England/Croatia thread

[TightEnd]

Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's

Wow you must be on drugs or very drunk! 

nope, sadly!

[Pelham Boy]

i am surprised nobody has mentioned the goalkeeper tonight, i dont think he had any confidence
at all, in fact i think a lot of englands problems are the pressure the media puts on england,its hard for any of the players to be confident the riducle they receive in the media,  the defence was so poor because every game its a different defence ,no one knows who to cover when balls are played through ,this would happen to any team  with a different defence every week ,  only one man who can be blamed for that, McClarren,i know we have injurys but its still down to him , i wasnt a sven fan but i think it would of been a 0-0 draw tonight if he was still in charge, still think if beckham would of started from day 1 we would of qualified before tonights match

Beckhams cross tonight was absolutely amazing. Unbelievable cross, but apart from that he did NOTHING.

So that's one more thing than SWP did then.

[Nem]

i am surprised nobody has mentioned the goalkeeper tonight, i dont think he had any confidence
at all, in fact i think a lot of englands problems are the pressure the media puts on england,its hard for any of the players to be confident the riducle they receive in the media,  the defence was so poor because every game its a different defence ,no one knows who to cover when balls are played through ,this would happen to any team  with a different defence every week ,  only one man who can be blamed for that, McClarren,i know we have injurys but its still down to him , i wasnt a sven fan but i think it would of been a 0-0 draw tonight if he was still in charge, still think if beckham would of started from day 1 we would of qualified before tonights match

Beckhams cross tonight was absolutely amazing. Unbelievable cross, but apart from that he did NOTHING.

So that's one more thing than SWP did then.

Yep.  I cannot believe he never hit that shot first time.

[celtic]

Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's

Wow you must be on drugs or very drunk! 

in terms of quality richard is spot on.

[thetank]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

[TightEnd]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

Italy, Spain,. England, Germany...in that order from that group

[steeveg]

i am surprised nobody has mentioned the goalkeeper tonight, i dont think he had any confidence
at all, in fact i think a lot of englands problems are the pressure the media puts on england,its hard for any of the players to be confident the riducle they receive in the media,  the defence was so poor because every game its a different defence ,no one knows who to cover when balls are played through ,this would happen to any team  with a different defence every week ,  only one man who can be blamed for that, McClarren,i know we have injurys but its still down to him , i wasnt a sven fan but i think it would of been a 0-0 draw tonight if he was still in charge, still think if beckham would of started from day 1 we would of qualified before tonights match

i lost count of the times beckham was standing unmarked on the right wing ready to put a dangerous ball in, he cant do anything if he dosent get the ball.  gerrard could see this and was trying to feed him but over hit a few balls ,england could of been a lot more dangerous if he would of got the ball

Beckhams cross tonight was absolutely amazing. Unbelievable cross, but apart from that he did NOTHING.

[brad.strider]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

tank, put up 9 10 11 12ths from the final league positions from last season, that would give a fairer result, not enough games played yet, look at aberdeen up here!

[Nem]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

tank, put up 9 10 11 12ths from the final league positions from last season, that would give a fairer result, not enough games played yet, look at aberdeen up here!

Hello Sir!

[thetank]

You're right brad, but I can't be assed the now, bedtime.

Spent too much time tonight already with the WEPC table. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=29100.msg595724#msg595724

[brad.strider]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

tank, put up 9 10 11 12ths from the final league positions from last season, that would give a fairer result, not enough games played yet, look at aberdeen up here!

Hello Sir!

hello nem,good game for the neutrals tonight!

[Nem]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

tank, put up 9 10 11 12ths from the final league positions from last season, that would give a fairer result, not enough games played yet, look at aberdeen up here!

Hello Sir!

hello nem,good game for the neutrals tonight!

Totally pwned.

[brad.strider]

My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.

Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.

I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues

For shits and giggles, imagine a last 16 in a competition made up of the current holders of positons 9/10/11 and 12 in their respective leagues.

Aston Villa, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle

Mallorca, Sevilla, Getafe, Athletic Bilbao

Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Wolfsburg and Bochum

Napoli, Catania, AC Milan and Genoa CFC.


I think England's four would put on a better than average showing.

tank, put up 9 10 11 12ths from the final league positions from last season, that would give a fairer result, not enough games played yet, look at aberdeen up here!

Hello Sir!

hello nem,good game for the neutrals tonight!

Totally pwned.

lol never mind, as john motson said tonight, weve got the world cup qualyfing draw to look forward too!

[Longy]

If there ever was a blessing in disguise...this is it.

 The whole system is a shambles.

For us not to qualify saves us from the usual "England expects"..."This is the year" bull5hit. For a team of England's stature not to qualify, and teams like Russia and Croatia to get there ahead of us, means there is something inherently wrong with the system. McClaren is a complete <ock...but who appointed that yes-man?

The stuffy, stuck-in-a-time-warp, idiots at the FA.

I'm probably one of the most staunchly conservative, bring-back-the-establishment and pro-status quo person on here ...but even I think there needs to be a massive overhaul of the institution that has avoided appointing the likes of Brian Clough (because he WASN'T a yes-man and going for the manager who will shake things up, because they need yes-men to vindicate their 5hite decisions).

The squad of 2006-2008 has been one of the most talented on paper, but on paper only, since 1990 and yet we have still failed to get out of a group that consisted of a pub-team, three not-long independent developing nations, a war-torn country and a dictatorship with no football heritage since the days of USSR in the 1970s. We need a figure not unlike Peter Kenyon in charge of the national game's governing body, we need no separation between the FA and our top division, we need foreign quotas to stop us having to rely on just ONE star striker (Rooney), on just two class central defenders (Terry and Ferdinand) and second rate goalkeepers (Robinson, James and Carson) if players are injured and we need a top class(foreign or not...I don't give a rat's ar5e) manager.

For no British team to be in Austria/Switzerland is awful...but I wish we'd had the guts of the Scottish or the Northern Irish. Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's...best fans in the world? Croatia's supporters made more noise than we have in the entire campaign.
The English game is sick...it needs healing...and quick.

Wow it was going so well till you said this, i mean come on comparing the strength of the German league with the premiership, loooooooool. Imo the premiership is the 2nd best league quality wise to the Spanish who have a greater strengh in depth, you only have to look at Spainish performances in the UEFA cup in recent years.

As for Italy dear me our league is in damn good shape compared to them. There are issues with the premiership and the national team but it ain't the fact that the domestic game is weak.

[boldie]

I thought it'd be best for me not to post in this thread last night as surely the English guys must be a bit sore after seeing their team be such a disgrace.
the reason they had a team going out for a draw was because they, like myself, were expecting Croatia also to go for the draw. England didn't even have the intention to win the game.
McLaren got it wrong (as he so often did), the FA got it wrong by hiring him instead of  Sam Allardyce as they only want a "yes" man who picks players that are popular with the press and not a strong manager who picks his own team and can tell some of the overhyped and overpaid players to naff off.

As for the state of the pitch, doesn't Wembley have a roof?..Just a thought but I always considered closing it a good way to keep the rain out.

Ah well, atleast you're not going....Holland is going with a manager just as bad as McLaren and a team I can't support as they too can't be bothered putting in the effort..I don't know which is worse..at least now the people in England have a chance to fix what's wrong with English football (and no, it's not too many foreigner players..realy it isn't)..in Holland they won't and I'll be stuck with a Dutch National side that'll be shit for years