Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[kinboshi]

Thought it was 16-day return policy at Argos?

[gatso]

Thought it was 16-day return policy at Argos?

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/StaticDisplay/includeName/ReturnsAndRefunds.htm

Most things we sell are covered by our 30-day money-back guarantee, so just return them to us unused, in their original undamaged packaging, in a saleable condition, with your receipt and we’ll give you a refund.

To protect your personal security, we are also unable to accept returns on some non-faulty imaging and recording products such as MP3 players and digital cameras.

[DaveShoelace]

Well if you wrote that, Jeff, you should pack up poker & go back to journalism, it was a beautifully balanced & paced little piece, well presented, very professional, & I mean that. The gift of writing well should not be underestimated.

Anyone suggesting Jeff should give up poker and return to journalism must think he either a) really loves journalism or b) really hates money

Oh and +1 on the well written.

Ha, I took it as a rub to my abilities at da pokerz....tyty for the compliments, always available for further gainful employment should your fine mags require my service

Send me a PM with your email and let's have a chat.

There you go, combined Diary & Recruitment Agency.

Alun, what is the current market for poker print magazines? Almost nobody ever pays for them, or so it seems, so they must be mostly funded by advertising revenue, which I would have assumed is falling stone style. Do they have much of a future in the internet age? Does the Online version make decent money?

I do wonder how many "strategy articles" & big name Profiles mags & sites can keep regurgitating, they must all have gone round the block a few times now.

Funny story I heard about print poker magazines.

Anyone remember a crappy little rag called GX magazine? Gambling Exclusive was the long version. You would sometimes find copies of it lying around in casinos in the UK.

Apparently, they were never really a proper magazine. They just printed out the odd fancy looking copy, scattered a few around casinos, and charged advertisers claiming they had a ridiculously high circulation/subscriptions all round Europe, when in reality they would print off a couple of hundred copies to show advertisers. The owners have done a runner now.

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

[AlunB]

Well if you wrote that, Jeff, you should pack up poker & go back to journalism, it was a beautifully balanced & paced little piece, well presented, very professional, & I mean that. The gift of writing well should not be underestimated.

Anyone suggesting Jeff should give up poker and return to journalism must think he either a) really loves journalism or b) really hates money

Oh and +1 on the well written.

Ha, I took it as a rub to my abilities at da pokerz....tyty for the compliments, always available for further gainful employment should your fine mags require my service

Send me a PM with your email and let's have a chat.

There you go, combined Diary & Recruitment Agency.

Alun, what is the current market for poker print magazines? Almost nobody ever pays for them, or so it seems, so they must be mostly funded by advertising revenue, which I would have assumed is falling stone style. Do they have much of a future in the internet age? Does the Online version make decent money?

I do wonder how many "strategy articles" & big name Profiles mags & sites can keep regurgitating, they must all have gone round the block a few times now.

Funny story I heard about print poker magazines.

Anyone remember a crappy little rag called GX magazine? Gambling Exclusive was the long version. You would sometimes find copies of it lying around in casinos in the UK.

Apparently, they were never really a proper magazine. They just printed out the odd fancy looking copy, scattered a few around casinos, and charged advertisers claiming they had a ridiculously high circulation/subscriptions all round Europe, when in reality they would print off a couple of hundred copies to show advertisers. The owners have done a runner now.

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was true. And they wouldn't be the first ones to do something like that. I have a mate who worked at a non-poker mag and every month a big white 'distribution' van would turn up. Pretty sure it was taking them to a landfill somewhere.

We used to get an ABC on PokerPlayer, at some time and expense, as we assumed people would put a value on that rather than some invented circulation figure given out by some of our competitors. But all that would happen is our rivals would say 'oh we do twice that' offer no proof and people would believe them. I've heard some truly ludicrous claims on newsstand sales before.

[Jon MW]

...

We used to get an ABC on PokerPlayer, at some time and expense, as we assumed people would put a value on that rather than some invented circulation figure given out by some of our competitors. But all that would happen is our rivals would say 'oh we do twice that' offer no proof and people would believe them. I've heard some truly ludicrous claims on newsstand sales before.

This auditing compliance is what we specialise in for our B2B magazine publisher clients, unfortunately the realisation that lots of advertisers will just believe whatever you tell them is starting to spread so less and less magazines are getting audited now.

[AlunB]

...

We used to get an ABC on PokerPlayer, at some time and expense, as we assumed people would put a value on that rather than some invented circulation figure given out by some of our competitors. But all that would happen is our rivals would say 'oh we do twice that' offer no proof and people would believe them. I've heard some truly ludicrous claims on newsstand sales before.

This auditing compliance is what we specialise in for our B2B magazine publisher clients, unfortunately the realisation that lots of advertisers will just believe whatever you tell them is starting to spread so less and less magazines are getting audited now.

