Hand Advice please

[Royal Flush]

Yeah well there isn't always going to be a set sat there is there!! Even if there is you only get 1 small bet out of him. If i lead out and i can't see top pair folding, why is he in the pot if when he flops his top pair he is going to pass? I know you may well pass, but you wouldnt be in the pot in the first place!

I find if i check raise here i let players of the hook with weak hands, sure the strong hands, like a set will still pay me off, but 1 pair goes "oh he must have a hand, i pass" whereas if i lead out he has no idea how stong my hand is.!

[The Baron]

Very true, but 5 handed top pair isn't realistically going to pay anyone off that much anyway. I'd take his 1 small bet, hope something like a set or two pair is out there and not let a flush draw in cheaply.

Each to their own I guess.

[robyong]

Tight End,

I would have either :

1. lead out on the flop to disguise my hand and got all my chips in on flop

2. Check called and tried milked him whilst beig wary of the flush draw and set, and willing to pass the hand on the turn.

Either way, your're going bust with this hand if your opponnet plays well.

Expect to go but sometimes playing 85, but expect to win some monster pots aswell.

I tend to never enter an unraised pot in a NL comp as a rule, so I know that I am the only one with rags

[Royal Flush]

I tend to never enter an unraised pot in a NL comp as a rule, so I know that I am the only one with rags

Intresting idea.

[The Dundonian]

I'm sure you are ahead, would the guy bet 300 holding 8 10 ? Worst case scenario you are up against  . I'm all in ! (but then again I'm pretty shite..lol)

I wouldn't have bet out either, surely you are hoping for some action?

[Royal Flush]

Why do you all seem occupied with protecting your hand and worrying about being beat.

Get the maximum for your str8!!

[JP]

I agree with Flushy's line 100% bet the flop 250 in pot so i'd bet between 100 and 200. There are a lot of hands that people will call with here that they will not bet and they are probably drawing to split eg 88, A8s (not just diamonds) 78s, 98s, 10-9s etc will pay you off as well and all those kind of hands but they will more than likely check. Another point is there are a few cards that kill your action 10, 5, 8, diamond and a 9. Also, in a 5 way pot nobody is likely to bluff at it so i'd fear everyone checking and missing a perfect opportunity to double through or maybe triple up!! i would bet the flop probably 90-95% of the time as unraised pots are cagey sometimes. In a raised pot i might be tempted to check (and yes i might call a raise with 8-5!).

If I am going to check raise it will more than likely be all in with your chip stack.

Your play on the turn (assuming 2 people call)? Probably bet about 2/3rds of the pot or make a risky check if you think the player will bet if you show 'weakness'. In fact, I'd definitely be more willing to check the turn especially if a high card comes like a K or an Ace even more so in a head up pot and let them bluff into you.

[snoopy1239]

Right, I haven't read any of the other replies, so this is untainted snoopy advice you're receiving here. What an honour! 


From my experience, these sort of hands are just not worth the time and effort. Perhaps later on in the tournament you can play it more agressively, but here, with so little in the middle, I think it's unnecessary.

I'd just fold to his bet.

Firstly, you're drawing to a hand that may not even win you the pot. You could quite easily end up splitting even if you do hit your out.

Secondly, if you hit on the turn and are ahead, then you could still lose to a flush or full house draw.

Calling is definitely not an option in my opinion. His bet doesn't sound like much, but when you consider that it's almost 20% of your stack, the hand doesn't appear so alluring.

Also, being on the big blind puts you in a weak position. If you call and then miss, he's still probably going to shoot again. Therefore, it's likely that you've only got the turn to hit one of your cards.

If you bet the flop, and he calls, then you're in the same  predicament. If you bet and he raises a bit, you may be obliged to call, and then your chips are really dripping away unnecessarily.


Personally, I'd just chack fold and stay well away. IF this was a live comp, then perhaps things would be different. However, considering it's an online multi, I think you're better off waiting for a better opportunity and playing it aggressively. Someone at the table nearly always pays off your big hands, so just be patient rather than playing these marginal flops.

[snoopy1239]

Bloomin eck - I thought you had T5, not 85.

And all that advice too. grr. 

Yeah, stick ya chips in! 

