money not chips.On the bubble of WSOP me, getting it in as 6/4 fave probably isn't a good idea if you aren't desperately short and your opponent has you covered.

[tikay]

The Independent ran a moving piece today on chickens........

I'm not a veggie, but I sometimes wish I were. For some reason, every time I visit a KFC, I try to analyse how many chickens died for that one branch. Chickens are lovely little walking about things, in nature. And delicious in KFC.

There are about three Supermarkets in the little town in which I live - Tescos, Aldi, Kwik-Save, & an independent. Each one sells "fresh" chicken, & each one must have 100 or more in stock on any given day.

The Independent said this. These are - allegedly, & I'm inclined to believe them - facts, not spin. They refer only to Battery-reared chickens.

One sheet of A4 paper is the amount of space that a chicken has to live in.

855,000,000 chickens are bred in the UK every year. I guess we eat roughly the same amount.

50,000 (live) chickens are contained in some "sheds".

27% of these chickens experience severe problems with their legs.

19% of chickens suffer burns due to ammonia arising from urine on the floor.

The lights are kept on in battery farms 20 hours per day.

Battery chickens only live for 40 days. (Hopefully, for their sake, less, because death must be a mercy).

The standard price of a chicken in a supermarket is £2.50. I imagine the "farmer" gets about ten bob.

Who'd be a chicken? Turkey's have it so good, in comparision.

OK, we breed to kill to eat, that's how it works. But we could do it with a bit more style, surely. If the quoted figures are correct, it's time the RSPCA, or whoever, got their act together.

[celtic]

The Independent ran a moving piece today on chickens........

I'm not a veggie, but I sometimes wish I were. For some reason, every time I visit a KFC, I try to analyse how many chickens died for that one branch. Chickens are lovely little walking about things, in nature. And delicious in KFC.

There are about three Supermarkets in the little town in which I live - Tescos, Aldi, Kwik-Save, & an independent. Each one sells "fresh" chicken, & each one must have 100 or more in stock on any given day.

The Independent said this. These are - allegedly, & I'm inclined to believe them - facts, not spin. They refer only to Battery-reared chickens.

One sheet of A4 paper is the amount of space that a chicken has to live in.

855,000,000 chickens are bred in the UK every year. I guess we eat roughly the same amount.

50,000 (live) chickens are contained in some "sheds".

27% of these chickens experience severe problems with their legs.

19% of chickens suffer burns due to ammonia arising from urine on the floor.

The lights are kept on in battery farms 20 hours per day.

Battery chickens only live for 40 days. (Hopefully, for their sake, less, because death must be a mercy).

The standard price of a chicken in a supermarket is £2.50. I imagine the "farmer" gets about ten bob.

Who'd be a chicken? Turkey's have it so good, in comparision.

OK, we breed to kill to eat, that's how it works. But we could do it with a bit more style, surely. If the quoted figures are correct, it's time the RSPCA, or whoever, got their act together.

Answer = None.

327 Rats is probably more likely.

[tikay]

How did we all become to enslaved to our Mobile 'Phones?

Not that many years ago, they never existed. There was usually a 'phone box round the corner. We kept spare pennies to one side, then shillings, then two-bob bits. We managed quite well.

Then along came the Moby, & now it's a must-have. When I was working (proper work, not like now), my Moby was on my person 24/7. And, after a brief respite, it got that way again after I retired, I thought I could sling it, but I became involved in this & that, &, well, suddenly I'm a slave to it again. It's with me all the time, everywhere. I can't go anywhere without it, & it hacks me off. Not that I have to answer it, just that I'm addicted to having it with me all the time. And I'm not alone - look around - everyone seems to suffer the same.

So at Christmas, I decided to try & kick the habit.

Since then, I don't take it to bed with me (ooh-er), & I've stopped taking it with me when I'm pokering. And I feel better for it - I'm free again, that perma-feeling "have I got my Moby?" has gone.

So there it is. If someone rings me, & I don't answer, it's because I'm free.

[taximan007]

How did we all become to enslaved to our Mobile 'Phones?

