that old smoking thing again PLEASE VOTE. It's be nice to get Circa 500 votes

[The Camel]

I voted for a ban.

But, if they aren't going to ban smoking, why not have smoking/non smoking tables at the start of a tournament?

Used to do this in Paris before they went totally non smoking for tournaments.

[Harry Demetriou]

I voted NO to this as it very much depends on the ventillation available in the room. The Bellagio poker room was never smokey as it had good ventillation and high ceilings and imo did not need to become non smoking but this would not and should apply to all cardrooms. (Please note I gave up smoking just under 3 yuears ago now).

As for the statement SMOKING KILLS well imo food kills far more people each and every year and depending on the criteria that you use alcohol doesn't do too badly in that department either.

I believe in freedoms for everyone and do not understand why smokers are persecuted in the way that they are in this society. Admittedly second hand / passive smoking is not good for you (even though this is scientifically still in some dispute) but I believe that there should be designated smoking and non smoking areas and reckon they should have smoking sections and compartments on trains planes and busses too.

[AdamM]

RED, since meeting you in the flesh your posts are even funnier because I can imagine your delivery.

Camel, I imagine thats a nightmare for TDs. I jokingly told the lad balancing tables last night not to send me any more smokers. Unless it's divided into two seperate poker rooms I dont see the point.

[AdamM]

come on Harry, who ever died from passive eating?

The Belagios ventalation system may be state of the art but it couldnt deal with the fog in Notts Galas card room.

[tikay]

In Amsterdam you can take your choice, they have "smoking" & "non-smoking" areas, & you can choose in which section you wish to sit before drawing your seat. Obviujsly, the later stages of all comps are non-smoking.

[The Camel]

What they used to do in Paris was have a bag with tickets for smoking tables, and one for non smoking tables. They broke the smoking tables first and if a smoker moved to a non smoking table he couldn't smoke. Simple as that.

I would far rather be on the other side of room to a smoker than have one either side of me.

[RED-DOG]

come on Harry, who ever died from passive eating?

I know of someone who was killed when a 34 stone bloke fell on him

[AdamM]

EASY EASY EASY EASY
YOU SHUT UP
EASY EASY EASY EASY

[Rod Paradise]

Sorry Rod, I don't personally think 'because better ventalation systems are available' type arguments are a GOOD reason to allow smoking. it's a poor compromise IMO

and no, you're posts aren't invisible. I always pay close attention to you r posts. I usually thoroughly enjoy them

Didn't mean that to read as pissed off as it did, sorry.

I've not got time to debate it now... BUT I've previously posted about a pub in Glasgow where they invested in a hi-tec ventilation system (it blows in air at bar level, extracts above) & the tested air quality in the pub (an old blokes pub with lots of smokers) was better than the non-smoking pub in Glasgow tested at.

If a premises can prove an adequate system, then why should they have to ban smoking?

Airplanes are the same - I was (and am) asthmatic & used to fly 4 times a year or so, I never had a problem with smoke even though it wasn't banned on the flights - but the ventilation was run at 100% (complete refresh of air every 1/2 hour AFAICR) - now they run it at 10%, everyone on the flights catches everyone else's cold, they've banned smoking & they say it's more healthy - but it's just CHEAPER.

I don't smoke (tobacco), will never start, but don't see bans as the best solution. It's happened in Ireland, and where the pubs near my brother's were never shut, they now are shut every afternoon except weekends, everyone complains about the farm workers smell, and the best conversations are outside in the smoker's shelter - so much so that non-smokers join their mates out in the shelter.

I'm off to the Celtic game, (via the pub) but will continue this tomorrow if you like.

Cheers,

Rod

[portfolio]

as a smoker,   NON-SMOKING is the only way ahead      ANYTHING that stops new blood from entering the fray makes no sense.

there are always breaks and allocated areas for us to indulge,and if u play in LA/LV/most big venues its just time to get used to it.

even in illegal underground clubs in NYC,u have to go to the ventilated smoking cubicles,which only adds to the surrealness of the whole poker scenario!!

ps    as a quid pro quo,can we ban ban i-pods and sunglasses too??

[AdamM]

Don't worry Rod, this argument usually goes on for weeks once it starts.

Portfolio, yes, Ipods and shades and hoodies and caps. actually I wouldn't ban them because I actually think they give the edge to the other guy. I do find it amusing that every week on beginners night new players turn up Ipods and shades and 2 or 3 weeks later largely speaking have shed them.

[Bongo]

It was bizarre last night. Walked from bar to card room to join the queue to draw seats. The card room at notts has a little downhill ramp that leads to the entrance. This smelt of smoke and was hazy  and the further down the ramp you got the worse it was.

This was before the comp started.

[divaflava]

"ps    as a quid pro quo,can we ban ban i-pods and sunglasses too??"

ker-rist yes.  

[RED-DOG]

According to the news, smoking is to be banned everywhere any road up

[Harry Demetriou]

come on Harry, who ever died from passive eating?

Apart from the 34st bloke who fell on someone and whom I didn't know about.............

My remark was directed at Nemesis who posted "Smoking Kills."

Like any statement life (and death) is never that simple.

Cars/Alcohol/Food all kill but you do not get them banned unilaterally.

People have a right to clean air but so too do smokers have rights who are addicted to a drug that the government (and tobacco industry) make billions from. They got people hooked and deserve support and help. Making them scurry off into a corner will certainly not help their addiction and restricting the places where they can smoke will most likely increase their consumption of cigarettes rather than decrease it.

The tobacco industry and governments knew for years that chemicals were placed in cigarettes to cause users to become addicted in the same way certain chemicals that are extremely harmful are added to foods to cause addiction to certain brands and products. Even worse is that these chemicals are being targeted at childrens foods and sweets.

I'm not sure but I think this all started years ago when pet food manufacturers decided to put things in cat and dog food (like barbiturates) to get pets addicted to sepcific brands (thats why they are so reluctant to eat rival brands when you buy them) so that you have to keep going back for the same brand again and again.

 It's all about making money and if you think this is all garbage just remember that in the early days of Coca-Cola you actually had cocaine in the drink but thankfully tthat has now been removed.

The basic idea is to get your customers addicted and keep them coming back for more as in that way you get to make more money.