Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[the sicilian]

Yeah i like the pass after the missclick pre

That's about the sum of it.

He could have shoved pre, & maybe, just maybe, I'd have let go of TT, A-K, & possibly J-J.

It's not hard to see his thinking. It just went wrong on a weird flop.

You re-raise AK JJ TT to pass there?

Guy at APAT folded JJ tot he reshove..he had 3-1 his money

like i said like playing football against 5yr olds

Maybe.. but he goes onto finish 2nd for a nice payday instead of being out in 12th for nothing.... beauty of the game ...no optimum play.. if u got reshoved do you think JJ is in good shape?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

But, thinking about it, from personal experience.. I doubt TK would be r/r you with JJ pre here anyway.

[the sicilian]

But, thinking about it, from personal experience.. I doubt TK would be r/r you with JJ pre here anyway.

Like i Said ... I should have reshoved because of the oppo and he was O/P... he has to be massive and his not passing.. so the reshove is the play.. but hey im an amateur still learning..

[Royal Flush]

Yeah i like the pass after the missclick pre

That's about the sum of it.

He could have shoved pre, & maybe, just maybe, I'd have let go of TT, A-K, & possibly J-J.

It's not hard to see his thinking. It just went wrong on a weird flop.

You re-raise AK JJ TT to pass there?

Guy at APAT folded JJ tot he reshove..he had 3-1 his money

like i said like playing football against 5yr olds

Maybe.. but he goes onto finish 2nd for a nice payday instead of being out in 12th for nothing.... beauty of the game ...no optimum play.. if u got reshoved do you think JJ is in good shape?

Oh thats ok then why didn't you tell me he got 2nd.....

The point is why on earth would you ever get yourself into a spot where you 3 bet a good hand that will get you 3-1 to against a 4 bet shove and then fold? Its such bad play

[Longy]

Nice bluff Tikay.

[the sicilian]

Yeah i like the pass after the missclick pre

That's about the sum of it.

He could have shoved pre, & maybe, just maybe, I'd have let go of TT, A-K, & possibly J-J.

It's not hard to see his thinking. It just went wrong on a weird flop.

You re-raise AK JJ TT to pass there?

Guy at APAT folded JJ tot he reshove..he had 3-1 his money

like i said like playing football against 5yr olds

Maybe.. but he goes onto finish 2nd for a nice payday instead of being out in 12th for nothing.... beauty of the game ...no optimum play.. if u got reshoved do you think JJ is in good shape?

Oh thats ok then why didn't you tell me he got 2nd.....

The point is why on earth would you ever get yourself into a spot where you 3 bet a good hand that will get you 3-1 to against a 4 bet shove and then fold? Its such bad play

If your sure ur a 4-1 dog ?

[the sicilian]

Nice bluff Tikay.

Funny thing was...he thought he was winning and used confusion to force me to fold

[Royal Flush]

Yeah i like the pass after the missclick pre

That's about the sum of it.

He could have shoved pre, & maybe, just maybe, I'd have let go of TT, A-K, & possibly J-J.

It's not hard to see his thinking. It just went wrong on a weird flop.

You re-raise AK JJ TT to pass there?

Guy at APAT folded JJ tot he reshove..he had 3-1 his money

like i said like playing football against 5yr olds

Maybe.. but he goes onto finish 2nd for a nice payday instead of being out in 12th for nothing.... beauty of the game ...no optimum play.. if u got reshoved do you think JJ is in good shape?

Oh thats ok then why didn't you tell me he got 2nd.....

The point is why on earth would you ever get yourself into a spot where you 3 bet a good hand that will get you 3-1 to against a 4 bet shove and then fold? Its such bad play

If your sure ur a 4-1 dog ?

Did you turn your hand faceup?

[the sicilian]

at APAT ?  no... but told him at end of play as he was in agony whether to call

[Royal Flush]

at APAT ?  no... but told him at end of play as he was in agony whether to call

Then how does he know its 4-1?

