Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Djinn]

I would like to add to that that the make-up of the table might have more of an influence on you than your maths-of-bankroll thing - an 'easy' table when you are playing well and now have the extra advantage of a tidy stack is surely very hard to pass up.  One where you've won through donking excellent players might be one to leave.

PLUS

You are still correctly bankrolled for the size of the game you're playing.  That's the thing I was missing.

[snoopy1239]

I agree with Flushy, bankroll management isn't about fancy rules. Its about having a set amount and making sure you are rolled so that your risk of ruin is as small as possible, which depends on varience.

If you can't stand dropping more than 4 buyins in a night, you should not be playing in that game as pro player. You should have at least 20 buyins for a cash game in a roll and that is given you have a decent edge.

Hope this doesn't like a go, especially towards Chili but I don't think its helpful people telling her that this is good bankroll management.

In theory, you may well be right, Flushy too. But it's a psychological thing from someone who is learning the ropes at Cash-Game Strategy. Which was why I headed it "confidence is a weird thing", because, to us mere mortals, playing for what, to us, are sllly amounts of real money, the confidence thing does weird things to our heads. The theoretical thing aside, surely you can see that? That was the point of the Post.

As to her Roll, she's perfectly adequately funded for the cash game she plays, but she'd never bring 20 pull-ups with her in a million years, & nor should she, & I'd slap her if she did. In my opinion, that is.

I play in a £500 sit-down game, & I usually have a max of £2k with me. My Bankroll is just fine, but I am not prepared to risk more than £2k in any given night, I just ain't. And yes, I agree, that "by the book" that may be deemed daft, & non-optimal. But it won't ever change, & if I ever turn up at a £500 sit-down game with more than £2k, I'll have taken leave of my senses. I can afford it, but I just don't want to. With age, comes not only an appreciation of money, but the memory of how hard it is to earn, & how easy it is to lose a lot in a night of madness.

I gave up drinking because I hated the way I felt the next morning. Gambling for amounts beyond common-sense does the same thing to me the next day, if I lose. And I don't like that. At all.

Quite how "spin-up merchants" live with themselves is one of life's great mysteries to me.

What's your definition of a 'spin-up merchant'?

[Karabiner]

What's your definition of a 'spin-up merchant'?
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Taffy, or Ali "bag of bollox" possibly ?

[byronkincaid]

If £100 is the max (or standard) buyin, does the £300 put you way over the stacks of the other players?  If so then surely that is an advantageous position to be in

What is the advantage in having the big stack? Surely the advantage lies with the short stack.   

[boldie]

If £100 is the max (or standard) buyin, does the £300 put you way over the stacks of the other players?  If so then surely that is an advantageous position to be in

What is the advantage in having the big stack? Surely the advantage lies with the short stack.   

no,no,no,no

Advantage is with the big stack as he can bully. There is never any advantage in playing shortstacked at a cash table (although every shitty player on iPoker seems to think there is) short stacks can't take someone else's entire stack...that's where the advantage is.

[Bongo]

If £100 is the max (or standard) buyin, does the £300 put you way over the stacks of the other players?  If so then surely that is an advantageous position to be in

What is the advantage in having the big stack? Surely the advantage lies with the short stack.   

If you think that, why aren't you short stacking?

[Bongo]

If £100 is the max (or standard) buyin, does the £300 put you way over the stacks of the other players?  If so then surely that is an advantageous position to be in

What is the advantage in having the big stack? Surely the advantage lies with the short stack.   

no,no,no,no

Advantage is with the big stack as he can bully. There is never any advantage in playing shortstacked at a cash table (although every shitty player on iPoker seems to think there is) short stacks can't take someone else's entire stack...that's where the advantage is.

If you're not very good short stacking would tend to make your weaknesses less exploitable - e.g. poor play through the streets, over committing with one pair.

I don't think having a bigger stack than someone in a cash game means you have more ability to bully either.

[AndrewT]

If you have a bigger stack than the other guy in the hand then you can get maximum value for your big hands, whereas he won't get all your money if he has the monster.

[boldie]

If £100 is the max (or standard) buyin, does the £300 put you way over the stacks of the other players?  If so then surely that is an advantageous position to be in

What is the advantage in having the big stack? Surely the advantage lies with the short stack.   

no,no,no,no

Advantage is with the big stack as he can bully. There is never any advantage in playing shortstacked at a cash table (although every shitty player on iPoker seems to think there is) short stacks can't take someone else's entire stack...that's where the advantage is.

If you're not very good short stacking would tend to make your weaknesses less exploitable - e.g. poor play through the streets, over committing with one pair.

I don't think having a bigger stack than someone in a cash game means you have more ability to bully either.

I can put you to a realy desicion every hand..that gives me the power.

You won't get paid the maximum for any monster you have, this is why shortstacking costs you money.

You not being good is no excuse for making another big mistake.

[Bongo]

lol, go on then.

and some players could be +EV short stacking but -EV with a full stack, so for them short stacking isn't a mistake.

[byronkincaid]

It's weird how standard 2p2 mantra is short stacks in cash games have an advantage, the last two 2p2 NL books have both had sections saying LOL at people who think big stacks can bully short stacks and yet standard Blonde and Hendon Mob mantra is that Big Stacks have the advantage cos they can bully short stacks...

[boldie]

It's weird how standard 2p2 mantra is short stacks in cash games have an advantage, the last two 2p2 NL books have both had sections saying LOL at people who think big stacks can bully short stacks and yet standard Blonde and Hendon Mob mantra is that Big Stacks have the advantage cos they can bully short stacks...

ok..have those people sit at my table..happy to oblige. the only thing a shortstack takes away is money in implied odds...and that really is it.

[byronkincaid]

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[Bongo]

It's weird how standard 2p2 mantra is short stacks in cash games have an advantage, the last two 2p2 NL books have both had sections saying LOL at people who think big stacks can bully short stacks and yet standard Blonde and Hendon Mob mantra is that Big Stacks have the advantage cos they can bully short stacks...

I don't think you can bully short stacks... the amount of pressure you can apply to someone is determined by who has the smallest stack after all. I do think you can adapt and play them though, and you're playing against them as a short stack so it doesn't matter if you're a big stack or not - unless you don't change your play! I find they make decisions easier...

If you really think short stacks have that much of an advantage then why aren't you pulling up short?

[byronkincaid]

If you really think short stacks have that much of an advantage then why aren't you pulling up short?

I never said how much advantage they had, I guess a good SSer wins around 2 PTBB/100? Last month I did a bit of SS 16 tabling but my arm, wrist and hand have been hurting ever since and TBH I was permanently embarressed doing it. If car clampers made more money than you would you become one? I prefer to try to acheive 4 PTBB/100 8 tabling.