[NoflopsHomer]

Bet the flop tbh. Five-way pot, someone has caught something, and if they haven't then you aren't going to win anything extra anyway.

[TightEnd]

Right, I haven't read any of the other replies, so this is untainted snoopy advice you're receiving here. What an honour! 


From my experience, these sort of hands are just not worth the time and effort. Perhaps later on in the tournament you can play it more agressively, but here, with so little in the middle, I think it's unnecessary.

I'd just fold to his bet.

Firstly, you're drawing to a hand that may not even win you the pot. You could quite easily end up splitting even if you do hit your out.

Secondly, if you hit on the turn and are ahead, then you could still lose to a flush or full house draw.

Calling is definitely not an option in my opinion. His bet doesn't sound like much, but when you consider that it's almost 20% of your stack, the hand doesn't appear so alluring.

Also, being on the big blind puts you in a weak position. If you call and then miss, he's still probably going to shoot again. Therefore, it's likely that you've only got the turn to hit one of your cards.

If you bet the flop, and he calls, then you're in the same  predicament. If you bet and he raises a bit, you may be obliged to call, and then your chips are really dripping away unnecessarily.


Personally, I'd just chack fold and stay well away. IF this was a live comp, then perhaps things would be different. However, considering it's an online multi, I think you're better off waiting for a better opportunity and playing it aggressively. Someone at the table nearly always pays off your big hands, so just be patient rather than playing these marginal flops.

plonker.

at least you realised it quick!

[Royal Flush]

Thing is it's still better advice than Tikay would give!!

[snoopy1239]

Okay. Let's try again.

Considering you've checked, I'd reraise, but not all-in.

(i) Make the flush draw pay to see his card, but make it alluring by not going all-in. You want a call. There's not much in the pot on the flop, so hope for a sloppy call and a double up.

(ii) If you call and the diamond arrives, you have no idea where you stand and would be betting blind into a pot that wasn't particularly big.

You position isn't as bad as people think. If you do decided to flat call, then you can trapcheck the turn and induce a bluff.

IMHO, I'd bet the flop. A small bet isn't a bad idea as it makes those with half a hand, such as top pair, consider raising, especially with all those draws on the flop.

Also, nobody will believe you have the str8. You will have disguised your hand and increased your chances of doubling up.

Homers point is worth a mention too. If they have anyhting worth playing, then they won't be frightened off by you flop bet. Let's not forget that this is an online multi. I always find that the most effective strategy is just to bet your good hands. Someone somehwere will always pay you off, and if they don't, then they probably weren't going to if you'd checked.

[JP]

PokerStars Game #2944925053: Tournament #14413799, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/11/01 - 04:23:38 (ET)
Table '14413799 49' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: zenodro11 (5971 in chips)
Seat 2: BigPun23 (1705 in chips)
Seat 4: JP 5-time (6772 in chips)
Seat 5: GILLABONG (1053 in chips)
Seat 6: g@v 999 (2029 in chips)
Seat 7: LegolasElf (4365 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: portabella (6903 in chips)
Seat 9: chief34 (5533 in chips)
BigPun23: posts small blind 75
JP 5-time: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JP 5-time [ ]
GILLABONG: folds
g@v 999: folds
LegolasElf: folds
portabella: folds
chief34: calls 150
zenodro11: folds
BigPun23: calls 75
JP 5-time: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
BigPun23: checks
JP 5-time: bets 225
chief34: folds
BigPun23: raises 375 to 600
JP 5-time: calls 375
*** TURN *** [ ] []
BigPun23: bets 955 and is all-in
Bad_Bully is connected
JP 5-time: calls 955
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BigPun23: shows [ ] (a pair of Fours)
JP 5-time: shows [ ] (a straight, Four to Eight)
BigPun23 is sitting out
JP 5-time collected 3560 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3560 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: zenodro11 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BigPun23 (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: JP 5-time (big blind) showed [ ] and won (3560) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 5: GILLABONG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: g@v 999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LegolasElf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: portabella folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chief34 folded on the Flop

[TightEnd]

blimey, textbook.

I see the betting out point JP. Mind you, your foe played it horribly.

p.s do you ever get outdrawn wonderboy?