[MANTIS01]

I find the problem with getting trappy with a hand like A-A is that when the heat comes you doubt yourself. Fair enough in a multiway limped pot, but in a raised HU pot you're winning the hand like 3/4 of the time. Sure there's going to be action, but that's because of the way you're playing the hand as much as anything else. If you're going to start putting your oppo on the broadway straight or a set just because he bets out then I wouldn't get trappy with the hand pre.

[ariston]

read the hand and the thoughts and I cant see how anyone can say it is a correct fold. If you are putting him on 5 hands I think you are vastly underestimating his range. He would not have led imo with the AK as you have correctly said but I doubt he would also lead with a set there- far more likely to go for the check raise option. By flatting his reraise pre I would say you have disguised your hand well so he has the right to believe his KK is still good. You've set your trap but if you are flatting with AA there I dont think there are any flops heads up you should be folding to a lead. Sometimes you have to just say ah **** it if hes got it hes got it and pay the man off.

I would have tikays range there as more likley to be  KK, AQs, QKs, 99 or even fresh air than the big hands you are giving him credit for.

[EvilPie]

read the hand and the thoughts and I cant see how anyone can say it is a correct fold. If you are putting him on 5 hands I think you are vastly underestimating his range. He would not have led imo with the AK as you have correctly said but I doubt he would also lead with a set there- far more likely to go for the check raise option. By flatting his reraise pre I would say you have disguised your hand well so he has the right to believe his KK is still good. You've set your trap but if you are flatting with AA there I dont think there are any flops heads up you should be folding to a lead. Sometimes you have to just say ah **** it if hes got it hes got it and pay the man off.

I would have tikays range there as more likley to be  KK, AQs, QKs, 99 or even fresh air than the big hands you are giving him credit for.

Most of the above makes sense apart from the range assigned at the end.

KK and AQ are the only possibilities from Tikay given the pre flop action. AQ is doubtful. I'd need to look back at starting stacks before being sure but I don't think they were particularly deep so AQ is more likely a shove pre.

I may be completely wrong with that shove bit. Like I say it depends on how deep they were but I can't remember which page that was on.

EDIT: Just checked and he is deep enough to raise here. AQ definitely in his range imo. None of the others though.

[relaedgc]

I'm so glad I don't play that much, at times.

[ariston]

read the hand and the thoughts and I cant see how anyone can say it is a correct fold. If you are putting him on 5 hands I think you are vastly underestimating his range. He would not have led imo with the AK as you have correctly said but I doubt he would also lead with a set there- far more likely to go for the check raise option. By flatting his reraise pre I would say you have disguised your hand well so he has the right to believe his KK is still good. You've set your trap but if you are flatting with AA there I dont think there are any flops heads up you should be folding to a lead. Sometimes you have to just say ah **** it if hes got it hes got it and pay the man off.

I would have tikays range there as more likley to be  KK, AQs, QKs, 99 or even fresh air than the big hands you are giving him credit for.

Most of the above makes sense apart from the range assigned at the end.

KK and AQ are the only possibilities from Tikay given the pre flop action. AQ is doubtful. I'd need to look back at starting stacks before being sure but I don't think they were particularly deep so AQ is more likely a shove pre.

I may be completely wrong with that shove bit. Like I say it depends on how deep they were but I can't remember which page that was on.

EDIT: Just checked and he is deep enough to raise here. AQ definitely in his range imo. None of the others though.

dont underestimate the old boy- he still has moves. He has been known to make the odd "miss read" when representing a hand. Would love to be able to say yeh of course he has KK- its the only hand he could play that way but thats very easy to say in hindsite. I still reckon AA is way ahead of his range even on that dangerous flop- so far ahead in fact I think its a huge -ev fold. Everyone who is encouraging such dasatrdly folds should be ashamed of themselves- its like patting the local fish on the back telling him he has done nothing wrong. AA is a snap call here and if you are beat then so be it. In the long run you are losing far too much tournament equity if you are folding AA here.