That's interesting Jon. I started out in B2B. It's a very different world, where arguably total circ matters far less than reaching a few hundred key decision makers.

[tikay]

Well if you wrote that, Jeff, you should pack up poker & go back to journalism, it was a beautifully balanced & paced little piece, well presented, very professional, & I mean that. The gift of writing well should not be underestimated.

Anyone suggesting Jeff should give up poker and return to journalism must think he either a) really loves journalism or b) really hates money

Oh and +1 on the well written.

Ha, I took it as a rub to my abilities at da pokerz....tyty for the compliments, always available for further gainful employment should your fine mags require my service

Send me a PM with your email and let's have a chat.

There you go, combined Diary & Recruitment Agency.

Alun, what is the current market for poker print magazines? Almost nobody ever pays for them, or so it seems, so they must be mostly funded by advertising revenue, which I would have assumed is falling stone style. Do they have much of a future in the internet age? Does the Online version make decent money?

I do wonder how many "strategy articles" & big name Profiles mags & sites can keep regurgitating, they must all have gone round the block a few times now.

Funny story I heard about print poker magazines.

Anyone remember a crappy little rag called GX magazine? Gambling Exclusive was the long version. You would sometimes find copies of it lying around in casinos in the UK.

Apparently, they were never really a proper magazine. They just printed out the odd fancy looking copy, scattered a few around casinos, and charged advertisers claiming they had a ridiculously high circulation/subscriptions all round Europe, when in reality they would print off a couple of hundred copies to show advertisers. The owners have done a runner now.

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

Yup, I remember the magazine, a guy that wrote for them, & the Suits. Very well inded.

They sent me a proposal for their Online site once, then came to visit us, claiming some ridiculous amount of traffic - "the highest for any poker site ever ever ever". Yup, it sure is lads. Sadly, I think the writer there I knew, who eventually got canned (along with everyone else) lost a few bob too.

After the meet, they sent us the proposal, then followed up with the usual 'phone call. There is a sort of unwritten code for these convos "yup, we have the proposal, we'll get back to you if it interest us". Think he rung me every day for 23 years.

Sorry to hear you got turned over Barry. Been there, done that, Cardplayer (Europe) turned me over for 2 YEARS worth of monthly articles. Thinking about it, I could list quite a few others, too.

Ah well, live & learn.  

[AlunB]

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

Missed this the first time. They owe you SEVEN GRAND? Shit the bed. Sorry to hear that mate.

[DaveShoelace]

Well if you wrote that, Jeff, you should pack up poker & go back to journalism, it was a beautifully balanced & paced little piece, well presented, very professional, & I mean that. The gift of writing well should not be underestimated.

Anyone suggesting Jeff should give up poker and return to journalism must think he either a) really loves journalism or b) really hates money

Oh and +1 on the well written.

Ha, I took it as a rub to my abilities at da pokerz....tyty for the compliments, always available for further gainful employment should your fine mags require my service

Send me a PM with your email and let's have a chat.

There you go, combined Diary & Recruitment Agency.

Alun, what is the current market for poker print magazines? Almost nobody ever pays for them, or so it seems, so they must be mostly funded by advertising revenue, which I would have assumed is falling stone style. Do they have much of a future in the internet age? Does the Online version make decent money?

I do wonder how many "strategy articles" & big name Profiles mags & sites can keep regurgitating, they must all have gone round the block a few times now.

Funny story I heard about print poker magazines.

Anyone remember a crappy little rag called GX magazine? Gambling Exclusive was the long version. You would sometimes find copies of it lying around in casinos in the UK.

Apparently, they were never really a proper magazine. They just printed out the odd fancy looking copy, scattered a few around casinos, and charged advertisers claiming they had a ridiculously high circulation/subscriptions all round Europe, when in reality they would print off a couple of hundred copies to show advertisers. The owners have done a runner now.

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

Yup, I remember the magazine, a guy that wrote for them, & the Suits. Very well inded.

They sent me a proposal for their Online site once, then came to visit us, claiming some ridiculous amount of traffic - "the highest for any poker site ever ever ever". Yup, it sure is lads. Sadly, I think the writer there I knew, who eventually got canned (along with everyone else) lost a few bob too.

After the meet, they sent us the proposal, then followed up with the usual 'phone call. There is a sort of unwritten code for these convos "yup, we have the proposal, we'll get back to you if it interest us". Think he rung me every day for 23 years.

Sorry to hear you got turned over Barry. Been there, done that, Cardplayer (Europe) turned me over for 2 YEARS worth of monthly articles. Thinking about it, I could list quite a few others, too.

Ah well, live & learn.  

Yep it was very early in my career so I dare say the financial loss was offset by an important learning experience.

In fairness, they were the only company in poker that ever did stiff me, and I think it is probably actually a very bad reflection on this industry that I am really shocked by that.

[tikay]

Just realised Barry - think we both know the "staffer". If so, it all worked out OK for him in the end, as it happens. 