Not that many years ago, they never existed. There was usually a 'phone box round the corner. We kept spare pennies to one side, then shillings, then two-bob bits. We managed quite well.

Then along came the Moby, & now it's a must-have. When I was working (proper work, not like now), my Moby was on my person 24/7. And, after a brief respite, it got that way again after I retired, I thought I could sling it, but I became involved in this & that, &, well, suddenly I'm a slave to it again. It's with me all the time, everywhere. I can't go anywhere without it, & it hacks me off. Not that I have to answer it, just that I'm addicted to having it with me all the time. And I'm not alone - look around - everyone seems to suffer the same.

So at Christmas, I decided to try & kick the habit.

Since then, I don't take it to bed with me (ooh-er), & I've stopped taking it with me when I'm pokering. And I feel better for it - I'm free again, that perma-feeling "have I got my Moby?" has gone.

So there it is. If someone rings me, & I don't answer, it's because I'm free.

The ONE thing I have definately not missed since leaving the UK. I haven't bothered with one here and it's bloody heaven

[wormster]

The Independent ran a moving piece today on chickens........

I'm not a veggie, but I sometimes wish I were. For some reason, every time I visit a KFC, I try to analyse how many chickens died for that one branch. Chickens are lovely little walking about things, in nature. And delicious in KFC.

There are about three Supermarkets in the little town in which I live - Tescos, Aldi, Kwik-Save, & an independent. Each one sells "fresh" chicken, & each one must have 100 or more in stock on any given day.

The Independent said this. These are - allegedly, & I'm inclined to believe them - facts, not spin. They refer only to Battery-reared chickens.

One sheet of A4 paper is the amount of space that a chicken has to live in.

855,000,000 chickens are bred in the UK every year. I guess we eat roughly the same amount.

50,000 (live) chickens are contained in some "sheds".

27% of these chickens experience severe problems with their legs.

19% of chickens suffer burns due to ammonia arising from urine on the floor.

The lights are kept on in battery farms 20 hours per day.

Battery chickens only live for 40 days. (Hopefully, for their sake, less, because death must be a mercy).

The standard price of a chicken in a supermarket is £2.50. I imagine the "farmer" gets about ten bob.

Who'd be a chicken? Turkey's have it so good, in comparision.

OK, we breed to kill to eat, that's how it works. But we could do it with a bit more style, surely. If the quoted figures are correct, it's time the RSPCA, or whoever, got their act together.

When I was about 14 (26 years ago, blimey I'm old!) our Georgraphy lesson was a field trip to a couple of local farms (before the Health & Safety Nazis put a stop to such things in case a child grazed itself on a thornbush!). One of the farms had "battery hens". You couldn't believe the sight we saw. Chickens 5 or 6 deep in a small coop, with bits missing from the in-fighting, just there to lay as many eggs as possible before death (I'm pretty sure that weren't bred for our comsumption). It was a dark barn with row upon row of chickens with each row containing about 4 or 5 columns of coops, from the floor to the ceiling. One of the kids took a picture with a flash. At once, however many hundred or thousands of chickens were in there, went mad, scared from the only light they had ever seen! The noise was deafening & a very angry "farmer" ushered us out of the barn to close the doors & let the chickens get back to the dark conditions they were use to. We then went to a "free-range" farm where there were about 30 chickens wandering around their spacious coop, looking as happy as larry, fit & healthy!

I'm not a veggie, in fact I'm anti-veggie but what I saw that day at the battery farm wasn't right and I'm a bit ashamed to say that I never done anything about it, except shrug it off as an experience!

[M3boy]

Tony, you MUST take your phone with you to Luton.

I mean, how else will we wake you from your sleep in the lounge bar when the competition is about to start!

[bobby1]

How did we all become to enslaved to our Mobile 'Phones?

Not that many years ago, they never existed. There was usually a 'phone box round the corner. We kept spare pennies to one side, then shillings, then two-bob bits. We managed quite well.

