Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[outragous76]

Any thoughts on the changes to the registration fees at DTD Tony?

It will reduce the Prize Pools, as the entry cost is lower.

it wont

[tikay]

Any thoughts on the changes to the registration fees at DTD Tony?

It will reduce the Prize Pools, as the entry cost is lower.

it wont

It won't? How so?

[outragous76]

Any thoughts on the changes to the registration fees at DTD Tony?

It will reduce the Prize Pools, as the entry cost is lower.

it wont

It won't? How so?

I think the psychology behind it for your average recreational player is huge, and therefore would anticipate more runners in most events.

Moreso thou, I also anticipate re-entry to be offered in more tournies moving forward, and because the rake isnt so visible (not a criticism, just observation) and two buy ins is a nice round number, people will be more inclined to re-enter, especially travelling players.

I genuinely think it will prove to be a master stroke, bigger prize funds (esp in bigger events), more rake paid per capita on ave (due to re-entry). My post itt was short and sweat, but i really think this is a super shrewd move

I guess the proof of the pudding and all that.................

[leethefish]

its missing the green stuff

and pickled onions and cheese .....sorry but that's a crap salad

[gatso]

I'm sort of ambivelant towards it really, Ralph.

you were massively against it when grosvenor started to do it, you even started a thread about it, why the change?

2) "Pot Raked at 10%" - does that mean they deduct 10% from the Prize Pool? Financially, that'd be like the difference in "Tax Paid" or not in Betting Shops until the Tax was abolished - i.e., not much difference, only winners pay really. But I hate the notion of Prize Pools being interfered with - that's the thin end of the wedge. I may be wrong, maybe it means something else, but if it means what I think it does, I shall resist strongly. Prize Pools must remain sacrosant. IMO, of course.

Let's hope I've got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm OK with £180 + 105, or even £20. I'm not OK with 10% lopped of the Prize Pool. Not at all. Where will that end?......

No, we  - sorry I - will never be happy if they start taking money out of the Prize Pool. It's so much harder for many folks to know what the % deduction is that way. It could be 10%, 12.5%, 15%, & many would never realise. Prize Pools are not there to be messed with, however pure the intention.

£180 + £20 is fine. (by me). 10% off the Prize Pool - anything off the Prize Pool - is not. I'd accept, if I had to, £180 +£25, £30, or £40. But nothing off the Prize Pool. Purlease!

[tikay]

its missing the green stuff

and pickled onions and cheese .....sorry but that's a crap salad

I don't really eat salad, Lee, never have, never will. I've lost 11lbs in less than a fortnight though, so I'm thrilled to bits with that, am way ahead of my schedule, = v happy.

[Karabiner]

its missing the salad

FYP

[pokerfan]

I'm sort of ambivelant towards it really, Ralph.

you were massively against it when grosvenor started to do it, you even started a thread about it, why the change?

2) "Pot Raked at 10%" - does that mean they deduct 10% from the Prize Pool? Financially, that'd be like the difference in "Tax Paid" or not in Betting Shops until the Tax was abolished - i.e., not much difference, only winners pay really. But I hate the notion of Prize Pools being interfered with - that's the thin end of the wedge. I may be wrong, maybe it means something else, but if it means what I think it does, I shall resist strongly. Prize Pools must remain sacrosant. IMO, of course.

Let's hope I've got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm OK with £180 + 105, or even £20. I'm not OK with 10% lopped of the Prize Pool. Not at all. Where will that end?......

No, we  - sorry I - will never be happy if they start taking money out of the Prize Pool. It's so much harder for many folks to know what the % deduction is that way. It could be 10%, 12.5%, 15%, & many would never realise. Prize Pools are not there to be messed with, however pure the intention.

£180 + £20 is fine. (by me). 10% off the Prize Pool - anything off the Prize Pool - is not. I'd accept, if I had to, £180 +£25, £30, or £40. But nothing off the Prize Pool. Purlease!

[tikay]

Gatters,

Don't really know, to be honest, maybe DTD presented it better, it just feels different to the way Grosvenor Walsall presented it, which seemed unclear.

