Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[david3103]

Middle-aged and living in the East Midlands seems dangerous...

Glad I moved North

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7222825/East-Midlands-the-fattest-region-of-Britain.html

[StuartHopkin]

Sorry to hear your having a rough run at the mo Tom.
Just been having a little catch up and saw Cos mentioning me so read back a little.

I 100% believe you are more than capable of beating the games at DTD.
I have a habit of not thinking anyones that great! But honestly I think there is only one person who plays there at the moment who Im not happy to sit on a table with.

The standard is absolutely terrible, but you have to stop yourself getting caught up in the stupidity (not saying you are, but I find thats the biggest challenge, not getting drawn into the madness)

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Sorry to hear your having a rough run at the mo Tom.
Just been having a little catch up and saw Cos mentioning me so read back a little.

I 100% believe you are more than capable of beating the games at DTD.
I have a habit of not thinking anyones that great! But honestly I think there is only one person who plays there at the moment who Im not happy to sit on a table with.

The standard is absolutely terrible, but you have to stop yourself getting caught up in the stupidity (not saying you are, but I find thats the biggest challenge, not getting drawn into the madness)

Cheers Stu.

I think I can probably beat the game at DTD, but I'm not sure my bankroll is up to coping with the variance, having seen just how bad a bad run can be.

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Brits performance of the last 30 years went to Spice Girls for Wannabe/Who Do You Think You Are? (1997).


Pardon?

[EvilPie]

The variance problem comes with the gambling nature of many of the players on that game.

If you can stay clear of the hands which are going to degenerate in to a gamble fest then you'll be fine.

Next time you're playing why not just leave if there's a load of idiots playing silly gamble games? Either that or just really rock up and only play premiums and good hands in position.

When I say this I mean AQ, AK, JJ+ type hands from EP or MP + small pairs as set mining only and add suited broadways in LP only.

Or if you notice that a game has started to get really silly just leave it. I know there's a chance of a bink in these circumstances and you should want to stay but if your bankrol isn't up to it you can't. You're bankroll can't cope with high variance at the moment so stay away from high variance tables.

I had a similar problem with the DC game that I absolutely love. I've made a lot of money on occasions on that tables but also lost a lot. This was fine when my bankroll allowed it but the simple fact now is that it doesn't. It's a ridiculously high variance game and without an adequate roll it'll soon bust you complately.

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The variance problem comes with the gambling nature of many of the players on that game.

If you can stay clear of the hands which are going to degenerate in to a gamble fest then you'll be fine.

Next time you're playing why not just leave if there's a load of idiots playing silly gamble games? Either that or just really rock up and only play premiums and good hands in position.

When I say this I mean AQ, AK, JJ+ type hands from EP or MP + small pairs as set mining only and add suited broadways in LP only.

Or if you notice that a game has started to get really silly just leave it. I know there's a chance of a bink in these circumstances and you should want to stay but if your bankrol isn't up to it you can't. You're bankroll can't cope with high variance at the moment so stay away from high variance tables.

I had a similar problem with the DC game that I absolutely love. I've made a lot of money on occasions on that tables but also lost a lot. This was fine when my bankroll allowed it but the simple fact now is that it doesn't. It's a ridiculously high variance game and without an adequate roll it'll soon bust you complately.

The £1/2 game certainly plays bigger than the stakes suggest, people play very deep. It's not unusual to see £5-10k on the table.

[kinboshi]

Maybe a £1/2 game without a live straddle, or with a sit-down limit of £300 (or whatever amount) might bridge the gap between the 50p/£1 tables and the £1/2 tables at DTD?

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Maybe a £1/2 game without a live straddle, or with a sit-down limit of £300 (or whatever amount) might bridge the gap between the 50p/£1 tables and the £1/2 tables at DTD?

Yes. Definitely worth considering.

[EvilPie]

The variance problem comes with the gambling nature of many of the players on that game.

If you can stay clear of the hands which are going to degenerate in to a gamble fest then you'll be fine.

Next time you're playing why not just leave if there's a load of idiots playing silly gamble games? Either that or just really rock up and only play premiums and good hands in position.

When I say this I mean AQ, AK, JJ+ type hands from EP or MP + small pairs as set mining only and add suited broadways in LP only.

Or if you notice that a game has started to get really silly just leave it. I know there's a chance of a bink in these circumstances and you should want to stay but if your bankrol isn't up to it you can't. You're bankroll can't cope with high variance at the moment so stay away from high variance tables.

I had a similar problem with the DC game that I absolutely love. I've made a lot of money on occasions on that tables but also lost a lot. This was fine when my bankroll allowed it but the simple fact now is that it doesn't. It's a ridiculously high variance game and without an adequate roll it'll soon bust you complately.

The £1/2 game certainly plays bigger than the stakes suggest, people play very deep. It's not unusual to see £5-10k on the table.

In that case you should be staying away then Tom.

This is particularly true on days where every pot is straddled. You are effectively playing out of your bankroll.

Perhaps play 1/2 when it is normal then head for the .50/1 or a different 1/2 if it gets too big.

I know the temptation to stay is very high because you see all that money just waiting to be won but if the game is playing effectively as a 2/5 then you're under rolled and are just in there for the gamble.

That's not the way to play when it's your livelyhood.

I know you always sit full stacked and often 200 bb+ but if there's 10k at the table and people are straddling you aren't far from short stacking.

[EvilPie]

Maybe a £1/2 game without a live straddle, or with a sit-down limit of £300 (or whatever amount) might bridge the gap between the 50p/£1 tables and the £1/2 tables at DTD?

Yes. Definitely worth considering.

I mention it in my previous post but if you sit sit down with £300 at a 1/2 game which is regularly being straddled to 4 then you are short stacking. Actually you are mid stacking at 75bbs which is an awful stack to manage effectively.

