that old smoking thing again PLEASE VOTE. It's be nice to get Circa 500 votes

[jammer]

My chest hurts, I went to the gym and was wheezing today.

Why? I played poker last night.

Does anyone have a reason why people should be able to smoke in a cardroom?

ok, totally playing devils advocate, given i voted for non-smoking (sick of clothes stinking after a gala night if nothing else)....

The card room is a smoking one, and noone forces you to play there.  What right does anyone have to tell the smokers who have been going to that card room for 20 years, which everyone knows is a smoking card room, that they shouldn't have it that way?

There's games in towns nearby and non-stop on the net. So if your chest hurts, etc, and you know you are killing yourself by smoking passively.... why do you go?

 

[Rod Paradise]

Having read through the whole thread again it seems clear that the people who play in Notts are the most militant on this - with good reason from the sounds of it. BUT that's one card-room. Why do you want to make a rule for everyone because of one room?

If I played in the Riverboat every night here in Glasgow I'd want smoking banned (or a proper extraction system fitted), that will improve a bit when they move the cardroom upstairs into a more open space. I play most in Cincinnati's - and with the very high ceiling the smoking isn't a problem unless you're beside someone & it's coming straight at you... but all the smokers I've been beside have been considerate about that as well.

I HATE the way we're becoming a 'Nanny State' where everything is legislated for 'our own good'. IF there's a particular problem, sort it - don't make a rule for everyone because one place is bad.

[DJKebab]

Rod, sorry but I strongly disagree with that. While Cincinnati's may have a very high ceiling, the smoking is still a problem. I am still forced to breathe it in when sitting at the table, even if it does eventually rise. And even with the most considerate smoker, you are still being subjected to the toxins, whether the smoke is breathed directly at you or not. The damning evidence is in the fact that when you get home after an evening playing, your clothes will REEK of smoke. If it can permeate clothes to such an extent then it is getting to your lungs as well.

[AdamM]

Harry, as instructed...You're a cynic.

IFM, ah I remember now, it was you who objected last time to this being a black and white issue. If you remember the poll last time was smokers pro ban / smokers anti ban / nonsmokers pro ban / nonsmokers anti ban. I maintain if you dont care you dont need an option, just dont vote. if you care enough to vote you care enough to have an opinion.

Jammer, I don't have the 'right' to tell smokers what to do. if there was a card room anywhere near as close I would be voting with my feet. as there isn't my only right is to voice my opinion to the powers that be and I'll be including the results of this poll in the letter because, as expected it's 80% in favour of a ban.

Eventually I'll be forced to make the decision, play poker at Notts gala and passively smoke a pack per session or walk away, unless the place bans smoking at the tables.

[Rod Paradise]

I maintain if you dont care you dont need an option, just dont vote. if you care enough to vote you care enough to have an opinion.

It's a sloppy poll then Adam... you can't then say X% of poker players want smoking banned, all you can say is X% of those who could be bothered voting want a ban. If you presented me with that poll I'd laugh at it because it's designed to get the result you want. There's 3 so far who feel there's a middle ground & you maintain we don't get a say, that's plainly wrong.

[AdamM]

ok, I give in
option added

[Rod Paradise]

ok, I give in
option added

I'd already voted no - out of badness 

[AdamM]

even with abstaners voting no it's overwhelming isnt it

[ifm]

By your own logic, if you don't like it don't go......problem solved........next!!
With regards to Notts, the place is booming, more and more each comp, comps selling out at 6.35pm for christ's sake!!
If you were the powers that be would you change anything??
Of course not, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Adam i understand your point of view, i have said many times on here that i dislike passive smoking (i even recommended a factory wide smoking ban where i work), but i strongly believe in freedom of choice.
Persecution is not too strong a word when it comes to smokers, especially with the lack of evidence to support the victimisation.
If there are 2 casino's in Britain that allow smoking in the card room then fine, there are hundreds that don't.....go to one of those.
It was also said on previous polls that unless you canvass every member of Notts it will have no relevence to your cause, how many members do they have? how many voted in your poll?
Ian

[AdamM]

I'm lobbying for change. to do that I don't have to canvas Notts members, I have to lend weight to my case. What I'm seeking to do is show the Gala management that for every smoker who'd leave due to a smoking ban there's be 4 non smokers or considerate smoker who'd step in there place. It's 26 mile to Nottingham and 100 to Walsall. for two or three trips a week, it's not an option. if (when ) another option becomes available in Nottingham of course I'll take it and the Gala chimneys can please themselves.

[ifm]

your poll would need to be area specific then, in fact it would need to be very specific.

"would any of you non smokers who live in and around Notts gala come to the casino at least 5 times a week if they banned smoking from the card room?"
Though i have to say that if you don't poll members of that casino there is little weight to any poll.
Have you approached the casino with regards to a comittee? many casino's are forming these to get feedback and implement popular changes, i believe all grosvenors are doing this (walsall has one).
As i said before the biggest obstacle in the path of your crusade is the popularity of the card room as it stands, hard to argue with that.

[Robert HM]

You could be "For", "Against", "Indiiferent" or "willing to seek middle ground or seek a solution", the latter is less dismissive then "Indifferent" or "Don't Care"

[AdamM]

I dont believe where smoking in confined public places there is a middle ground.

[Robert HM]

Is that a firmly held opinion? 

[jammer]

I dont believe where smoking in confined public places there is a middle ground.

the gala casino isn't a public place - its a private club (and a smoking one at that).

I'm not offering an opinion either way on that, just pointing out that if I owned the casino, and didn't want to change, well that would be a powerful argument that would come to mind.

However freedom of choice is all important imo. Roll on the day the gala has a bit of competition in nottingham.