Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Newmanseye]

I worry more & more about the way Tourney Poker is run in this country, & I suppose it's been thrown into contrast because I'm just back from Vegas, where they are not scared to impose penalties on miscreants.

I have seen so many "indiscretions" at the Poker Table this week, & not one of them has been punished, or the player penalised, or admonished, in any way, shape, or form. In one instance, the geezer repeated the offence (broke a House Rule) EIGHT TIMES & still never got penalised! Why have Rules if we can all ignore them?

At Luton on Wednesday, the lovely ambience was well & truly smashed by some guy who decided it would be clever to repeatedly act out of turn, sometimes betting before it was he to act, sometimes just leaving the Table before it "got to him", & thus Passing out of turn. Eventually he pulled a shocking stroke by betting out of turn before 3 others could act. This is against the Rules, for the avoidance of doubt.

So, noting not a word had been said to him, I asked the Dealer what he planned to do about it.

"Do you want the Floor called, & a Ruling?" he asked.

"No, I want you to take appropriate action, it's your job to police the Table, not mine".

"Well I can't do anything then" said the Dealer.

"Eh?"

So he then said to the Player, now on his 4th or 5th "stroke", "please don't do that again", The player smiled. And raked in the pot.

I could have called "Floor", or asked Nina to take action, but this is just not how it should be.

Come on Casinos, get your act together. Players are doing as they please, & the game is descending into anarchy. We see appalling table behaviour, deliberate rule-breaking,  but nobody - nobody ever - gets Penalised in the UK.

What was it Radiohead sung?

"When I am King, you shall be first against the Wall"......

Tony, What were the rest of the players doing at this point?

I know we have our manners in this country and I believe they sometimes get in the way. Any table i sit at in a Glasgow cardroom is usually well policed by the players, I know its not our job and the dealer should be the authority figure.

If I saw continuing strokes I would be bringing it to the attention of the dealer and the rest of the table, I feel cheats tend to behave when under the scrutiny of 7 - 8 players who wont hold back.



 

[RED-DOG]

DTD tonight for the reinstated £100 freezeout Tony ?

Oooh! 

[RED-DOG]

Come on Casinos, get your act together. Players are doing as they please, & the game is descending into anarchy. We see appalling table behaviour, deliberate rule-breaking,  but nobody - nobody ever - gets Penalised in the UK.

It's becoming harder and harder for me to convince myself that it's worthwhile making the effort to go and play live.

Travelling expenses, poor quality food and service, loud music, badly thought out structures, inconsistent rulings, bad behaviour, deliberate rule breaking.. and now one of my favourite venues is dipping it's fingers into the prize pool...

DTD is about the only cardroom I can think of at the moment where these concerns are not an issue.

It's not even that I am making a conscious effort to stay away from other cardrooms, It's just that I'm sick of being the one who always says "Hey mate, don't show him your cards", or "Excuse me, but would you mind waiting until it's your turn before you walk away from the table?" "Please don't splash the pot" "Will one of you turn your cards over so that we can see who's won the hand..." Etc etc.

I just find it difficult to put myself through all that crap just to have a decent game of cards.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: RED-DOG

It's not even that I am making a conscious effort to stay away from other cardrooms, It's just that I'm sick of being the one who always says "Hey mate, don't show him your cards", or "Excuse me, but would you mind waiting until it's your turn before you walk away from the table?" "Please don't splash the pot" "Will one of you turn your cards over so that we can see who's won the hand..." Etc etc.

I find there's always a bossy one at the table as well.

[the mole]

Come on Casinos, get your act together. Players are doing as they please, & the game is descending into anarchy. We see appalling table behaviour, deliberate rule-breaking,  but nobody - nobody ever - gets Penalised in the UK.

It's becoming harder and harder for me to convince myself that it's worthwhile making the effort to go and play live.

Travelling expenses, poor quality food and service, loud music, badly thought out structures, inconsistent rulings, bad behaviour, deliberate rule breaking.. and now one of my favourite venues is dipping it's fingers into the prize pool...

DTD is about the only cardroom I can think of at the moment where these concerns are not an issue.

It's not even that I am making a conscious effort to stay away from other cardrooms, It's just that I'm sick of being the one who always says "Hey mate, don't show him your cards", or "Excuse me, but would you mind waiting until it's your turn before you walk away from the table?" "Please don't splash the pot" "Will one of you turn your cards over so that we can see who's won the hand..." Etc etc.