There's no way to bridge the gap. Either play 1/2 or .50/1 full stacked or short stacked. Don't play 1/2/4 mid stacked imo.

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I know one player who does very well on the 50/£1 tables, but says he can't win on the £1/2 tables because he finds that people can push him off £400 + pots.

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Snow & rain here, just when I was going to go outside and do all my chores after a couple of days of idleness.

Ah well....

[GreekStein]

The variance problem comes with the gambling nature of many of the players on that game.

If you can stay clear of the hands which are going to degenerate in to a gamble fest then you'll be fine.

Next time you're playing why not just leave if there's a load of idiots playing silly gamble games? Either that or just really rock up and only play premiums and good hands in position.

When I say this I mean AQ, AK, JJ+ type hands from EP or MP + small pairs as set mining only and add suited broadways in LP only.

Or if you notice that a game has started to get really silly just leave it. I know there's a chance of a bink in these circumstances and you should want to stay but if your bankrol isn't up to it you can't. You're bankroll can't cope with high variance at the moment so stay away from high variance tables.

I had a similar problem with the DC game that I absolutely love. I've made a lot of money on occasions on that tables but also lost a lot. This was fine when my bankroll allowed it but the simple fact now is that it doesn't. It's a ridiculously high variance game and without an adequate roll it'll soon bust you complately.

The £1/2 game certainly plays bigger than the stakes suggest, people play very deep. It's not unusual to see £5-10k on the table.

In that case you should be staying away then Tom.

This is particularly true on days where every pot is straddled. You are effectively playing out of your bankroll.

Perhaps play 1/2 when it is normal then head for the .50/1 or a different 1/2 if it gets too big.

I know the temptation to stay is very high because you see all that money just waiting to be won but if the game is playing effectively as a 2/5 then you're under rolled and are just in there for the gamble.

That's not the way to play when it's your livelyhood.

I know you always sit full stacked and often 200 bb+ but if there's 10k at the table and people are straddling you aren't far from short stacking.

Not necessarily Matt...only if the straddle is mandatory. You're still sitting with the same amount you normally do, you just have to adjust your play and ranges.

Sometimes a £1/2/4 game can be particularly good value especially if you're not putting in the £4. People's ranges actually widen and I've seen some ridiculous spew which stems from that £4 in the middle. If you're prepared to just sit there and play a very tight game you'll only need to play about 3 pots over the course of an evening and you could still make a lot of money.

[EvilPie]

In that case you should be staying away then Tom.

This is particularly true on days where every pot is straddled. You are effectively playing out of your bankroll.

Perhaps play 1/2 when it is normal then head for the .50/1 or a different 1/2 if it gets too big.

I know the temptation to stay is very high because you see all that money just waiting to be won but if the game is playing effectively as a 2/5 then you're under rolled and are just in there for the gamble.

That's not the way to play when it's your livelyhood.

I know you always sit full stacked and often 200 bb+ but if there's 10k at the table and people are straddling you aren't far from short stacking.

Not necessarily Matt...only if the straddle is mandatory. You're still sitting with the same amount you normally do, you just have to adjust your play and ranges.

Sometimes a £1/2/4 game can be particularly good value especially if you're not putting in the £4. People's ranges actually widen and I've seen some ridiculous spew which stems from that £4 in the middle. If you're prepared to just sit there and play a very tight game you'll only need to play about 3 pots over the course of an evening and you could still make a lot of money.

This is the key. I've already mentioned tightening up and playing position more in these crazy games.

Yes people's ranges widen meaning there a chance of winning big but that's where the variance problem comes in. You may end up in a 5 way pot with £100 in the middle when you see a flop. Yo may have been ahead with your AQs pre flop. What do you do on the Q high board 5 way though? Do you go with it?

If your roll is adequate then of course but when someone shows willingness to invest a lot in to the pot you're going to be put to the test for a big chunk of your bankroll.

When you're playing off a restricted bankroll you don't want to be in a game with lots of people with wide ranges. You're just going to end up in huge multi way pots. Yes you'll win more then you lose but the variance is going to hit hard.

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In that case you should be staying away then Tom.

This is particularly true on days where every pot is straddled. You are effectively playing out of your bankroll.

Perhaps play 1/2 when it is normal then head for the .50/1 or a different 1/2 if it gets too big.

I know the temptation to stay is very high because you see all that money just waiting to be won but if the game is playing effectively as a 2/5 then you're under rolled and are just in there for the gamble.

That's not the way to play when it's your livelyhood.

I know you always sit full stacked and often 200 bb+ but if there's 10k at the table and people are straddling you aren't far from short stacking.

Not necessarily Matt...only if the straddle is mandatory. You're still sitting with the same amount you normally do, you just have to adjust your play and ranges.

Sometimes a £1/2/4 game can be particularly good value especially if you're not putting in the £4. People's ranges actually widen and I've seen some ridiculous spew which stems from that £4 in the middle. If you're prepared to just sit there and play a very tight game you'll only need to play about 3 pots over the course of an evening and you could still make a lot of money.

This is the key. I've already mentioned tightening up and playing position more in these crazy games.

Yes people's ranges widen meaning there a chance of winning big but that's where the variance problem comes in. You may end up in a 5 way pot with £100 in the middle when you see a flop. Yo may have been ahead with your AQs pre flop. What do you do on the Q high board 5 way though? Do you go with it?

If your roll is adequate then of course but when someone shows willingness to invest a lot in to the pot you're going to be put to the test for a big chunk of your bankroll.

When you're playing off a restricted bankroll you don't want to be in a game with lots of people with wide ranges. You're just going to end up in huge multi way pots. Yes you'll win more then you lose but the variance is going to hit hard.

Great post Matt, very insightful imo.