Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[RED-DOG]

Posted by: RED-DOG

Sometimes ones inbuilt sense of what is the right and honourable thing to do overides the rules as stated.

I think there's a subtle difference between honour in everyday life and honour at the poker table. Playing by the rules doesn't make you a bad person. I don't mind if I'm unforgiving at playing poker, I think this is how poker should be played.

Playing poker with charitable thoughts towards yor oppos really should be avoided imo. That isn't poker. It's a knitting circle.

I totally agree that playing by the rules doesn't make you a bad person. I'm not judging anyone here.

I'm simply saying that for me personally, doing what I think is the right thing is more important than playing optimum poker.

[gatso]

Tikay, ref: the all-in out of turn. if you play within the rules of the game and have dignity at the table then your etiquette cannot be questioned for a second. If the rules of the game state that you don't have to fall on your sword if you make a mistake here then you shouldn't. This is poker.

When you acted out of turn you made a mistake, but don't forget that your oppo missed the opportunity to capitalize on that mistake, like you're supposed to in poker. He blundered when he raised and so made a mistake himself.

Why should your mistake be punished when you're oppo gets away with his? The rules state that your mistake can be rectified. Lucky you. Simply adhere to the rules here and do so with honour and grace.

It is important you play like a gentleman.....but a ruthless one.

Sometimes ones inbuilt sense of what is the right and honourable thing to do overides the rules as stated.

IMHO of course.

nonsense, firstly assuming he has aces here his play is horrible. he knows that if he calls then Tikay's raise stands giving him a chance to repop if one of the original limpers calls Tikay.

secondly, both Tikay and the raiser should be aware that the raise changes the action and therefore gives TJ the option to pass as well as probably scaring the limpers out of the pot. while he may have done this with aces, who's to say it isn't a bluff? true it would've been a bad time to bluff as TJ didn't know his raise wouldn't stand but against anyone familiar with the rule it may well work. so why should you feel it's a good thing to overide the rules with an honourable action when you don't know where you stand in the hand anyway? not sure if that made sense or not

[RED-DOG]

Tikay, ref: the all-in out of turn. if you play within the rules of the game and have dignity at the table then your etiquette cannot be questioned for a second. If the rules of the game state that you don't have to fall on your sword if you make a mistake here then you shouldn't. This is poker.

When you acted out of turn you made a mistake, but don't forget that your oppo missed the opportunity to capitalize on that mistake, like you're supposed to in poker. He blundered when he raised and so made a mistake himself.

Why should your mistake be punished when you're oppo gets away with his? The rules state that your mistake can be rectified. Lucky you. Simply adhere to the rules here and do so with honour and grace.

It is important you play like a gentleman.....but a ruthless one.

Sometimes ones inbuilt sense of what is the right and honourable thing to do overides the rules as stated.

IMHO of course.

nonsense, firstly assuming he has aces here his play is horrible. he knows that if he calls then Tikay's raise stands giving him a chance to repop if one of the original limpers calls Tikay.

secondly, both Tikay and the raiser should be aware that the raise changes the action and therefore gives TJ the option to pass as well as probably scaring the limpers out of the pot. while he may have done this with aces, who's to say it isn't a bluff? true it would've been a bad time to bluff as TJ didn't know his raise wouldn't stand but against anyone familiar with the rule it may well work. so why should you feel it's a good thing to overide the rules with an honourable action when you don't know where you stand in the hand anyway? not sure if that made sense or not

But I didn't say it made sense. I said that for me personally, doing what I think is the right thing is more important than playing optimum poker.

FACT

[gatso]

But I didn't say it made sense. I said that for me personally, doing what I think is the right thing is more important than playing optimum poker.

FACT

lol, as long as it doesn't have to make sense then I won't try and make sense of it anymore.

I actually think the most interesting thing in this hand is that neither of the 2 players involved appear to know what is afaik an almost universal rule.

[RED-DOG]

lol, as long as it doesn't have to make sense then I won't try and make sense of it anymore.

Thank you.

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make though gatso.

Sometimes the right thing (For oddballs like me) isn't nececairily the most sensible or the most profitable.

[MANTIS01]

When you sit down to play poker why wouldn't playing optimally be considered the right thing to do? Poker is an unforgiving game so playing with forgiveness is contradicting it's spirit. Long term I would much prefer an oppo to teach me a hard lesson than to let me off when I've blundered.

[RED-DOG]

When you sit down to play poker why wouldn't playing optimally be considered the right thing to do? Poker is an unforgiving game so playing with forgiveness is contradicting it's spirit. Long term I would much prefer an oppo to teach me a hard lesson than to let me off when I've blundered.

Perhaps you really can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[MANTIS01]

Would you say a soldier who kills his enemy is guilty of murder?

[RED-DOG]

Would you say a soldier who kills his enemy is guilty of murder?

No.
I understand precisely where you are coming from and the point that you are trying to make Mantis.

I respect your right to see things that way and I wouldn't suggest for one moment that you are wrong.



The problem we have here is not that I don't understand and respect your point of view, it's that you don't understand and respect mine.

[MANTIS01]

Tom, offering substance as to why I think a certain way doesn't in any way suggest I neither understand nor respect your own point of view. I see and understand your take on this situation perfectly. Disagreement doesn't equate to disrespect imo.

[snoopy1239]

of course tikay

but it should still be possible to be as safe and clean.   and maybe even to timetables.  no??

The London Underground is incredibly safe, & it's very clean, especially given how modern day society discards litter & free newspapers everywhere.

Timetables. All Lines run "every x minutes", & the punctuality & reliability Rates are stunningly high. As with Weather Forecasts in non-temperate climates, Timetables are redundant on LU.

Not sure I can agree with that. Half the lines are closed when I go in and I've lost count of the number of times I've been on a train only for it to terminate before its destination. And what about the prices? Outrageous.

[RED-DOG]

Tom, offering substance as to why I think a certain way doesn't in any way suggest I neither understand nor respect your own point of view. I see and understand your take on this situation perfectly. Disagreement doesn't equate to disrespect imo.

Good point.

I thought you were making an argument for why I should think a certain way.

Carry on. 

[Grier78]

Would you say a soldier who kills his enemy is guilty of murder?

Sometimes yes, it depends on the situation. Thats why we have war crimes.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: RED-DOG

Carry on.

Thankyou. I will.

And another thing, I spend every waking day being nice to people, wishing them well, and doing the right thing. Poker is a welcome release from this, a time when your chief goal is to bugger people up. A time to stamp on the mistakes of the careless, when ordinarily you wouldn't. How satisfying. Your opps know the score when they sit down as well, and they want to bugger you up just as badly.

So, when playing poker, I think it is quite correct to use the rules in order to bugger said oppo, if he is a decent player he wouldn't expect anything less.

[nirvana]

Posted by: RED-DOG

Carry on.

Thankyou. I will.

So, when playing poker, I think it is quite correct to use the rules in order to bugger said oppo, if he is a decent player he wouldn't expect anything less.

As long as it's all friends in the sauna afterwards then I think this is fine