[DaveShoelace]

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

Missed this the first time. They owe you SEVEN GRAND? Shit the bed. Sorry to hear that mate.

Yeah they owed loads of people money (Nick Wealthall owed a few quid if I recall) - my own fault for being thick enough to trust them for such a long time when they were clearly goosing me.

It was 4 or 5 years ago, so we can all have a laugh about it now.

[tikay]

Then she says "you do realise you do not get the 30 day guarantee on this camera, don't you?". So, no 30 day guarantee, but I can have an extended guarantee for £45.  I felt like arguing that the lack of guarantee made no odds in common law, as I understand it, but I could not be arsed.

think you misunderstood

she's talking about their in house 30 day money back guarantee which applies to most goods and means you can take it back if you change your mind, something that they don't have to offer. don't think they let you have it on anything with digital storage because of the hassle of wiping all your dirty pictures off before they can resell

obv you still have full rights if it's faulty/not as described but that's not what she meant

Ahh, much obliged Mr Gatters, & all agreed. Except the dirty pictures bit, obv. My pictures are niiiicccceeee.

[DaveShoelace]

Well if you wrote that, Jeff, you should pack up poker & go back to journalism, it was a beautifully balanced & paced little piece, well presented, very professional, & I mean that. The gift of writing well should not be underestimated.

Anyone suggesting Jeff should give up poker and return to journalism must think he either a) really loves journalism or b) really hates money

Oh and +1 on the well written.

Ha, I took it as a rub to my abilities at da pokerz....tyty for the compliments, always available for further gainful employment should your fine mags require my service

Send me a PM with your email and let's have a chat.

There you go, combined Diary & Recruitment Agency.

Alun, what is the current market for poker print magazines? Almost nobody ever pays for them, or so it seems, so they must be mostly funded by advertising revenue, which I would have assumed is falling stone style. Do they have much of a future in the internet age? Does the Online version make decent money?

I do wonder how many "strategy articles" & big name Profiles mags & sites can keep regurgitating, they must all have gone round the block a few times now.

Funny story I heard about print poker magazines.

Anyone remember a crappy little rag called GX magazine? Gambling Exclusive was the long version. You would sometimes find copies of it lying around in casinos in the UK.

Apparently, they were never really a proper magazine. They just printed out the odd fancy looking copy, scattered a few around casinos, and charged advertisers claiming they had a ridiculously high circulation/subscriptions all round Europe, when in reality they would print off a couple of hundred copies to show advertisers. The owners have done a runner now.

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

Yup, I remember the magazine, a guy that wrote for them, & the Suits. Very well inded.

They sent me a proposal for their Online site once, then came to visit us, claiming some ridiculous amount of traffic - "the highest for any poker site ever ever ever". Yup, it sure is lads. Sadly, I think the writer there I knew, who eventually got canned (along with everyone else) lost a few bob too.

After the meet, they sent us the proposal, then followed up with the usual 'phone call. There is a sort of unwritten code for these convos "yup, we have the proposal, we'll get back to you if it interest us". Think he rung me every day for 23 years.

Sorry to hear you got turned over Barry. Been there, done that, Cardplayer (Europe) turned me over for 2 YEARS worth of monthly articles. Thinking about it, I could list quite a few others, too.

Ah well, live & learn.  

Yep it was very early in my career so I dare say the financial loss was offset by an important learning experience.

In fairness, they were the only company in poker that ever did stiff me, and I think it is probably actually a very bad reflection on this industry that I am really shocked by that.

oh, other than full tilt obv

[Jon MW]

...

We used to get an ABC on PokerPlayer, at some time and expense, as we assumed people would put a value on that rather than some invented circulation figure given out by some of our competitors. But all that would happen is our rivals would say 'oh we do twice that' offer no proof and people would believe them. I've heard some truly ludicrous claims on newsstand sales before.

This auditing compliance is what we specialise in for our B2B magazine publisher clients, unfortunately the realisation that lots of advertisers will just believe whatever you tell them is starting to spread so less and less magazines are getting audited now.

That's interesting Jon. I started out in B2B. It's a very different world, where arguably total circ matters far less than reaching a few hundred key decision makers.

There's still a fair bit of auditing because of that - but the trend is their

[AlunB]

I am not 100% if its true, I heard it from a former staff writer there, but I have no problems spreading the story (true or not) because the robbing bastards owe me 7 grand from years ago.

Missed this the first time. They owe you SEVEN GRAND? Shit the bed. Sorry to hear that mate.

Yeah they owed loads of people money (Nick Wealthall owed a few quid if I recall) - my own fault for being thick enough to trust them for such a long time when they were clearly goosing me.

It was 4 or 5 years ago, so we can all have a laugh about it now.

Yeah I think I would need a bit more than 5 years. I think I probably know said staff writer too. Nice lad.