I just find it difficult to put myself through all that crap just to have a decent game of cards.

Got to agree with you here Tom, Playing live should be more a social thing and with all the crap going on it takes the pleasure away from it. If its purely about winning money then playing online is the best way to do it. I treat live play as fun ( no matter what the tourney) although i still aim to win . At the end of the day the GAME should be there to be enjoyed, so it's down to the casino's to make sure good order is retained.

[Redbull]

DTD tonight for the reinstated £100 freezeout Tony ?

I'll add some valuuuuuu tonight!

[jakally]

It's not even that I am making a conscious effort to stay away from other cardrooms, It's just that I'm sick of being the one who always says "Hey mate, don't show him your cards", or "Excuse me, but would you mind waiting until it's your turn before you walk away from the table?" "Please don't splash the pot" "Will one of you turn your cards over so that we can see who's won the hand..." Etc etc.

I just find it difficult to put myself through all that crap just to have a decent game of cards.

I can't understand why this is a big issue.
(TK also mentioned it).

[redsimon]

It's not even that I am making a conscious effort to stay away from other cardrooms, It's just that I'm sick of being the one who always says "Hey mate, don't show him your cards", or "Excuse me, but would you mind waiting until it's your turn before you walk away from the table?" "Please don't splash the pot" "Will one of you turn your cards over so that we can see who's won the hand..." Etc etc.

I just find it difficult to put myself through all that crap just to have a decent game of cards.

I can't understand why this is a big issue.
(TK also mentioned it).

I imagine because folding out of turn is bad etiquette and gives players free info

[RED-DOG]

It's not even that I am making a conscious effort to stay away from other cardrooms, It's just that I'm sick of being the one who always says "Hey mate, don't show him your cards", or "Excuse me, but would you mind waiting until it's your turn before you walk away from the table?" "Please don't splash the pot" "Will one of you turn your cards over so that we can see who's won the hand..." Etc etc.

I just find it difficult to put myself through all that crap just to have a decent game of cards.

I can't understand why this is a big issue.
(TK also mentioned it).

Because that player is letting the other players know that he intends to pass before it's his turn to act.


Imagine you raise on the steal, I'm thinking of calling/raising you, but I'm worried about what the player to my left is going to do. Then, before I have made my decision, the player I'm worrying about gets up and walks away...

[RED-DOG]

I can't understand why this is a big issue.
(TK also mentioned it).

Also, if you don't know why this is a big issue, it shows that the cardrooms where you have been playing haven't pulled you, or anyone else about it.


If acting in turn doesn't matter, why does the action move clockwise around the table, why doesn't everyone just call out what they want to do?

The next time we play, would you object to acting first every time, or would you rather wait and see what I was going to do sometimes?

[RED-DOG]

PS- That post is one of those that comes across a bit rude in a text format. No offence intended.

[jakally]

PS- That post is one of those that comes across a bit rude in a text format. No offence intended.

No offence taken.

I mostly play at DTD.
I have seen lots of people do this there, and AFAICR noone has been pulled up for it.

I avoid doing it personally, but that maybe as a result of people on here mentioning it.

IMO it is no worse than people who make it obvious they are going to fold, or people who are away from the table for the whole of the hand.

[RED-DOG]

PS- That post is one of those that comes across a bit rude in a text format. No offence intended.

No offence taken.

I mostly play at DTD.
I have seen lots of people do this there, and AFAICR noone has been pulled up for it.

I avoid doing it personally, but that maybe as a result of people on here mentioning it.

IMO it is no worse than people who make it obvious they are going to fold, or people who are away from the table for the whole of the hand.

I've seen several players pulled for it at DTD.

My ony DTD complaint is that the chef wont do me an extra fried egg even if I offer to pay for it.

[RichEO]

In APAT last weekend I was in the SB and the cutoff walked off as it was the break after the hand. I asked the dealer to tell him not to do it. When I came back after the break I was greeted by "I hear you asked for me to be told off", oh dear - I don't think it should have been ME specifically. Even after 5 minutes of explaining to him why he shouldn't fold out of turn it ended with, well we agree to disagree then. At least he was nice about being wrong, but it doesn't get my blind back

[scotty2hatty]

Played my first live tourn in months yesterday and was greeted by a new rule where in an all-in situation pre-flop the players don't need to turn their cards over. Was told this is UK-wide now, say it isn't so?!