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« on: August 02, 2007, 11:14:08 PM »

- Me sitting in seat 1 with $394.00
- no 2 sitting in seat 2 with $719.91
- no 3 sitting in seat 3 with $503.60
- no 4 sitting in seat 4 with $375.80
- short stack vermin sitting in seat 5 with $40.00 [Dealer]
- no6 sitting in seat 6 with $418.42

no6 posted the small blind - $2.00
me posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to me:
no2 - bets $14.00
no3 called - $14.00
no4 folded
vermin folded
no6 called - $14.00
me raised - $64.00
no2 called - $64.00
no3 called - $64.00
no 6 called - $64.00

** Dealing the flop:
no6 checked
me bet - $128.00
no2 went all-in - $655.91
no3 went all-in - $439.60
no6 folded

hmmmmmm

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no 2 stats 16/12 multitabling

no3 37/16 but only 30 hands


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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2007, 12:08:23 AM »

I lay it down - but I'm a big wuss. 

It depends on how well you know the players I guess, but with two players in I'd be worried that I was behind to at least one of them (with maybe the other on a monster draw). 

Not sure that the short-stack vermin (LOL) should be checking after the flop without any cards though.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2007, 12:11:09 AM »

its a deffo lay down, the third bettor has to have huge kahuna's to bet in that spot without a 9 or 66.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2007, 02:30:28 AM »

DEFO call and hit a king tbh obv
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2007, 04:28:32 AM »

its a deffo lay down, the third bettor has to have huge kahuna's to bet in that spot without a 9 or 66.

no.2 most likely holding seems to me to be a straight/flush draw combination. If no.3 is clever and alert, he might realise this and think that pushing looks so huge here, you will fold your overpair, but there's still another person to act behind you who checked but is still active, therefore, it's a fold.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2007, 08:21:47 AM »

It's a fold for me but for slightly different reasons.

I reckon one of them must have an overpair (aces not ruled out) or a set and the other either has to have trips as well or  or a FD. If one of them indeed has aces or a 9 and the other has the FD one of your kings is no longer an out as the flush would be made.

It's a terrible terrible flop for you and therefore a fold, especially with no6 still to act. The guy can't have called 2 raises pre-flop with air.

It's a reluctant lay-down though and one easier made online than live.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2007, 09:08:33 AM »


I folded 1st allin (seat 2) had AA, 2nd had T9 diamonds.  What do you think of AA's play?  I suppose he thought that the other callers would fold pre. 

ps edited original post a bit.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2007, 09:14:00 AM »


I folded 1st allin (seat 2) had AA, 2nd had T9 diamonds.  What do you think of AA's play?  I suppose he thought that the other callers would fold pre. 

ps edited original post a bit.

i don't know how the table had been playing upto that point but I don't particularly like his (AA's) play preflop, it looks like this was a table that was flatcalling a lot (2 raises preflop with 9T?...yikes 67 suited I would have understood but 9T aren't the suited connectors I like to play and Lord knows what the other guy in seat 6 had..small pp?) and you don't want to play aces 4 handed. I would have reraised your pre-flop raise as you quite clearly had to have a big pair to reraise preflop and most likely would have called any re-raise anyways and hope to get HU with your self..(Or atleast make the others pay VERY heavily for seeing a flop)
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 05:09:16 PM »

easy fold imho.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2007, 12:10:59 AM »

its a deffo lay down, the third bettor has to have huge kahuna's to bet in that spot without a 9 or 66.

no.2 most likely holding seems to me to be a straight/flush draw combination. If no.3 is clever and alert, he might realise this and think that pushing looks so huge here, you will fold your overpair, but there's still another person to act behind you who checked but is still active, therefore, it's a fold.

but he is gonna push with what??

He aint pushing there with air is he, I understand the play you describe but how could that be the play here?
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2007, 01:11:08 AM »

I think the Kings are ahead.

Or at least I'm not sure enough that they're behind to fold...

Mid pairs might think that's a good enough flop to push and so do the draws. There are many more hands that they might have that you are beating than hands to which you are losing. For me the odds dictate a call.


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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2007, 02:00:35 AM »

Complete AUTO pass how can u not lay this down? If ur actually ahead of both hands it aint by much. Pass move on m8.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2007, 10:06:57 AM »

Complete AUTO pass how can u not lay this down? If ur actually ahead of both hands it aint by much. Pass move on m8.

As the pot is so big I have to be behind here over 90% of the time.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2007, 03:16:01 PM »

I honestly think the chances of you being ahead are <10% here.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2007, 04:47:41 PM »

i don't get your bet on the flop. if you're betting to check if you're ahead you have to fold now theyve both come over the top?!
or if you were betting weak to induce such action you have to call. so you should already know what you want to be doing here..

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