Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[AndrewT]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I think they mean proselytistic rather than religious. It's just that proselytising is something usually only associated with religious people.

[kinboshi]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I'd say it's a shorthand for the level of outward expression of their beliefs. Would you prefer obsessive or fanatical ? 

Obsessive is fine. Fanatical probably misses the mark as well imo.

[david3103]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I'd say it's a shorthand for the level of outward expression of their beliefs. Would you prefer obsessive or fanatical ? 

Obsessive is fine. Fanatical probably misses the mark as well imo.

obsessive it is then

[doubleup]

I'd accept being wrong for the joy of a deity lightning bolting them and a big voice saying 'BAD CALL'.

pretty sure if god exists he'll use his bolts on the ones who worship cows or say that he told them to cut off bits of their dicks rather than the ones that use the brain he gave them.

[kinboshi]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I think they mean proselytistic rather than religious. It's just that proselytising is something usually only associated with religious people.

But surely that's part of their jobs/vocations?  No one seems to criticise priests, bishops, preachers, etc., for proselytising?

[kinboshi]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I'd say it's a shorthand for the level of outward expression of their beliefs. Would you prefer obsessive or fanatical ? 

Obsessive is fine. Fanatical probably misses the mark as well imo.

obsessive it is then

I'd also stress that 'beliefs' is probably the wrong term too

[Rod Paradise]

I'd accept being wrong for the joy of a deity lightning bolting them and a big voice saying 'BAD CALL'.

pretty sure if god exists he'll use his bolts on the ones who worship cows or say that he told them to cut off bits of their dicks rather than the ones that use the brain he gave them.

Hmmm.... or those who go to war to spread their religion? I'd think very little of a God who was more concerned about worshiping cows or circumcision tbh. Hinduism & Judaism are 2 of the less objectionable religions IMO. (Drawing a distinction between Judaism and Zionism obv.)

[Rod Paradise]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I'd say it's a shorthand for the level of outward expression of their beliefs. Would you prefer obsessive or fanatical ? 

Obsessive is fine. Fanatical probably misses the mark as well imo.

obsessive it is then

I'd also stress that 'beliefs' is probably the wrong term too

Obsessive doesn't cover it - I meant they encapsulate some of the worst of religious fervor in their insistance on disparaging anything associated with religion.

I'd also stress that beliefs IS the right term, just they've more evidence behind theirs.

[kinboshi]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I'd say it's a shorthand for the level of outward expression of their beliefs. Would you prefer obsessive or fanatical ? 

Obsessive is fine. Fanatical probably misses the mark as well imo.

obsessive it is then

I'd also stress that 'beliefs' is probably the wrong term too

Obsessive doesn't cover it - I meant they encapsulate some of the worst of religious fervor in their insistance on disparaging anything associated with religion.

I'd also stress that beliefs IS the right term, just they've more evidence behind theirs.

They don't remand anyone does anything though?  They're merely voicing their opinions, as others are allowed to.  Religious includes the 'privilege' of religion.

I think beliefs is the wrong word, because different meanings of the word will be confused, the same way as 'theory' is misrepresented quite often when referring to scientific theories.

[kinboshi]

I like Lord Justice Sedley's quote:

"Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having."

[Woodsey]

  Back to skid marks please  

[RED-DOG]

Back to skid marks please  

Suggested reading.


http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Growing_Up_with_Skid_Marks.html?id=3CfrF-t4CK0C&redir_esc=y

[kinboshi]

This is probably a good resource too:

http://www.poopreport.com/

[SuuPRlim]

yes monkeys!

finally something I know about

ooohh ahhh ohhh ahhhh ahhhh ooohhh ahhhh

You've adapted well to the dynamic of this Diary, Dave, as a good poker player would adapt to his Table.

gotta adapt all the time

[Rod Paradise]

Can someone detail why Dawkins and Minchin (and me apparently) are 'religious' with our views?

Isn't religion, and being religious, "reverence towards god(s)", where the central dictum is faith? 

I'd say it's a shorthand for the level of outward expression of their beliefs. Would you prefer obsessive or fanatical ? 

Obsessive is fine. Fanatical probably misses the mark as well imo.

obsessive it is then

I'd also stress that 'beliefs' is probably the wrong term too

Obsessive doesn't cover it - I meant they encapsulate some of the worst of religious fervor in their insistance on disparaging anything associated with religion.

I'd also stress that beliefs IS the right term, just they've more evidence behind theirs.

They don't remand anyone does anything though?  They're merely voicing their opinions, as others are allowed to.  Religious includes the 'privilege' of religion.

I think beliefs is the wrong word, because different meanings of the word will be confused, the same way as 'theory' is misrepresented quite often when referring to scientific theories.

Yes, they do. They demand that people agree with them. They use cruel ignorant arguments to do it as well. There is NO purpose in telling people who find help/solace in religion that they are 'sucking on dummies' it doesn't advance their argument, it just demeans it. Again, as I said they encapsulate the worst of religious fervor.

I'd also ask what word you'd use instead of beliefs?