Then along came the Moby, & now it's a must-have. When I was working (proper work, not like now), my Moby was on my person 24/7. And, after a brief respite, it got that way again after I retired, I thought I could sling it, but I became involved in this & that, &, well, suddenly I'm a slave to it again. It's with me all the time, everywhere. I can't go anywhere without it, & it hacks me off. Not that I have to answer it, just that I'm addicted to having it with me all the time. And I'm not alone - look around - everyone seems to suffer the same.

So at Christmas, I decided to try & kick the habit.

Since then, I don't take it to bed with me (ooh-er), & I've stopped taking it with me when I'm pokering. And I feel better for it - I'm free again, that perma-feeling "have I got my Moby?" has gone.

So there it is. If someone rings me, & I don't answer, it's because I'm free.

Does the one one took to bed with you vibrate when someone rings you??

[Dingdell]

How did we all become to enslaved to our Mobile 'Phones?

Not that many years ago, they never existed. There was usually a 'phone box round the corner. We kept spare pennies to one side, then shillings, then two-bob bits. We managed quite well.

Then along came the Moby, & now it's a must-have. When I was working (proper work, not like now), my Moby was on my person 24/7. And, after a brief respite, it got that way again after I retired, I thought I could sling it, but I became involved in this & that, &, well, suddenly I'm a slave to it again. It's with me all the time, everywhere. I can't go anywhere without it, & it hacks me off. Not that I have to answer it, just that I'm addicted to having it with me all the time. And I'm not alone - look around - everyone seems to suffer the same.

So at Christmas, I decided to try & kick the habit.

Since then, I don't take it to bed with me (ooh-er), & I've stopped taking it with me when I'm pokering. And I feel better for it - I'm free again, that perma-feeling "have I got my Moby?" has gone.

So there it is. If someone rings me, & I don't answer, it's because I'm free.

Does the one one took to bed with you vibrate when someone rings you??

Yes - and Tikay has been known to give out his mobile number to double glazing/kitchen salesmen and beg them to ring him - and keep on trying if he doesn't answer.

[bobby1]

How did we all become to enslaved to our Mobile 'Phones?

Not that many years ago, they never existed. There was usually a 'phone box round the corner. We kept spare pennies to one side, then shillings, then two-bob bits. We managed quite well.

Then along came the Moby, & now it's a must-have. When I was working (proper work, not like now), my Moby was on my person 24/7. And, after a brief respite, it got that way again after I retired, I thought I could sling it, but I became involved in this & that, &, well, suddenly I'm a slave to it again. It's with me all the time, everywhere. I can't go anywhere without it, & it hacks me off. Not that I have to answer it, just that I'm addicted to having it with me all the time. And I'm not alone - look around - everyone seems to suffer the same.

So at Christmas, I decided to try & kick the habit.

Since then, I don't take it to bed with me (ooh-er), & I've stopped taking it with me when I'm pokering. And I feel better for it - I'm free again, that perma-feeling "have I got my Moby?" has gone.

So there it is. If someone rings me, & I don't answer, it's because I'm free.

Does the one one took to bed with you vibrate when someone rings you??

Yes - and Tikay has been known to give out his mobile number to double glazing/kitchen salesmen and beg them to ring him - and keep on trying if he doesn't answer.

lol, it could be one of your treatments Tracey, you could do it from home too.

[tikay]

I had this today. I've never had an Account with the Halifax, & I've never replied to any spam from them. It looks genuine.....by the way, I do NOT recommend that you click the Link. It appears to go to what looks like the Official Halifax Web Site.


".....Dear Halifax Valued Customer,

We are committed to protecting you, with the latest technology to keep
your details secure, and dedicated teams to monitor online activity
and intercept any suspicious actions. And we do everything we can
to protect our online customers, but the steps we take can be much more
effective if you work with us to protect yourself.

Our security system detected an unsuccessful access attempt
to your online account from IP address that does not correspond
to your current address.

Please follow the link below to confirm your Internet Banking account
details:

http://i-halifax.com/

If you do not confirm your address, your account will be SUSPENDED
for security reasons.

Yours sincerely,
Minna Norris
Halifax Security Department

Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc.
Registered in Scotland No. SC327000.
Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh, EH1 1YZ......"