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« on: December 13, 2007, 04:15:05 PM »

$2-4 NL FR

MP $500 raises to $8 min raises with a wide range, Active post flop
CO $350 calls the $8 calling station

Hero Button $320 calls with , nitt-ish lol

blinds, $250 and $450 complete..bb is LAG

$40 in pot

Flop  two hearts

bb leads for $12

MP makes it $58

CO folds

standard line here is?

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 04:31:32 PM »

Serves you right for limping pre-flop instead of raising....you got (most of) the flop you wanted and, as far as I can see, still don't know where you are.

It's either fold or a raise for me!

If his range is as wide as you seem to indicate he could be on anything. Depends on your read of the villain...would he pot raise with a draw?

I'm scared money at these levels, but I'd be tempted to pop him here but, in truth, I'm more likely to give up on it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 04:33:19 PM »

Serves you right for limping pre-flop instead of raising....you got (most of) the flop you wanted and, as far as I can see, still don't know where you are.

It's either fold or a raise for me!

If his range is as wide as you seem to indicate he could be on anything. Depends on your read of the villain...would he pot raise with a draw?

I'm scared money at these levels, but I'd be tempted to pop him here but, in truth, I'm more likely to give up on it.

It was min raised before me pre-flop

you'd have re-raised and committed more with a marginal hand? or tired to hit a flop in position?
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 04:36:59 PM »

yay Tighty!..beautifull...a BB who is LAG MP re-raises and you with the FD..I want as many in as possible..so a flatcall for me thanks Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 04:37:46 PM »

Serves you right for limping pre-flop instead of raising....you got (most of) the flop you wanted and, as far as I can see, still don't know where you are.

It's either fold or a raise for me!

If his range is as wide as you seem to indicate he could be on anything. Depends on your read of the villain...would he pot raise with a draw?

I'm scared money at these levels, but I'd be tempted to pop him here but, in truth, I'm more likely to give up on it.

Flushy or Lloyd about?

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 04:39:07 PM »

oh, and wonder of wonders FOLD never entered my thinking!!
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 04:41:55 PM »

It was min raised before me pre-flop

you'd have re-raised and committed more with a marginal hand? or tired to hit a flop in position?

Note to self..Read More Carefully...(or get new glasses).

Rich...you are right, of course.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 04:49:12 PM »

yay Tighty!..beautifull...a BB who is LAG MP re-raises and you with the FD..I want as many in as possible..so a flatcall for me thanks Smiley

I can't see the BB flat calling in that situation, and I think you make the hand difficult to play when you miss...

I ship it in.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 05:03:52 PM »

I think you need a very good read on the bb to do anything but fold here. It's complicated slightly by your description of the two players involved, but I think there's a fairly big danger that the BB, if he's any good, has led with a set here, and that by flat calling you won't get to see the turn as he'll reraise. If he shoves and the MP calls with, say, an overpair, then it's quite likely that even in a 3-way pot you still don't have odds to call.

If BB calls and you hit on the turn then you might still not get any action as it's probably pretty obvious what you have, and obviously no-one has the Ah as backup. If you miss then the chances of you getting to see the river for cheap seem slim. If you hit your A you could find yourself in a tricky and expensive spot.

If you've seen BB make this sort of weak lead into several players with not much then I guess you can shove and hope to take it down or take your chances against MP. But if you're really just guessing what BB has then it's a fold for me.

(Seems to me it's not really true that you have position here, as you can't close the betting and therefore have little control over the size of the pot.)
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 05:08:29 PM »

Erm...has everyone forgotten the SB too!

That flop seems made for a SB/BB Special
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 05:14:00 PM »

ALL - IN.

- Play 100BBs;
- Raising to like 32 - 40 should be a genuine option preflop;
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 05:19:59 PM »

ALL - IN.

- Play 100BBs;
- Raising to like 32 - 40 should be a genuine option preflop;


a) I do, I'd just lost a hand before and not reloaded

b) 6 max yes, FR not sure
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 05:20:18 PM »

Serves you right for limping pre-flop instead of raising....you got (most of) the flop you wanted and, as far as I can see, still don't know where you are.

He knows exactly where he is, he is on the button with the nfd, if he had 'raised for information' earlier he would still be in the same situation. Hits heart, wins.
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 05:23:36 PM »

folding is much better then calling on the flop, anyone calling here should be shot. Given the nature of online full ring games, re-raising here preflop is most probably setting money on fire. I'd send it in coz its omg flushdraw, and u can probably get overpairs to fold.



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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 05:26:35 PM »

do you raise (say min raise) to try to get it multi way or ship it all in?
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