Nut Flush Draw and Position

[Bongo]

Oops, I missed it being full ring.

I think a minraise is horrible myself.

[GlasgowBandit]

What network is this on Tighty?

Generally I think I'd be flat calling but by doing so I think this is going to invite the BB to RR.  Ah feck it lets just pop it right now ALL-IN!
Lets get ready to reload when we miss our draw.

[TightEnd]

What network is this on Tighty?

Generally I think I'd be flat calling but by doing so I think this is going to invite the BB to RR.  Ah feck it lets just pop it right now ALL-IN!
Lets get ready to reload when we miss our draw.

its on Ipoker

[totalise]

do you raise (say min raise) to try to get it multi way or ship it all in?

I'd do all i can to represent a set, so whatever u do with a set in this spot, do that here.

[TightEnd]

As it happens I shipped it in

bb and sb fold

You are MP with 

call or fold?

Hero is 18/12ish that session from memory

[Royal Flush]

do you raise (say min raise) to try to get it multi way or ship it all in?

I'd do all i can to represent a set, so whatever u do with a set in this spot, do that here.

Other than call...

[totalise]

do you raise (say min raise) to try to get it multi way or ship it all in?

I'd do all i can to represent a set, so whatever u do with a set in this spot, do that here.

Other than call...

what clown calls with a set here

[Moskvich]

Surely you want them to fold, not get involved multi-way. In any case it's unlikely it would be multi-way, unless BB and MP are both terrible (or in the unlikely event that they've both got a set). I'm in a better mood than I was half an hour ago, with the BB a loose but relatively unknown player I think I'd shove, but I don't think there's much wrong with folding.

[GlasgowBandit]

I am passing the Kings here, wow!  not often I'd go with that line I think its an easy assumption to make that your on the nut draw and if he puts you on that then he has 12 cards to avoid to take down the pot, he may also have to think that with the texture of that flop its not impossible that you have hit a set and you want to try and force the draws out.

[TightEnd]

Kings are fave over the NFD though

you'd put a push here on NFD or a set?

[GlasgowBandit]

Kings are fave over the NFD though

you'd put a push here on NFD or a set?

Kings arent that great a favourite, Its not far off 50/50.  I certainly think on iPoker the push is deffo always a draw of some sort, based on the hands I play on there that seems to be the case more often than not. 

On that board I font think that a push with a set is the worse move, especially not if your putting the MP on a highet PP JJ + I think he is going to call the push once he has bet out.

its not beyond the realms of possibility that SB has come in with a suited 3 5 is it?  And he opens the betting to gather a bit of interest? 

I'm assuming though that after the push its folded round to MP with the KK.  And if he is the Calling Station you pointed him out to be he's not passing KK here in anycase. 

[AlexMartin]

as played easy fold.

[Smart Money]

Pre-flop is fine of course.

I would usually represent a set and raise enough on the flop to show I am committed to the pot. (Shoving it all in may look too much like a FD.)

MP's actions indicate that he has an overpair (as we now know) so we are likely not too far off 50/50 if we are called. Obviously BB could have hit a set but I think the aggression is worth the risk.

However, the other problem is that although a decent player will often fold KK (and lesser over pairs) in this spot (giving you a large amount of fold equity), most poor players won't- and the fact that he min-raised pre-flop indicates that he is a poor player. Against these type of players (who offer no FE) a more passive approach is often a better play to make. (Although saying that, I don't like calling in this example- but it is worth considering in other situations.)

If I was MP with the kings then my flop action (facing a raise) would be player dependent but at FR at these stakes, folding is the best choice long-term.

[Longy]

Calling here is just not an option imo, as you have to fold most turns. If you hit the heart it may well kill the action and you won't get paid.

Folding is a bit nitty but meh i think its an option if you have a read that either these players is likely to have a monster here and you fold equity is virtually nothing.

My preferrred option is shove the lot. Our hand has the most equity on the flop, we should have a great deal of fold equity and make the nuts by the river at least 25-30% of the time (assuming our opponents fill up when he hit occasionally). Also an ace is likely to be an out against an overpair.

It also is a nice mix up for your image showing that you are prepared to make plays with strong draws and not nit it out waiting for the stone cold lock before putting your stack in.

I fold kk against a player with your image here Tighty, which is why shoving is so +EV here.

[LuckyLloyd]

I'd shove your hand and get ready to reload, not minding to get called by KK because I have 12 outs.

I'd call your shove with KK and get ready to reload, not minding that I am never locked up because people generally overshove big combo draws or the nutflush draw here.

Hand is standard IMO. Well played.