Maybe I just changed my mind, which I would not be embarrassed about, tbh.

A whole lot of things in poker have changed massively in 4 years.

I have no issue with what DTD are doing, and as I said,  I'm ambivalent really.

Deep down, I still have a worry that card rooms will see it as the thin end of the wedge. I don't think DTD will.

I could, of course, just be biased towards DTD.

[MANTIS01]

The change does mean the majority of players, who are losers, will lose less in an individual event, but it does mean a drop in ROI for winning players. In pure poker terms it cannot be deemed a good thing but in business terms it makes sense. On this forum we see a lot of enthusiasm for challenging -EV spots and rightly so. That can be in the shape of an individual hand on pha board or when somebody offers 70:30 on the staking board. I see opinionated dudes jumping all over it. Here everybody is high-fiving.

[gatso]

it is different to the way walsall presented it for sure. they announced it as 'no reg fee' which was, as I said on that thread at the time, misleading at best

[tikay]

The change does mean the majority of players, who are losers, will lose less in an individual event, but it does mean a drop in ROI for winning players. In pure poker terms it cannot be deemed a good thing but in business terms it makes sense. On this forum we see a lot of enthusiasm for challenging -EV spots and rightly so. That can be in the shape of an individual hand on pha board or when somebody offers 70:30 on the staking board. I see opinionated dudes jumping all over it. Here everybody is high-fiving.

I really don't have a strong view on it, as I said. Times change, so do people. I would not even have commented had Ralphy boy not asked, thats how much it means to me these days.

Happy to go with the flow.

Good to chat last week, wish I was as thick-skinned as you!

[tikay]

it is different to the way walsall presented it for sure. they announced it as 'no reg fee' which was, as I said on that thread at the time, misleading at best

Possibly thats the answer, I don't know. I really think Walsall did not "present it" nearly as well. It was not, never, "no Reg Fee", & I don't thik DTD dressed it up as such. 

As you said at the time, it was misleading, or it seemed that way.

What is really interesting is to see how contrasting the fortunes of the two rooms have been in those 4 years. Walsall used to be THE place for Tourneys, now DTD are different class, totally different class.

Quite sad in some ways, but life moves on & all that.

Several things have dramatically changed the Live Poker landscape in the last 10 years. 

[tikay]

I'm sort of ambivelant towards it really, Ralph.

you were massively against it when grosvenor started to do it, you even started a thread about it, why the change?

2) "Pot Raked at 10%" - does that mean they deduct 10% from the Prize Pool? Financially, that'd be like the difference in "Tax Paid" or not in Betting Shops until the Tax was abolished - i.e., not much difference, only winners pay really. But I hate the notion of Prize Pools being interfered with - that's the thin end of the wedge. I may be wrong, maybe it means something else, but if it means what I think it does, I shall resist strongly. Prize Pools must remain sacrosant. IMO, of course.

Let's hope I've got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm OK with £180 + 105, or even £20. I'm not OK with 10% lopped of the Prize Pool. Not at all. Where will that end?......

No, we  - sorry I - will never be happy if they start taking money out of the Prize Pool. It's so much harder for many folks to know what the % deduction is that way. It could be 10%, 12.5%, 15%, & many would never realise. Prize Pools are not there to be messed with, however pure the intention.

£180 + £20 is fine. (by me). 10% off the Prize Pool - anything off the Prize Pool - is not. I'd accept, if I had to, £180 +£25, £30, or £40. But nothing off the Prize Pool. Purlease!

Is ther a question there, Mr fan, or were you simply echoing Lord Gatters?

[tikay]

its missing the green stuff

and pickled onions and cheese .....sorry but that's a crap salad

Might be crap to you, not to me though. One mans meat is another mans poison, & all that.

I have never eaten "green", never will, I just don't like it. I am - was - a big eater of cheese, I adore it, but I've given up cheese whilst dieting.

Very happy with the current diet though - lost 12lbs in less than 2 weeks, pretty thrilled with that, it's quite some way ahead of the target I set myself.